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[jules_vern18]

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So apparently Full Reaper Control does not equal Indoctrination. That's just plain silly. How else do Reapers assume direct control?

I guess the Devil was "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL" of those Collectors and was calling himself Harbinger. Silly me, thinking the Reapers could do that...

We know from the lore that indoctrination takes a long time and does not occur instantly.  Harbringer is able to take control of individual collectors immediately.

Moreover, the collectors were made specifically for the reapers' uses.  Otherwise Harbringer would have just "assumed direct control" over you and each of your squadmates until you all just killed each other off.

Come on, guys...

The implementation of Reaper Tech is what made the "total control" of the Collectors and Saren possible (and I would argue, is the Reason why the Reapers are capable of controlling TIM in the end - his indoctrination did not occur when he first encountered the Reaper Artifact on Shanxi, but rather when he chose to implant himself with Reaper Tech).

If we are arguing this from the IT point of view, the entire ending is Shepard resisting the attempt to indoctrinate.  All the Reapers need is for him to make the conscious (or subconscious) decision to allow the Reapers into his mind. (I like here that one of TIM's lines is "I need you to believe!").  This does not mean that the Reapers are now capable of controlling Shepards' body, but he/she will now no longer be able to resist the suggestions that they make.

I see.  And where exactly in the lore does it say that Indoctrination induces hallucinations?

Directly in the codex for Indoctrination

Sorry, gonna have to get a link or a screencap, because I don't remember that at all. 

Even if it were the case, I still don't believe that Bioware has just been sitting on it this whole time and has chosen not to release it despite the downpour of negative backlash.  Even if your theory made sense thematically (it doesn't), it definitely doesn't make sense strategically on Bioware's part.

If IT were true, we would have heard about it by now.

That being said, I'd like to extend a single question to all the straw-graspers out there...if the EC comes out and presents the endings at face value without confirming IT, will you finally concede that it was just an elaborate coping mechanism for a poorly-written ending?  Or will you insist that IT is still true and that Bioware will be confirming it with their next DLC?  I'm honestly curious and have not been able to get an answer out of IT cultists anywhere I've asked.

tl;dr: If EC comes out and does not reveal IT to be true, what comes next?

Did you not read my post in the last page?
I'll post it agein...
http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.  

Ok, good - let's break this down.

1.  They complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears.  When has Shepard ever complained about either of these symptoms?

2.  Has Shepard ever expressed to anyone - in the entire trilogy - that he feels like he's being watched?

3.  Hallucinations of "ghostly presences" =\\= hallucinations of intricate, highly-detailed conversations, followed by intricate set-pieces, space battles, the normandy crashing on an unknown planet, and a galaxy-wide event.

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I been asking this alot . Please tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD?

He is. That's all there is to it! But obviously, this answer doesn't fit IT, so it must be wrong.

How does it not fit IT? If IT is true and Shepard is being controled with indoctrintation...It fits nicely.
So....
tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD?  

[CavScout]

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

If you are talking about the literal interpretation of the ending in which they both lose control, you have to remember that the Reapers do not have control over them, TIM does.

The only instance of the game in which the Reapers take control of an individual's movements through another individual is with the Collector General and the Collecters, and it was done through the use of Reaper Implants. In fact, the only time we ever see the Reapers controlling the direct movements of an individual are with the use of Implants (Saren is the only other example I can think of).

As far as I know from a literal interpretation of the game, neither Shepard nor Anderson are implanted with Reaper Tech, which makes this theory moot.

I don't believe TIM has out advanced the Reapers.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

classic, using out of context staements, you  don't understand that by that he means indoctrination is reaper control.

IT's description of TIM confrontation refers to assets seen often in game when Shepard is close to death (and he is!), when biotics are used, etc. Nothing points to "Reapers" controlling Shepard more than "TIM" could be.

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

What scene? Where shepard was being indoctrinated? Towards the end right?

The one where he is under full control.... I don't believe it to be Indocrination.

Uhm, that scene was dropped remember?

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

No, I'm claiming that the scene prove Shepard is in the process of indoctrination....

You have to presume indocrination first.

[balance5050]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

classic, using out of context staements, you  don't understand that by that he means indoctrination is reaper control.

IT's description of TIM confrontation refers to assets seen often in game when Shepard is close to death (and he is!), when biotics are used, etc. Nothing points to "Reapers" controlling Shepard more than "TIM" could be.

Nope. TIM isn't a biotic.

[dreman9999]

jules_vern18 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So apparently Full Reaper Control does not equal Indoctrination. That's just plain silly. How else do Reapers assume direct control?

I guess the Devil was "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL" of those Collectors and was calling himself Harbinger. Silly me, thinking the Reapers could do that...

We know from the lore that indoctrination takes a long time and does not occur instantly.  Harbringer is able to take control of individual collectors immediately.

Moreover, the collectors were made specifically for the reapers' uses.  Otherwise Harbringer would have just "assumed direct control" over you and each of your squadmates until you all just killed each other off.

Come on, guys...

The implementation of Reaper Tech is what made the "total control" of the Collectors and Saren possible (and I would argue, is the Reason why the Reapers are capable of controlling TIM in the end - his indoctrination did not occur when he first encountered the Reaper Artifact on Shanxi, but rather when he chose to implant himself with Reaper Tech).

If we are arguing this from the IT point of view, the entire ending is Shepard resisting the attempt to indoctrinate.  All the Reapers need is for him to make the conscious (or subconscious) decision to allow the Reapers into his mind. (I like here that one of TIM's lines is "I need you to believe!").  This does not mean that the Reapers are now capable of controlling Shepards' body, but he/she will now no longer be able to resist the suggestions that they make.

I see.  And where exactly in the lore does it say that Indoctrination induces hallucinations?

Directly in the codex for Indoctrination

Sorry, gonna have to get a link or a screencap, because I don't remember that at all. 

Even if it were the case, I still don't believe that Bioware has just been sitting on it this whole time and has chosen not to release it despite the downpour of negative backlash.  Even if your theory made sense thematically (it doesn't), it definitely doesn't make sense strategically on Bioware's part.

If IT were true, we would have heard about it by now.

That being said, I'd like to extend a single question to all the straw-graspers out there...if the EC comes out and presents the endings at face value without confirming IT, will you finally concede that it was just an elaborate coping mechanism for a poorly-written ending?  Or will you insist that IT is still true and that Bioware will be confirming it with their next DLC?  I'm honestly curious and have not been able to get an answer out of IT cultists anywhere I've asked.

tl;dr: If EC comes out and does not reveal IT to be true, what comes next?

Did you not read my post in the last page?
I'll post it agein...
http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.  

Ok, good - let's break this down.

1.  They complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears.  When has Shepard ever complained about either of these symptoms?

2.  Has Shepard ever expressed to anyone - in the entire trilogy - that he feels like he's being watched?

3.  Hallucinations of "ghostly presences" == hallucinations of intricate, highly-detailed conversations, followed by intricate set-pieces, space battles, the normandy crashing on an unknown planet, and a galaxy-wide event.

1.
 
2.This is a last stage sign.
3. The kid in the fall of earth.

[Iconoclaste]

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I been asking this alot . Please tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD?

He is. That's all there is to it! But obviously, this answer doesn't fit IT, so it must be wrong.

How does it not fit IT? If IT is true and Shepard is being controled with indoctrintation...It fits nicely.
So....
tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD? 

Read the thread!

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote..."If a cigar is just a cigar...it still points to IT"

That quote is the single most defining statement about IT and IT fanatics that I have ever heard.  Perfect.

I been asking this alot . Please tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD?

Why does it have to be explained? It simply is.

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

No, I'm claiming that the scene prove Shepard is in the process of indoctrination....

You have to presume indocrination first.

This scene....

[balance5050]

Keep it on the front!

"Understanding the fundamental of I.T." FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

What scene? Where shepard was being indoctrinated? Towards the end right?

The one where he is under full control.... I don't believe it to be Indocrination.

Uhm, that scene was dropped remember?

The one in the game wasn't.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

classic, using out of context staements, you  don't understand that by that he means indoctrination is reaper control.

IT's description of TIM confrontation refers to assets seen often in game when Shepard is close to death (and he is!), when biotics are used, etc. Nothing points to "Reapers" controlling Shepard more than "TIM" could be.

Nope. TIM isn't a biotic.

This has been discussed yesterday on another thread, and you got your explanation. We are shown in game, very clearly, that TIM as a "biotic-like" glow around his fist, and that he makes Shepard move against his will.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 13 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

What scene? Where shepard was being indoctrinated? Towards the end right?

The one where he is under full control.... I don't believe it to be Indocrination.

Uhm, that scene was dropped remember?

The one in the game wasn't.

Sigh... so you're saying the scene where Shepard falls under full reaper control IS in the game?

Read that to yourself and make sure you understand my question and what you said.

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

No, I'm claiming that the scene prove Shepard is in the process of indoctrination....

You have to presume indocrination first.

This scene....

What is your point? As a follower of IT, you don't think the scene is real.

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I been asking this alot . Please tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD?

He is. That's all there is to it! But obviously, this answer doesn't fit IT, so it must be wrong.

How does it not fit IT? If IT is true and Shepard is being controled with indoctrintation...It fits nicely.
So....
tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD? 

Read the thread!

It did....The topic support this. If it's a dream, it's really a reaper doing all this.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

Sigh... so you're saying the scene where Shepard falls under full reaper control IS in the game?

Read that to yourself and make sure you understand my question and what you said.

He didn't write the word "Reaper". You did. Are you finished with your moronic tactics?

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

No, I'm claiming that the scene prove Shepard is in the process of indoctrination....

You have to presume indocrination first.

This scene....

What is your point? As a follower of IT, you don't think the scene is real.

Fun fact...There 3 theories for IT. 

[Sisterofshane]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

The implementation of Reaper Tech is what made the "total control" of the Collectors and Saren possible (and I would argue, is the Reason why the Reapers are capable of controlling TIM in the end - his indoctrination did not occur when he first encountered the Reaper Artifact on Shanxi, but rather when he chose to implant himself with Reaper Tech).

If we are arguing this from the IT point of view, the entire ending is Shepard resisting the attempt to indoctrinate.  All the Reapers need is for him to make the conscious (or subconscious) decision to allow the Reapers into his mind. (I like here that one of TIM's lines is "I need you to believe!").  This does not mean that the Reapers are now capable of controlling Shepards' body, but he/she will now no longer be able to resist the suggestions that they make.

Well, that's what Shepard has been doing with TIM all the way. TIM didn't wait until the end to try to convince Shepard, and Shepard was never "immune" to suggestions from TIM. He's still arguing in the end, and from what we saw happened to him, he's suffering enough to be a weak prey, but still he resists. That "full Reaper control" theme cannot be proved to show "indoctrination", at most it can show an "attempt", but as soon as TIM dies, IT also dies in its present formulation. Where are the "Reapers" controlling Shepard at that moment? And before someone answers "he's still dreaming", then why did the Catalyts bring him up the elevator, to ultimately give a dumb hint about the "destroy" possibility? This cannot be the "Shepard is resisting" proposition, since he never before set foot on this platform and doesn't even know if anything can be done against the Reapers at that moment. If the Catalyst had "Reaper interest above all", he could have simply let Shepard bleed to death, or dream without any clue, or dream of darkness instead of risking to wake him up, etc.

The problem with your argument is that it assumes that, within the "dream", that TIM is still actually real, and is performing real world actions.  In IT, TIM appears as a metaphorical representation of the Reapers attempting to break Shepard's will (which is Represented by Anderson).  Therefore, TIM shooting himself in the head is the failure of the Reaper attempt to break Shepard (by allowing him to Kill Anderson).

Anderson is not automatically killed in some dialogue choices (and paragon / renegade scores). But that still doesn't explain the 2nd part of my post : if indoctrination failed at that point, why did the Catalyst bring him over and offer him choices?

The other ways in which the scene are handled can be metaphorical as well.  For example, if you allow TIM to shoot Anderson but fail to take the interrupt, TIM shoots you and you are given a very special "critical mission failure" scene.  This could mean that your mind "gave up" - you allowed the Reapers (rep. by TIM) to win you over.  If you take the interrupt, it could just mean that your strength allowed you to prevail, despite failing to logically evade the Reapers hostile takeover (by persuading TIM to kill himself).

As to why you are given the magic elevator ride, it's simple.  The Reapers still need time - either to indoctrinate you or to kill you. If they gave up after the hallucination of TIM failed, wouldn't you just wake up in the London rubble right there, and be capable of continuing your task unhindered?  It would be much better (simpler) to keep your number one enemy under your "illusion".

I like to think of it as the last "push" - they failed to convince your "mind" that your task was complete.  Hence why "Hackett" (who represents your goal, to stop the reapers) radios Shepard to tell him the Crucible isn't working, and that there must be something else that needs to be done.  So the Reapers give you exactly what you want, what your mind won't forget - an ending to cycle.

This is where I split ways with IT.  If it is metaphorical, the attempt to indoctrinate ended with TIM's death.  I believe that end is trying to convince Shepard (in a round about way) to give up and die, and they figure the only way to get him to do this is to offer him the "end" he has always expected.  The reason why he "wakes up" in the destroy ending is, because with the High EMS Shepard does not die once the illusion is complete - the only option at the end of the dream is to then "wake up".

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Anderson and Shep.

Hears the general problem of your commet...It's iganoring everything in the lore.

Are you claiming the scene didn't happen? I mean, you might as well argue that a Constitutional Amendment is Un-Constiutional....

What scene? Where shepard was being indoctrinated? Towards the end right?

The one where he is under full control.... I don't believe it to be Indocrination.

Uhm, that scene was dropped remember?

The one in the game wasn't.

Sigh... so you're saying the scene where Shepard falls under full reaper control IS in the game?

Read that to yourself and make sure you understand my question and what you said.

He is under TIMs full control. I've clearly stated I don't think it is indocrination. It, IMO, is something TIM learned from the study of reapers. Keep trying the silly 6th grade debate team tactics if you must.

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

classic, using out of context staements, you  don't understand that by that he means indoctrination is reaper control.

IT's description of TIM confrontation refers to assets seen often in game when Shepard is close to death (and he is!), when biotics are used, etc. Nothing points to "Reapers" controlling Shepard more than "TIM" could be.

Nope. TIM isn't a biotic.

This has been discussed yesterday on another thread, and you got your explanation. We are shown in game, very clearly, that TIM as a "biotic-like" glow around his fist, and that he makes Shepard move against his will.

So...He's using biotics.....

[Iconoclaste]

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I been asking this alot . Please tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD?

He is. That's all there is to it! But obviously, this answer doesn't fit IT, so it must be wrong.

How does it not fit IT? If IT is true and Shepard is being controled with indoctrintation...It fits nicely.
So....
tell me how TIM  is controling SHEPARD? 

Read the thread!

It did....The topic support this. If it's a dream, it's really a reaper doing all this.

If... but that makes no sense. Then it must be true : TIM has gained the ability to control people all by himself. Simple, no?

[jules_vern18]

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So apparently Full Reaper Control does not equal Indoctrination. That's just plain silly. How else do Reapers assume direct control?

I guess the Devil was "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL" of those Collectors and was calling himself Harbinger. Silly me, thinking the Reapers could do that...

We know from the lore that indoctrination takes a long time and does not occur instantly.  Harbringer is able to take control of individual collectors immediately.

Moreover, the collectors were made specifically for the reapers' uses.  Otherwise Harbringer would have just "assumed direct control" over you and each of your squadmates until you all just killed each other off.

Come on, guys...

The implementation of Reaper Tech is what made the "total control" of the Collectors and Saren possible (and I would argue, is the Reason why the Reapers are capable of controlling TIM in the end - his indoctrination did not occur when he first encountered the Reaper Artifact on Shanxi, but rather when he chose to implant himself with Reaper Tech).

If we are arguing this from the IT point of view, the entire ending is Shepard resisting the attempt to indoctrinate.  All the Reapers need is for him to make the conscious (or subconscious) decision to allow the Reapers into his mind. (I like here that one of TIM's lines is "I need you to believe!").  This does not mean that the Reapers are now capable of controlling Shepards' body, but he/she will now no longer be able to resist the suggestions that they make.

I see.  And where exactly in the lore does it say that Indoctrination induces hallucinations?

Directly in the codex for Indoctrination

Sorry, gonna have to get a link or a screencap, because I don't remember that at all. 

Even if it were the case, I still don't believe that Bioware has just been sitting on it this whole time and has chosen not to release it despite the downpour of negative backlash.  Even if your theory made sense thematically (it doesn't), it definitely doesn't make sense strategically on Bioware's part.

If IT were true, we would have heard about it by now.

That being said, I'd like to extend a single question to all the straw-graspers out there...if the EC comes out and presents the endings at face value without confirming IT, will you finally concede that it was just an elaborate coping mechanism for a poorly-written ending?  Or will you insist that IT is still true and that Bioware will be confirming it with their next DLC?  I'm honestly curious and have not been able to get an answer out of IT cultists anywhere I've asked.

tl;dr: If EC comes out and does not reveal IT to be true, what comes next?

Did you not read my post in the last page?
I'll post it agein...
http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.  

Ok, good - let's break this down.

1.  They complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears.  When has Shepard ever complained about either of these symptoms?

2.  Has Shepard ever expressed to anyone - in the entire trilogy - that he feels like he's being watched?

3.  Hallucinations of "ghostly presences" == hallucinations of intricate, highly-detailed conversations, followed by intricate set-pieces, space battles, the normandy crashing on an unknown planet, and a galaxy-wide event.

1.
 
2.This is a last stage sign.
3. The kid in the fall of earth.

Nice try.

1.  Why is Shepard only experiencing these early stage symptoms now?  Lore has established that indoctrination is a long process, yet Shepard does not display any of these symptoms until the very end (and still not buzzing in the ears).

2.  That's great.  We still see no signs - early or late - that Shepard feels like he's being watched.

3.  The kid in the fall of earth was not a hallucination.  He was a plot device used to illustrate to the player (and again through dream sequences) Shepard's attachment to earth and the toll that war is taking on him.

Modifié par jules_vern18, 13 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[balance5050]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

classic, using out of context staements, you  don't understand that by that he means indoctrination is reaper control.

IT's description of TIM confrontation refers to assets seen often in game when Shepard is close to death (and he is!), when biotics are used, etc. Nothing points to "Reapers" controlling Shepard more than "TIM" could be.

Nope. TIM isn't a biotic.

This has been discussed yesterday on another thread, and you got your explanation. We are shown in game, very clearly, that TIM as a "biotic-like" glow around his fist, and that he makes Shepard move against his will.

TIM can't use Biotics.

"Biotics of other species are individuals who were exposed to dust-form element zero ("eezo") in utero and subsequently developed eezo nodules throughout their bodies. These nodules can generate mass effect fields when energized by electrical impulses from the nervous system.Eezo exposure is by no means guaranteed to result in biotic ability. On the contrary, most fetuses that are exposed are not affected at all. Others will develop brain tumors or other horrific physical complications. In humans, only about one in ten eezo-exposed infants will develop biotic talents strong and stable enough to merit training, and these abilities are not always permanent. In extremely rare cases, humans who were exposed in utero but did not manifest biotic talents as children can develop them during young adulthood through additional exposure."Biotics need to be exposed to eezo in the womb and even then it's not guarunteed. To assume that he is is a farther reach in logic then... a lot of things.

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Biotics