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[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...IT is not structured as literary interpretation; it is structured as a hypothesis supported by enumerated "facts." 

And no, falsifiability/refutability is not restricted to science...it is also used as a test for assertions of fact in logical arguments. 

And IT can absolutely be tested - I think an appropriate test would be the content of the EC.  But if believers in IT don't see that as an adequate test, then I would like to know what is.

If you are presenting a theory and are unwilling or unable to set parameters for refutability, then it is not a "theory" in a strictly logical sense... It's more like an argument between an athiest and a devout Christian about the existance of God.

It is a theory on the same level of  infallibility as the theory of relativity.
Your porblem is that it can't be test ed as being wrong....But you missing the fact that there many theories that arethe same way....That what makes it a theory. The theory of evolution can't be tested as well. Being untestable is what stops a theory form being a law till it's proven rong.

No.. no you didn't just elevate Indoctrination Theory to the level of the Theory of Relativity... no...no...

I said  in  infallibility. That means we can't test it. I can't  really build a rocket that moves at the speed of light.

Does not make it better!

Actually it does because it makes it easy to debate, and fun too!

[CavScout]

Hadeedak wrote...What am I supposed to be seeing here?

That's evidence to Balance when he feels like he is losing. He image bombs the thread hoping to drive everyone away.

[dreman9999]

Hadeedak wrote...

Even early stages like Rana in ME1... You don't break free. At best, if you're very strong willed, you commit suicide. If Shepard's indoctrinated, then he'd be the first person to actually be able to fight back against the Reapers. If he's influenced by them enough to be having visions, he's indoctrinated. If that's the case... Well, critical mission failure. And Shepard doesn't become a legend by ending the reaper threat.

Unless this is some form of special, unique indoctrination we've never seen or heard about before. That treats the subject with much more care and gives them more freedom then ever.

No younot understand it can be resisted. That's breaking free. Rana 's case is thatof not being able to undo it, not a case of not being able to break free. She's a slow indoctrination case. And the point is Shepard can resist long enough to get the job done...I just posted a book exsert the showed aguy reisting indoctrination for a week and that's with reaper teck implanted

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...What am I supposed to be seeing here?

That's evidence to Balance when he feels like he is losing. He image bombs the thread hoping to drive everyone away.

You still have yet to comment on them though, that's why I post them.

http://desmond.image...pg&res=landing 
 
 

[hoodaticus]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...What am I supposed to be seeing here?

That's evidence to Balance when he feels like he is losing. He image bombs the thread hoping to drive everyone away.

You still have yet to comment on them though, that's why I post them.

http://desmond.image...pg&res=landing 
 
 

Yeah, they simply ignore whatever disproves their pro-ender theory.  No one has yet disproven my logical refutation of the per se interpretation of the ending.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 13 mai 2012 - 07:47 .

[dreman9999]

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Because I don't stand with you doesn't mean I don't stand for nothing. But what I stand for, is irrelevant to whether IT has any merit or not.

So if you aren't trying to prove anything what are you doing? collecting cancer causing bad vibes?

How does this support IT?

Because of this link between the dreams, the geth consensus, and the final indoc attempt.


http://desmond.image...pg&res=landing 
 
 

What am I supposed to be seeing here?

It a 3x 3 diagram state at ever clear picture at the left. and end at the square at the right that's 3rd  from the level with the clear pictures.


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[balance5050]

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...What am I supposed to be seeing here?

That's evidence to Balance when he feels like he is losing. He image bombs the thread hoping to drive everyone away.

You still have yet to comment on them though, that's why I post them.

http://desmond.image...pg&res=landing 
 
 

Yeah, they simply ignore the obvious.  No one has yet disproven my logical refutation of the per se interpretation of the ending.

They ignore it because it's impossible to disprove because Indoctrination is what Mac and Casey intended. When I see how the anti's act, it only strengthens my resolve.

[Sisterofshane]

OK, but can we stop posting it now? The white spots are beginning to burn into my retinas

[balance5050]

Sisterofshane wrote...

OK, but can we stop posting it now? The white spots are beginning to burn into my retinas

Speaking of retinas:


 

[dreman9999]

Sisterofshane wrote...

OK, but can we stop posting it now? The white spots are beginning to burn into my retinas

...*Looks at page...
:blink:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....
mY EyeeeeeeeeS!!!!

[Sisterofshane]

balance5050 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

OK, but can we stop posting it now? The white spots are beginning to burn into my retinas

Speaking of retinas:


*pic snip*

Again, I will say that the reuse of assets within the game does nothing to prove the Devs left it there are clues.
If this were a movie, I would say you might be onto something, but in a video game?  They have to draw the line at creating new assets somewhere.

[Hadeedak]

balance5050 wrote...


They ignore it because it's impossible to disprove because Indoctrination is what Mac and Casey intended. When I see how the anti's act, it only strengthens my resolve.

I'm glad to hear you're open to reasonable debate and alternate interpretations. So. Why is Shepard special? Do you think, with Reapers in close proximity, if he wakes up, he'll be able to do ANYTHING about it beyond snap right back into being indoctrinated?

[balance5050]

 



This is the control device (blue) but its file name is "End_Choice_Bad_A01"

Why call it "bad" if it's supposed to be the Paragon choice?

[Hadeedak]

Sisterofshane wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

OK, but can we stop posting it now? The white spots are beginning to burn into my retinas

Speaking of retinas:


*pic snip*

Again, I will say that the reuse of assets within the game does nothing to prove the Devs left it there are clues.
If this were a movie, I would say you might be onto something, but in a video game?  They have to draw the line at creating new assets somewhere.

TIM's eyes are upsidedown renegade eyes. The more you know!

[Hadeedak]

balance5050 wrote...

 



This is the control device (blue) but its file name is "End_Choice_Bad_A01"

Why call it "bad" if it's supposed to be the Paragon choice?

Why is destroy the only ending where Shepard can literally incinerate the Earth?

[araisikewai]

balance5050 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

OK, but can we stop posting it now? The white spots are beginning to burn into my retinas

Speaking of retinas:


 

This ^ ^
And some following new hints:
- When Star-Child show up in the intro, it's always accompanied by Beware/Caution/Danger sign right next to him
- Oily Shadows show up in Citadel ONLY when TIM tried to impose his will upon Shepard OR Anderson, Oily Shadow ALWAYS happens in dream sequence, which basically means that dream sequence IS a mean of will imposition
- Catalyst Chamber is basically in the form of Giant Dialogue Wheel if you see it from the top
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11979022
Which means Shepard wasn't only inside ME the Game, he was actually inside A GAME MECHANIC...! A deeper level than the game itself. Like a dream in a dream Inception style. Telling you to just WAKE UP!!!

PS: I don't realy care about that Whiteout Scene transition for the dream, ending wakeup, or geth sequence. It might just mean BW being lazy/simplistic.

[balance5050]

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


They ignore it because it's impossible to disprove because Indoctrination is what Mac and Casey intended. When I see how the anti's act, it only strengthens my resolve.

I'm glad to hear you're open to reasonable debate and alternate interpretations. So. Why is Shepard special? Do you think, with Reapers in close proximity, if he wakes up, he'll be able to do ANYTHING about it beyond snap right back into being indoctrinated?

Shep is the primary leader of the resistance, if they kill him he become a martyr, a symbol, but if he were to say that the reapers "actually are" our salvation, the bulk of the galaxy would follow.

[Hadeedak]

The oily shadows end after TIM's dead.
The 'dialogue wheel' is interpretation. It may also be a nice shoutout to the fans. Lord knows we've made enough jokes off the thing.

[hoodaticus]

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 



This is the control device (blue) but its file name is "End_Choice_Bad_A01"

Why call it "bad" if it's supposed to be the Paragon choice?

Why is destroy the only ending where Shepard can literally incinerate the Earth?

It's also the only ending where you defeat the reapers, not to mention the only ending where you live to tell about it.

BTW - at first glance, I thought the image was of an adult toy of some sort.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 13 mai 2012 - 08:00 .

[balance5050]

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 



This is the control device (blue) but its file name is "End_Choice_Bad_A01"

Why call it "bad" if it's supposed to be the Paragon choice?

Why is destroy the only ending where Shepard can literally incinerate the Earth?

That same red wave that incinerates the Earth spreads through the entire galaxy and you don't even see you squaddies get off the ship. Your "Effective Military Strength" wasn't great enough and you lost the whole galaxy.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


They ignore it because it's impossible to disprove because Indoctrination is what Mac and Casey intended. When I see how the anti's act, it only strengthens my resolve.

I'm glad to hear you're open to reasonable debate and alternate interpretations. So. Why is Shepard special? Do you think, with Reapers in close proximity, if he wakes up, he'll be able to do ANYTHING about it beyond snap right back into being indoctrinated?

Benezia snapped in and out of control, so it's possible for Shep to do this, as well.

game lore states Shep is a strong-willed individual, otherwise the beacons would have rendered Shep a mindless raving loony. it's all there in the game.

[Hadeedak]

balance5050 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


They ignore it because it's impossible to disprove because Indoctrination is what Mac and Casey intended. When I see how the anti's act, it only strengthens my resolve.

I'm glad to hear you're open to reasonable debate and alternate interpretations. So. Why is Shepard special? Do you think, with Reapers in close proximity, if he wakes up, he'll be able to do ANYTHING about it beyond snap right back into being indoctrinated?

Shep is the primary leader of the resistance, if they kill him he become a martyr, a symbol, but if he were to say that the reapers "actually are" our salvation, the bulk of the galaxy would follow.

Well... That's a lot more depressing than my literal control, because you don't escape indoctrination for any length of time, especially with Reapers RIGHT there. Reapers you can't, apperantly, defeat conventionally.

[balance5050]

Hadeedak wrote...

The oily shadows end after TIM's dead.
The 'dialogue wheel' is interpretation. It may also be a nice shoutout to the fans. Lord knows we've made enough jokes off the thing.

TIM died, that reaper tactic failed and they needed to kick the plan into overdrive.

[Sisterofshane]

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


They ignore it because it's impossible to disprove because Indoctrination is what Mac and Casey intended. When I see how the anti's act, it only strengthens my resolve.

I'm glad to hear you're open to reasonable debate and alternate interpretations. So. Why is Shepard special? Do you think, with Reapers in close proximity, if he wakes up, he'll be able to do ANYTHING about it beyond snap right back into being indoctrinated?

Here is where the theory is a little more subtle, and less argued (most people tend to focus on the three colored endings).

I believe the answer would be that the Reapers are taking advantage of the fact that Shepard is in an unconscious state.  In the books it is established that indoctrination of a subject is much easier when mental barriers are broken down.  It's kind of hard to actively fight indoctrination if you are not even fully aware that the Reapers are trying to implement it ( may be why Shepard has been capable of avoiding indoctrination thus far - every attempt made has seen shepard aware of the attempt and resisting), couple with a natural strong resolve).

I believe that once the metaphorical Illusive Man Dies, the indoctrination attempt has failed.  Why Separd specifically is able to resist I don't know - but it is possible that there are others who were able to resist and we just don't know about them because they don't matter.  (For example, it was heavily implied that the colonists of Eden Prime were subject to indocrination when Sovereign was there - why don't we here about the Farmers or the Dock Worker coming back with indoctrination?)

[balance5050]

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


They ignore it because it's impossible to disprove because Indoctrination is what Mac and Casey intended. When I see how the anti's act, it only strengthens my resolve.

I'm glad to hear you're open to reasonable debate and alternate interpretations. So. Why is Shepard special? Do you think, with Reapers in close proximity, if he wakes up, he'll be able to do ANYTHING about it beyond snap right back into being indoctrinated?

Shep is the primary leader of the resistance, if they kill him he become a martyr, a symbol, but if he were to say that the reapers "actually are" our salvation, the bulk of the galaxy would follow.

Well... That's a lot more depressing than my literal control, because you don't escape indoctrination for any length of time, especially with Reapers RIGHT there. Reapers you can't, apperantly, defeat conventionally.

Not following you.