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[Subguy614]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

Who's to say that the Stargazer AND the "BUY MOAR DLC" aren't just Shepard's own dreams just before taking his breath???

Dreams are weird, I actually dreamed that I couldn't sleep one night. Woke up tired as hell.

[balance5050]

Sdrol117 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

You don't seem to understand your own theory. -slowlyclaps- 

How about you engage what he actually says instead of avoiding it making snide comments, you just look ignorant.

Multiplayer IS an OVER sight because once the DLC comes out you can get the ending with only SP.

Just like in ME2 where you couldn't get enough money to buy everything until some of the DLC came out.

I engaged exactly what he said, it's my my fault he doesn't know what he's even talking about [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] the IT is a totaly crock of BS.

Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:



  

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 03:13 .

[Sdrol117]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

It's not canon, it was the game talking to you not the story. It's like a "Now try the game on harder difficulty" message.

Who's showing this text to you? who sent it? who holding the GD data pad? NO ONE. It's as canon os the credits.

"WHY ARE ALL THESE LETTERs FLYING THROUGH SPACE BROOOO!!!"

Yes, because a game saying that you beat the game and killed the enemy isn't a clear enough indication. That's like saying a game over screen in Space Invaders is open to interpretation, my ship totally wasnt destroyed.

[Sdrol117]

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

You don't seem to understand your own theory. -slowlyclaps- 

How about you engage what he actually says instead of avoiding it making snide comments, you just look ignorant.

Multiplayer IS an OVER sight because once the DLC comes out you can get the ending with only SP.

Just like in ME2 where you couldn't get enough money to buy everything until some of the DLC came out.

I engaged exactly what he said, it's my my fault he doesn't know what he's even talking about [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] the IT is a totaly crock of BS.

Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:



  

....Shepard was brought back to life in ME2, after being dead for an extremely long time. It's a videogame, dude. 

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

It's not canon, it was the game talking to you not the story. It's like a "Now try the game on harder difficulty" message.

Who's showing this text to you? who sent it? who holding the GD data pad? NO ONE. It's as canon os the credits.

"WHY ARE ALL THESE LETTERs FLYING THROUGH SPACE BROOOO!!!"

So you're saying that even though the game itself tells you that you've defeated the Reapers, it's not true?

You did defeat them, in your head....

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

KevShep wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

Not yet at least... summer is coming...

Brace yourselves...

Not bashing the I.T. here, but if they did choose to use I.T. in the EC it would be one of the most pathetic things they could do, since it obviously wasn't planned to begin with. For them to just take a well-crafted fan theory b/c they were too incompetent to write a decent conclusion is actually quite sickening.

Who the Hell said it was not planned? In the leak back in november or october it stated that there is indoctrination attempt in the game and a "mechanism" of gameplay reguarding the indoctrination was takin out because it took all control away from the player. It also mentions that they were in the late stages of development.

Firstly, I never said it wasn't planned, I merely stated they did not end up using it in the final game. Secondly, if I recall correctly, the mechanic was where the Reapers only controlled Shepard's movements, not his mind, which is a quite a difference.

This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!

I stand corrected, good sir. However, it could also be argued that this element was re-implemented in the conversation with T.I.M. where you do fall under his control (to an extent, of course). What I'm saying is that this does not necessarily point to the scene with the Catalyst and could still have been put in the game, sans I.T.

[CavScout]

KevShep wrote...

This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!

You post that a lot, but you ignore that it doesn't even mention Indocrination....

[balance5050]

Sdrol117 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

You don't seem to understand your own theory. -slowlyclaps- 

How about you engage what he actually says instead of avoiding it making snide comments, you just look ignorant.

Multiplayer IS an OVER sight because once the DLC comes out you can get the ending with only SP.

Just like in ME2 where you couldn't get enough money to buy everything until some of the DLC came out.

I engaged exactly what he said, it's my my fault he doesn't know what he's even talking about [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] the IT is a totaly crock of BS.

Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:

snip

snip  

....Shepard was brought back to life in ME2, after being dead for an extremely long time. It's a videogame, dude. 

That took two years.... this isnt in a lab.... everthing is explained in ME. If you really think that you aren't supposed to use your noggin to figure out what's going on, you are sadly mistaken:

 

[Iconoclaste]

KevShep wrote...




This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!

I don't see the word "indoctrination" in there. It says that the SEQUENCE was dropped, not just a "part of it".

[KevShep]

Sdrol117 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

You don't seem to understand your own theory. -slowlyclaps- 

How about you engage what he actually says instead of avoiding it making snide comments, you just look ignorant.

Multiplayer IS an OVER sight because once the DLC comes out you can get the ending with only SP.

Just like in ME2 where you couldn't get enough money to buy everything until some of the DLC came out.

I engaged exactly what he said, it's my my fault he doesn't know what he's even talking about  the IT is a totaly crock of BS.

Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:



  

....Shepard was brought back to life in ME2, after being dead for an extremely long time. It's a videogame, dude. 

(Sarcasm) Oh yes, there is also a bookshelf next to Shep, the one that must have belonged to the catalyst!

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!

You post that a lot, but you ignore that it doesn't even mention Indocrination....

How else does one describe "FULL REAPER CONTROL"?

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 03:19 .

[hoodaticus]

Sdrol117 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

It's not canon, it was the game talking to you not the story. It's like a "Now try the game on harder difficulty" message.

Who's showing this text to you? who sent it? who holding the GD data pad? NO ONE. It's as canon os the credits.

"WHY ARE ALL THESE LETTERs FLYING THROUGH SPACE BROOOO!!!"

Yes, because a game saying that you beat the game and killed the enemy isn't a clear enough indication. That's like saying a game over screen in Space Invaders is open to interpretation, my ship totally wasnt destroyed.

If IT is true, it will be the second Bioware game that had a fake ending with the player being indoctrinated into thinking they won.  With credits and everything.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 13 mai 2012 - 03:26 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

It's not canon, it was the game talking to you not the story. It's like a "Now try the game on harder difficulty" message.

Who's showing this text to you? who sent it? who holding the GD data pad? NO ONE. It's as canon os the credits.

"WHY ARE ALL THESE LETTERs FLYING THROUGH SPACE BROOOO!!!"

So you're saying that even though the game itself tells you that you've defeated the Reapers, it's not true?

You did defeat them, in your head....

I'm going to stop now before I become engaged in a circular argument. Good night.

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...
Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:

Mabe you should use the image a second later showing the center of the Citadel still intact.

[KevShep]

Iconoclaste wrote...

KevShep wrote...




This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!

I don't see the word "indoctrination" in there. It says that the SEQUENCE was dropped, not just a "part of it".

 The only way to be in full reaper control is to be indoctrinated (as per ME lore). The fact that it says sequence and mechanic tells you that the indoctrination as a whole was not dropped. Read carefully.

[CavScout]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
I'm going to stop now before I become engaged in a circular argument. Good night.

That fallacy is trademarked by IT followers.

[Iconoclaste]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:

Mabe you should use the image a second later showing the center of the Citadel still intact.

I think their main objective is just to flood any thread, hoping to win something that way. It's just becoming more and more ridiculous each time, with the same little group trying to gather around anyone to submerge him with lots of pre-made posts, links and pseudo-arguments. It's just some kind of game they play in order to get secured in their belief that IT is such a great idea.

[DJBare]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

Not yet at least... summer is coming...

Brace yourselves...

Not bashing the I.T. here, but if they did choose to use I.T. in the EC it would be one of the most pathetic things they could do, since it obviously wasn't planned to begin with. For them to just take a well-crafted fan theory b/c they were too incompetent to write a decent conclusion is actually quite sickening.

As a counter point to that, they are not going to tell you if they planned IT, that would negate the entire premise of IT.

[CavScout]

KevShep wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!

I don't see the word "indoctrination" in there. It says that the SEQUENCE was dropped, not just a "part of it".

 The only way to be in full reaper control is to be indoctrinated (as per ME lore). The fact that it says sequence and mechanic tells you that the indoctrination as a whole was not dropped. Read carefully.

Something dropped would need to be in the lore..... the ONLY fact from that paragraph is INDOCTRINATION is not mentioned.

Modifié par CavScout, 13 mai 2012 - 03:27 .

[KevShep]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:

Mabe you should use the image a second later showing the center of the Citadel still intact.

The citadel orbiting the earth WOULD in fact come crashing down to earth since it lost its power to operate.

[Lookout1390]

3 cheers for console limitations.

Thanks

[Scimal]

balance5050 wrote...
Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:



  

The same reason Master Chief survives everything. To get people to buy the next game.

Or... IT is totally legit and Shepard somehow survives getting blasted with Harbinger's beam and isn't immediately killed by the Reapers while s/he sits unconscious on a pile of rubble for 45 minutes until the choice is made amidst probably the most concentrated army of Reapers in the galaxy.

[Iconoclaste]

Lookout1390 wrote...

3 cheers for console limitations.

Thanks

Exactly. You are excluded from the "real ending" (IT) if you play on consoles, because of low-res not allowing to see all hints, and sound files playing crappy.

[CavScout]

Iconoclaste wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
Give us an explanation why you think that it is, and I quote- ":wizard: the IT is a totaly crock of BS."

Maybe you can explain why Shepard is not vaporized by this:

Mabe you should use the image a second later showing the center of the Citadel still intact.

I think their main objective is just to flood any thread, hoping to win something that way. It's just becoming more and more ridiculous each time, with the same little group trying to gather around anyone to submerge him with lots of pre-made posts, links and pseudo-arguments. It's just some kind of game they play in order to get secured in their belief that IT is such a great idea.

It is typical behavior of conspiracy theorists. Like a Truther, they throw a bucket full of things at the wall and demand you explain them all. If you can't explain everything to their satisfaction then they consider it proof of their position.

It can be more insidious thou, in the sense that they will sometimes claim anything being used against Indoctrination as part of the indoctrination. They set up loop that makes IT unfalsifiable in their minds.

[KevShep]

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!

 The only way to be in full reaper control is to be indoctrinated (as per ME lore). The fact that it says sequence and mechanic tells you that the indoctrination as a whole was not dropped. Read carefully.

Something dropped would need to be in the lore..... the ONLY fact from that paragraph is INDOCTRINATION is not mentioned

They "dropped" that part because it did not work ALONG SIDE DIALOGUE CHOICES! In other works...they did not what to use that form of indoctrination ALONG side of dialogue choices that WE do ACTUALLY have at the end!

Modifié par KevShep, 13 mai 2012 - 03:28 .