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#701
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CavScout wrote...

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CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.


Lumping me in once again with a group with which I personally don't identify.  Just because I refuse to let you get away with your misdirection and flawed logical interpretation doesn't make me an "IT zealot".

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


You gave me your own proof in the bolded underlined statement.  The only reason you care to argue at all is to "stop" people who believe in IT.

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CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


A. You only hang out in The IT threads.

B. You bash the I.T. and its fans instead of actually trying to refute any aspects of it.

Like IT, you post "evidence" that doesn't support the claim. At best you can show I participate in IT threads, which is not the same as the claim that I am on a "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me.

Expecting you to support the latest allegation when you can't even do so with the previous ones was silly.


ORLY!

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How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

#704
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Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.


Lumping me in once again with a group with which I personally don't identify.  Just because I refuse to let you get away with your misdirection and flawed logical interpretation doesn't make me an "IT zealot".

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


You gave me your own proof in the bolded underlined statement.  The only reason you care to argue at all is to "stop" people who believe in IT.

The claim was  I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me not that I participate in IT threads. You can not support the claim. Just admit it.

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Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.


No kidding, I've seen way worse than him though and those people are still around.

#706
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Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

Only if you define "trolling" as not supporting IT fully.

#707
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CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.


Lumping me in once again with a group with which I personally don't identify.  Just because I refuse to let you get away with your misdirection and flawed logical interpretation doesn't make me an "IT zealot".

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


You gave me your own proof in the bolded underlined statement.  The only reason you care to argue at all is to "stop" people who believe in IT.

The claim was  I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me not that I participate in IT threads. You can not support the claim. Just admit it.


You only hang out in IT threads.

#708
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CavScout wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

Only if you define "trolling" as not supporting IT fully.


No one supports it fully, we are speculating.

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Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

This.  Hardcore.

#710
Sisterofshane

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CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.


Lumping me in once again with a group with which I personally don't identify.  Just because I refuse to let you get away with your misdirection and flawed logical interpretation doesn't make me an "IT zealot".

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


You gave me your own proof in the bolded underlined statement.  The only reason you care to argue at all is to "stop" people who believe in IT.

The claim was  I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me not that I participate in IT threads. You can not support the claim. Just admit it.


I don't need to - by virtue of you being here debating AGAINST IT proves it.

You don't even want IT'ers to accept your point of view (which has been conspicuously absent, and yet painfully obvious, Mr. Literal).  You just want them to admit fault.

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Cavscout = Literalist until proven otherwise.

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 Bump?:devil:

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CavScout

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Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.


Lumping me in once again with a group with which I personally don't identify.  Just because I refuse to let you get away with your misdirection and flawed logical interpretation doesn't make me an "IT zealot".

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


You gave me your own proof in the bolded underlined statement.  The only reason you care to argue at all is to "stop" people who believe in IT.

The claim was  I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me not that I participate in IT threads. You can not support the claim. Just admit it.


I don't need to - by virtue of you being here debating AGAINST IT proves it.

You don't even want IT'ers to accept your point of view (which has been conspicuously absent, and yet painfully obvious, Mr. Literal).  You just want them to admit fault.

The claim was I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me not that I participate in IT threads. You can not support the claim. Just admit it.

#714
Sisterofshane

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CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.


Lumping me in once again with a group with which I personally don't identify.  Just because I refuse to let you get away with your misdirection and flawed logical interpretation doesn't make me an "IT zealot".

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


You gave me your own proof in the bolded underlined statement.  The only reason you care to argue at all is to "stop" people who believe in IT.

The claim was  I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me not that I participate in IT threads. You can not support the claim. Just admit it.


I don't need to - by virtue of you being here debating AGAINST IT proves it.

You don't even want IT'ers to accept your point of view (which has been conspicuously absent, and yet painfully obvious, Mr. Literal).  You just want them to admit fault.

The claim was I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me not that I participate in IT threads. You can not support the claim. Just admit it.


And repeating yourself instead of countering my argument doesn't make my argument any less valid.

So again, my counter was that I personally do not need to support my claim, because your actions and rhetoric do a fine job of that for me.

#715
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CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.


You're wrong, but that won't stop you or other IT zelots.

I understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A rock cannot be a boulder".

Care to actually back up your claim? Please show where I "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me. Like IT, you can't support this at all.


A. You only hang out in The IT threads.

B. You bash the I.T. and its fans instead of actually trying to refute any aspects of it.

Like IT, you post "evidence" that doesn't support the claim. At best you can show I participate in IT threads, which is not the same as the claim that I am on a "personal crusade to discredit anybody who believes differently from" me.

Expecting you to support the latest allegation when you can't even do so with the previous ones was silly.


Any chance you can go ahead and reply to the point I was making about inspiration for this story, which you attempted to discredit without actually understanding what I was saying?

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout, the only argument you
seem to have is that the ending cannot be taken at anything other than
face value, which flies in the face of any critical reasoning approach
you can take when regarding the interpretation of a story.

I
understand that it is your personal crusade to discredit anybody who
believes differently from yourself, but you're never going to win
anybody over to your side by using an argument akin to the statement " A
rock cannot be a boulder".

Yes exactly.
The trouble is, gaming stories are generally pretty basic, aiming at that 8+ "mainstream" market. Everything is very obvious, so that even a slightly slow child could understand what's going on. Sadly, this is why.

Bioware has very very good writers, we have seen that time and time again - writing basic plots such as those in ME2 is a waste of their talents, and I understand why they wanted to give the story greater weight.

At their core, RPG's are supposed to be immersive. Therefore any other way of working indoctrination (the defining plot element of large parts of the series) into gameplay breaks immersion, whilst actually attempting to indoctrinate the player is something I assume they thought would be very well received.

The trouble is that most of the audience won't understand that, they're used to simple gaming stories of "work through room of chest high walls and shoot guy A, collect item from A and shoot through another room full of chest high walls to deliver it to B, because the bad guys are bad and the good guys are good and we say so that's why" that they won't pick up on what is a relatively subtle process. I mean hell, I've played all the games and DLC, and I nearly got fooled in the end, so expecting a gamer who starts on ME3 or such to pick up on it is wildly optimistic.

So in short, yes, I can understand why they did it, I think it's a very cool idea, but I think if you're going to pull a twist like that you should try to ensure a relatively short (no more than 6 week) run up to DLC.

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balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

Only if you define "trolling" as not supporting IT fully.


No one supports it fully, we are speculating.


Stop moving the goal posts balance, :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Agugaboo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

Only if you define "trolling" as not supporting IT fully.


No one supports it fully, we are speculating.


Stop moving the goal posts balance, :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


:lol:

#718
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hoodaticus wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

This.  Hardcore.


CALLED!

#719
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Agugaboo wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.

This.  Hardcore.


CALLED!


Yeah, if he keeps it up he might earn a place in my sig ;)

#720
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Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.


I've honestly reported him at least 5 times...

#721
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BatmanTurian wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.


I've honestly reported him at least 5 times...

Better to PM a moderator, they ask that you do so in the sticky.

And I've said this in other threads, people like CavScout can only continue if they are responded to, personally if he wants to continue bumping my thread I have no problem, whether folk believe IT or not makes little difference to me, I just wanted to clear up some confusion.

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DJBare wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.


I've honestly reported him at least 5 times...

Better to PM a moderator, they ask that you do so in the sticky.

And I've said this in other threads, people like CavScout can only continue if they are responded to, personally if he wants to continue bumping my thread I have no problem, whether folk believe IT or not makes little difference to me, I just wanted to clear up some confusion.


understood and agreed that your OP was an important distinction to clarify.

#723
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DJBare wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

How is cavscout not banned?


Dude is trolling.


I've honestly reported him at least 5 times...

Better to PM a moderator, they ask that you do so in the sticky.

And I've said this in other threads, people like CavScout can only continue if they are responded to, personally if he wants to continue bumping my thread I have no problem, whether folk believe IT or not makes little difference to me, I just wanted to clear up some confusion.


that guy must have 50 posts in almost every pro/anti IT thread in the past few weeks, being conservative. he alone is keeping the theory alive.
:lol::lol::lol:

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I would be ok with IT starting at the beam if the end sequence between anderson, shep andTIM wasnt so damn great. As it stands now i want IT to start at the elevator

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Funkdrspot wrote...

I would be ok with IT starting at the beam if the end sequence between anderson, shep andTIM wasnt so damn great. As it stands now i want IT to start at the elevator


One version of the IT accounts for this.