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[ubermensch007]

Am I the only one who felt that there was like a thousand different instances in Mass Effect 3, where the first human Spectre could have and should have gave an NPC a piece of his mind--but instead Shep chooses
to hold his tongue?! Its as though Shep has this "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all." -- attitude. And it makes me want to pull my frakking hair out in rage!

I don't know about you, but while playing ME3, I sort of felt like BioWare wanted us all to
experience what it felt like to be EDI in Mass Effect 2.

Every-time in a conversation, when no option would present itself to ask a question that was on the tip of my tongue. I was reminded of what EDI kept saying when you would ask her certain questions in ME2.
"I have a "block" preventing me from answering that question." Shep even says on Cronos Station that he thinks that he might be a high tech VI, which thinks that its Commander Shepard. And while playing ME3, at so many points of the story I felt as though he may have been right.

It was like:

Shepard VI: I have a "Block" preventing me from asking that question.

Shepard VI: I have a "block" preventing me from talking back to this character and putting them in their place.

Many on the forums have made clear their frustration about how Shep is not allowed to ask the Starchild enough questions or tell it to f-off.But there are so many other moments where I felt that Shep is no where near
as confrontational or argumentative as he use to (could) be in the previous games.

When I think back to how Shep could express how mortified he is at Mordin's work on the Modified Genophage Project. And when we reach the point where Mordin 's Loyalty Mission is unlocked. Shep can even go as
far as saying, (I'm paraphrasing) of Mordin's colleague Maelon: "I don't
care what happens to him on Tuchanka.He deserves what he gets!"



When I think back to how Shep could interact with Tali, Ashley, Garrus, Kaidan, Wrex or Liara in Mass Effect 1. How Shep could either befriend them or be abrasive or indifferent to their presence. You could tell Tali essentially, that her people picked a fight with an opponent who was bigger stronger and smarter than them.And they have no one to blame but themselves for their current precarious state of existence.

I felt like in Mass Effect 3 -- BioWare acts upon this assumption that NPC like Garrus and Tali are every players good buddy or girlfriend.

Shep does have a few moments where he vents his frustration, in a very eloquent matter.Like in the Geth Consensus mission.When he talks to Legion about how everyone is exploiting this crisis for there own
personal gain.But there should have been so many more moments like this.

So what is this thread about? What I would like to see here.Is my fellow forumites to write dialogue for either Renegade or Paragon Shepard. Because I think we all may need such an outlet for our frustration at
how limited Commander Shepard's responses were in ME3.

And on another note: does anyone else feel like there were way to many: Who the hell do you think your talking to like that!? Moments in ME3, that Shep lets stand unanswered.

To start off: What Admiral Anderson says to Shep on earth if you did not destroy the Alpha Relay.

Anderson: The sh!t you've done.Any other soldier would have been court martialed--discharged or left to rot in the brig.

Shepard: The sh!t I've done. You mean like steal the Normandy -- mutiny and follow Saren to Illos? Oh wait, that was your idea -- Admiral.

And if your thinking that Shepard would never say something like that to
Anderson. Somebody then told you wrong... When you go and talk to Anderson on the Citadel in ME2, Shepard can get pretty verbally hostile with Anderson.Whether he's a Councilor or not.In ME2 Shepard neither
salutes Hackket or stands at attention.If you've played the Arrival DLC, you will notice that when Shep goes up to his quarters to talk to Hackett. When the Admiral tells him what he would have him do.Shep turns
his back on the Admiral.Leans back on the wall, crosses his arms and ask Hackett one question:

"So why come to me?" When Shepard is in the Medbay post Arrival and Hackett debriefs him.Shepard doesn't get up and salute Hackett.He talks to Hackett no differently than if he was a business associate.Nothing
more.

Jack is sooooooooooooooooooooooo right when she calls Shepard "The King of the Boyscouts" :innocent: in ME3. Because that's exactly what BioWare has turned our Shepard's into. Shepard get's reinstated into the Alliance and as far as I'm concerned it all goes to hell from there. From ME1 to ME2. BioWare gave Shep more and more independence. And freedom of choice. For some reason they decided to undo next to all the progress that the
character they created has made.How are they to think we are to react to the fact that in ME1 Admiral Hackett was just some annoying dude who kept trying to derail us from our primary objective of hunting down the
Rogue Spectre Saren Arterious.By continuously requesting Shepard's aid.Because apparently Shepard is the only competent soldier in the Alliance.


To Hackett essentially being Commander Shepard's boss in ME3. I would prefer the Illusive Man to be as he was to Shepard in ME2 over Hackket. This may sound strange to some, but here me out.At least with TIM, we
could tell him off every now and then and give him a piece of our mind.The whole freaking galaxy is crumbling around them.And I'm suppose to believe that the person who has had more success against the Reapers
than anyone else (Shepard) is going to be taking orders from some dude (Hackett) who presided over the greatest naval defeat in human history! A man who failed to protect the Alliance Parliment.The capital of the
Alliance -- Arcturus Station was destroyed on his watch. This is Shepard's boss?!

I had believed that in Mass Effect 3 -- the first human Spectre was going to be as the "organizer of victory" George Marshall of World War 2 fame, glory and honor. By all rights: Commander Shepard in 2186 should
have held a similar position akin to General Dwight D. Eisenhower in World War 2.That is that of Supreme Allied Commander. Instead Shepard is -- I don't know what Shepard is in ME3. But its not what he or she
should have been.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 13 mai 2012 - 02:27 .

[Daennikus]

I noticed that, too. But it personally suits my tastes, perhaps for the simple reason that I often clam up as well when I'm not sure what to say or when too angry/annoyed to reply to someone. Besides, the acting is generally well rendered in ME3. Not all the time, but in specific moments when Shepard chooses not to talk, we can see how he or she is feeling about a situation.

[His Name was HYR!!]

I disagree. Commander Shepard was no "badass" in the past, he was mostly just a fool - acting like a rebel with no particular cause, just for the sake of being a rebel. It was stupid then, and would be stupid now. Fortunately, the BW team wised up and scrapped most of this nonsense.

And he's really not some goody-two-shoes either, he certainly shows an edge if you play it right. Only this time, his edge actually has a purpose, not just "hurr, I'm so B.A."

ubermensch007 wrote...

Its as though Shep has this "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all." -- attitude. And it makes me want to pull my frakking hair out in rage!

From my playthrough:
-- Punching Han'Gerrel and telling him to get off my ship.
-- Admonishing Padok Wiks for the greeting on Sur'Kesh, and hiding female krogan.
-- Renegade interrupt... on a REAPER (Rannoch). *pulls out orbital-strike gun* "Tell your friends I'm coming for them" ... *orders orbital strike on nearly-dead Reaper* "... nevermind, I'll tell them myself"
-- Telling off T.I.M. at every turn.
-- Calling the indoctrinated hanar a big, stupid, jellyfish.

There's still plenty of it.

When I think back to how Shep could express how mortified he is at Mordin's work on the Modified Genophage Project. And when we reach the point where Mordin 's Loyalty Mission is unlocked. Shep can even go as
far as saying, (I'm paraphrasing) of Mordin's colleague Maelon: "I don't
care what happens to him on Tuchanka.He deserves what he gets!"

I remember that line. I also remember Mordin's response: telling Shepard he's being a short-sighted fool. Which is exactly my point. A lot of this "badass" that some Shepards could supposedly be in the past was just ******. You're there to save Maelon, it IS the mission, and you're saying you hope he dies to the guy who's worried sick about him??

That's not "balls" - that's nonsense. And BW finally realized this and made Shepard wise up. It should have been this way from the start, but better late than never.

I felt like in Mass Effect 3 -- BioWare acts upon this assumption that NPC like Garrus and Tali are every players good buddy or girlfriend.

That I'll agree with. It wouldn't have been so bad if they established it from the beginning. If we hate them, we hate them out-of-universe. But this was an inconsistency.

To start off: What Admiral Anderson says to Shep on earth if you did not destroy the Alpha Relay.

Anderson: The sh!t you've done.Any other soldier would have been court martialed--discharged or left to rot in the brig.

Shepard: The sh!t I've done. You mean like steal the Normandy -- mutiny and follow Saren to Illos? Oh wait, that was your idea -- Admiral.

Anderson: No, like working for Cerberus and then operating in Council space.

... and you could easily create a luandry list of laws/regulations broken by Shepard over the course of the ME2 mission when you account for all recruitment and loyalty missions. (Funnily, I remember Saphra made one, wish that old fool were still around here somewhere).

[shepskisaac]

You can still be rude to Ashley & Kaidan and tell them you don't want them on your ship. You can backstab Wrex and sabotage the Genophage cure and you can side with Geth and kill Tali. Garrus, Liara? Lul forget about it. They're gonna be your BFFs and you will love them whether you like it or not

[zapphoman24]

I wish there was an renegade option to put Javik in his place...

" Enough Javik! I get it! Your people would of done things differently! The problem with that is your people are dead. Your the only one left so obviously the way Protheans did things didn't work."

[Ageless Face]

Everything would be so much better if you will be able to choose who to work with: The Alliance or Cerberus. Then make the story more renegade with cerberus, and more Paragon with the Alliance. 
The least they could have done is making the auto dialogue match your Morality, Like in DA2. That was pretty cool. With the stupid auto dialogue, Shepard is too much of a jerk as a Paragon, and too understanding as a renegade. It's now feels really pointless to play with different morality, Because it's the same damm thing!!!
And what's the deal with Shepard able to tell Garrus s/he's fine, And right after that force Shepard into admitting how much afraid s/he is to Liara?! Or having to tell James the council are so unhelpfull, but two seconds before that you defended them before Joker?!?! 
And really, why does Joker tells my paragon Shepard he will be glad to call and hang up on the council? I never did that!!!!! And why does my Shepard calls the hanar a "big stupid jellyfish"!?!?!?!? Just because it was amusing for some in ME1 does not mean everyone enjoyed the joke. 

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I disagree. Commander Shepard was no "badass" in the past, he was mostly just a fool - acting like a rebel with no particular cause, just for the sake of being a rebel. It was stupid then, and would be stupid now. Fortunately, the BW team wised up and scrapped most of this nonsense. 

 

People who play renegade are usually want to be a "rebel with no perticular cause". If not then they play a paragon. Or a Paragade. Sure, the base idea of a renegade is to get the job done by all means necessary, not being a jerk. But it's not really being shown in ME1 and 2. Why should it be there in ME3, when the people who played and loved a renegade before were in the expectation for seeing more of the evil of commander Shepard?

[The Mercenary55]

sensing alot of hate for authority, remember shepard is an alliance soldier again, he cant back talk senior officers plus shepard is repersenting the alliance trying to gain allies, now if he gives them a piece of his mind you can kiss any help goodbye

plus your degrading hackett for being overwhelmed, every fleet in the galaxy is gettin their butts handed to them, even the most militarily efficient turians, so you can cut that BS but i also thought my shepard would be assigning the different fleets and forces during the fight, i agree with you on that but you sound like you have a problem with authority and a "my way or the highway" attitude

[grey_wind]

The Mercenary55 wrote...

sensing alot of hate for authority, remember shepard is an alliance soldier again, he cant back talk senior officers plus shepard is repersenting the alliance trying to gain allies, now if he gives them a piece of his mind you can kiss any help goodbye

plus your degrading hackett for being overwhelmed, every fleet in the galaxy is gettin their butts handed to them, even the most militarily efficient turians, so you can cut that BS but i also thought my shepard would be assigning the different fleets and forces during the fight, i agree with you on that but you sound like you have a problem with authority and a "my way or the highway" attitude

The problem in ME3 is that (as a Spectre) Shepard really should have been written as an independent figure. Shepard is practically leading the galactic armada by the end of the game and did everything himself to create that armada, but you're stuck being ordered around by some old buffoon with a defeatist attitude who does nothing for the war effort but force you to rely on a plot device that nobody in the story understands.

Modifié par grey_wind, 14 mai 2012 - 07:46 .

[Daennikus]

grey_wind wrote...

The problem in ME3 is that (as a Spectre) Shepard really should have been written as an independent figure. Shepard is practically leading the galactic armada by the end of the game and did everything himself to create that armada, but you're stuck being ordered around by some old buffoon with a defeatist attitude who does nothing for the war effort but force you to rely on a plot device that nobody in the story understands.

Hm, you make me think of something.

Perhaps we wish we weren't limited by the gaming format. After all, Shepard is our puppet. That's why I like most of the auto-dialogue, no matter what he did or said. 

That's why I'm not against the idea of a movie or tv show for Mass Effect.

[NasChoka]

The Mercenary55 wrote...

sensing alot of hate for authority, remember shepard is an alliance soldier again, he cant back talk senior officers plus shepard is repersenting the alliance trying to gain allies, now if he gives them a piece of his mind you can kiss any help goodbye

This. 

[SlottsMachine]

He left them in his purse.

[Ecrulis]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I disagree. Commander Shepard was no "badass" in the past, he was mostly just a fool - acting like a rebel with no particular cause, just for the sake of being a rebel. It was stupid then, and would be stupid now. Fortunately, the BW team wised up and scrapped most of this nonsense.

And he's really not some goody-two-shoes either, he certainly shows an edge if you play it right. Only this time, his edge actually has a purpose, not just "hurr, I'm so B.A."

ubermensch007 wrote...

Its as though Shep has this "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all." -- attitude. And it makes me want to pull my frakking hair out in rage!

From my playthrough:
-- Punching Han'Gerrel and telling him to get off my ship.
-- Admonishing Padok Wiks for the greeting on Sur'Kesh, and hiding female krogan.
-- Renegade interrupt... on a REAPER (Rannoch). *pulls out orbital-strike gun* "Tell your friends I'm coming for them" ... *orders orbital strike on nearly-dead Reaper* "... nevermind, I'll tell them myself"
-- Telling off T.I.M. at every turn.
-- Calling the indoctrinated hanar a big, stupid, jellyfish.

There's still plenty of it.

When I think back to how Shep could express how mortified he is at Mordin's work on the Modified Genophage Project. And when we reach the point where Mordin 's Loyalty Mission is unlocked. Shep can even go as
far as saying, (I'm paraphrasing) of Mordin's colleague Maelon: "I don't
care what happens to him on Tuchanka.He deserves what he gets!"

I remember that line. I also remember Mordin's response: telling Shepard he's being a short-sighted fool. Which is exactly my point. A lot of this "badass" that some Shepards could supposedly be in the past was just ******. You're there to save Maelon, it IS the mission, and you're saying you hope he dies to the guy who's worried sick about him??

That's not "balls" - that's nonsense. And BW finally realized this and made Shepard wise up. It should have been this way from the start, but better late than never.

I felt like in Mass Effect 3 -- BioWare acts upon this assumption that NPC like Garrus and Tali are every players good buddy or girlfriend.

That I'll agree with. It wouldn't have been so bad if they established it from the beginning. If we hate them, we hate them out-of-universe. But this was an inconsistency.

To start off: What Admiral Anderson says to Shep on earth if you did not destroy the Alpha Relay.

Anderson: The sh!t you've done.Any other soldier would have been court martialed--discharged or left to rot in the brig.

Shepard: The sh!t I've done. You mean like steal the Normandy -- mutiny and follow Saren to Illos? Oh wait, that was your idea -- Admiral.

Anderson: No, like working for Cerberus and then operating in Council space.

... and you could easily create a luandry list of laws/regulations broken by Shepard over the course of the ME2 mission when you account for all recruitment and loyalty missions. (Funnily, I remember Saphra made one, wish that old fool were still around here somewhere).

I agree with all of this, I feel much more like a smart badass in ME3 than in the previous 2, then again I never really played my shep as full blown renegade because it seemed too much like a rampaging psycho for me. Granted I did plentry of renegade dialogue options and interrupts and things in general in ME2 but sometimes the renegade dialogue options are just boarderline foolish, IMO. 

[EricHVela]

There were some moments where Shep gets to show juevos without going Canadian Psycho, but those moments have reasonable antagonists just begging for it: Linron, Gerrel, Reaper Destroyer ... and some moments that are unavoidable: intro dialog concerning Alliance council ...

There just seemed like there were missed opportunities for righteous anger and far too many opportunities for random malice.

[ubermensch007]

Okay, I'm about to go work out; but I just wanted to say a few things real quick:

@The Mercenary 55: I'm not anti-authority.As I stated in my OP, I believe that in ME3 the first human Spectre should have been known as Supreme Allied Commander Shepard -- akin to General Dwight D. Eisenhower of World War 2.

If the Alliance treated General Williams as they did after he surrenderd to the turians during The First Contact War.Making Shanxi the "only" human extra solar colony world to be occupied by an alien race.Does it make any sense for a man who failed to protect the Alliance Pariliment and Prime Minister along with the capital of the Systems Alliance--Arcturius Station.A man who by his own admission presided over the greatest naval defeat in human history -- to still have a job!?

The Fifth Fleets sole purpose is to protect and defend Arcturius Station.Hackett is the Admiral of this fleet.So the buck stops there -- as they say.Hackett's one and only great acheivement is having a skill at getting promoted. The Known Asscociates Codex even says this about him.As for any other Career Highlights.There's little data on that. <_<

And as for Anderson... He may be the "first" N7 Graduate but Shepard is the "best". There is not  another field agent (In the entire Mass Effect Galaxy) with as much success at high risk operations as Commander Shepard.

If I just were to bring up a portion of all that Shep and his team did in 2183:

- Prevented a nucelar holocaust on Eden Prime.

- Exposed Saren Arterious as a rogue Spectre.

- Stopped a cosmic collision on Terra Nova.

- Defended the Feros Colonist from geth invaders, freed them from thorian control.

- Defeated Matriarch Benezia and her Asari Commandoes on Noveria -- either saved or killed the Rachni Queen.

- Shepard and the STG destroyed Saren's Krogan Cloning Facility even though they were ridicuolosly outnumbered and outgunned.

- Shepard surpassed the top marks of all other Pinnacle Station challengers.

- Halted the geths progress in the Attican Traverse by taking out all geth outpost.

- Mananged to get past Saren's fleet and land on Illos. Retrieve vital intel from the Prothean VI Vigil and follow Saren through the Conduit.

- Defeat Saren, thrawt Sovereign and delay the Reaper Invasion for years.

Miranda acknowledges that Shepard was great before Cerberus revived him. Grunt says that Shepard has no equal. Legion was sent by the geth to find Shepard, because he was the most successful at fighting Soveriegn, Saren and his geth allies.Kahlee Sanders even tells us at Grissom Academy that Admiral David Anderson himself says that Commander Shepard is the the best. Javik tells Shepard that he is the exemplar of this extiction cycle.
What I'm saying here is not hyperboyle. It is a statement of fact.

This is all just a portion of Commander Shepard's Career Highlights.You know, I said at the end of my OP.
"I don't know what Shepard is in ME3." I do now. Shepard is akin to Lebron James when he was with the Cleavland Cavillers. Lebron is a physical marvel.A phenom.But as good as he is.He could not carry that team by himself.So he went to another team, which had players he could get more done with.The Miami Heat.

Bruce Willis may have said it best in Armageddon. "You brought me here because someone told you that I was the best.Well I'm only the best because I work with the best."

Do you realize that once we get to London in ME3.Shepard and Co. receive virtually no assistance in completing their objective from Anderson and whomever.London is nothing like Thessia.Were the asari soldiers totally had Shepard's back.Providing air support (the Gunship pilots) Sharpshooters (the asari sniper) and the nice asari at Outpost Tykis even provided Shep with cover fire.

When Shep get's to London.His team takes out the Hades Cannon and are rescued by Anderson and Coates.But after that Shep and Co. are on their own... I don't know about you but when Anderson didn't even managed to come to Shepard's aid during the Thannix Missles part. Man... I was like WTF Anderson!?

I have more to say, but i got to go work out.

@ReggarBlane: Missed opportunites for Shep to show "Righteous Anger" is kind of exactly what I'm talking about.I'm not saying that Shep should have done stuff for the lulz.

HYR 2.0 wrote: I remember that line. I also remember Mordin's response: telling Shepard he's being a short-sighted fool. Which is exactly my point. A lot of this "badass" that some Shepards could supposedly be in the past was just ******. You're there to save Maelon, it IS the mission, and you're
saying you hope he dies to the guy who's worried sick about him??

Err... But last time I checked Mordin came over to Maelon's way of thinking.What with him trying to cure the genophage and all in 2186. And Shepard had everyright to say that the Modified Genophage Project that Mordin was a part of was wrong.When you consider that this was a unilateral decision that the Salarian Union made without the knowledge of the Council.And if history has shown anything it is that salarians are the ones who have a tendeancy to play the part of short-sighted fools. What with them being largely responsible for the Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions and now their trying to uplift the yahg.

Yeah right -- were going to Tuchannka to save Maelon, expect that when we get there Mordin tries to kill him. Shepard has every right to say to Mordin that I'm not about to risk my ass to save some colleague of yours who in my opinion is a war criminal.

Mordin may have cared about Maelon, but his greater concern was the political ramifications for his people and government if Maelon by way of torture revealed what the salarians did.If the krogan and other Council races found out about the Modified Genophage Project.The Salarian Union would have had alot of explaining to do.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 15 mai 2012 - 07:50 .

[CARL_DF90]

Yeah, I hear ya' OP. It's like Bioware just sped through Shep's lines. "Auto-dialogue hell" people around here have been calling it.

[ubermensch007]

zapphoman24 wrote...

I wish there was an renegade option to put Javik in his place...

" Enough Javik! I get it! Your people would of done things differently! The problem with that is your people are dead. Your the only one left so obviously the way Protheans did things didn't work."

I hear ya, but I also have to say; Thank God for Javik. :innocent: For if you destroyed Maelon's Genophage Cure Data and are unapologetic to Wrex about it.When Wrex starts talking all this smack about what he could have would have should have done to Shepard during their showdown on Virmire. Javik is the only squadmember who stands  forward to defend Commander Shepard's honor as if he were part of his krannt.

Wrex: I could've put you in the ground that day, Shepard. But I didn't. Don't make me regret that.

(Shepard stays silent. Javik's response.)

Javik: Stop wasting our time with idle threats.

Wrex: Who said it was idle?

Javik: If its otherwise. Then I look forward to seeing the color of  krogan blood.

That's what's up. And seeing how Javik has that sensory ability of his.I think he knows what he's talking about. Am I the only one who found it interesting how Wrex starts getting all loud with Shepard.Its like he's scared of Shep and he's trying to psche himself up or  hide his fear by raising his voice.

All Liara says here is : We use to be friends once.

All Garrus says is: Something about bad blood -- blah blah blah.

I understand why Shepard holds his tongue.He's not remotely intmidated by Wrex.He's traded blows with a yahg for crying out loud.And there like three times the size of krogan.Commander Shepard holds his tongue.Because he refuses to let his ego seize the moment. But last time I checked we are suppose to be the ones directing Shepard's response.

If BioWare wishes to restore their fans faith in there products they need to make it clear that in these games you can make choices that are either productive or counter-productive. You should not just be forced to play nice with everyone. F*ck the krogan! Wrex is a goddamn traitor.It never seems to occur to him, that if the krogan don't come to the aid of the turians than the turians can not come to the aid of humans. You know Shepard's people.

It kills me (if your in friend mode with Wrex in  ME3)  how Wrex keeps goimng on about how Shepard has been a friend to the krogan people and from this day forward the name Shepard will mean 'Hero". But what have the krogan been to humanity. Nothing.Shepard risk his ass to help Lieutenant Tarquin Victus prevent Cerberus from detonating a megaton class bomb on Tuchnanka. Wrex ev en acknowledges to Shep in 2185 that Shepard made the rise of Urdnot possible. After taking out Clan Werloc, Clan Urdnot becomes stonger because of it.But because Shepard disagrees with Wrex about curing the genophage during a galactic war with the Reapers.He has to die.

And Wrex is such a f*cking coward.That he tries to shoot an unarmed Commander Shepard in the face on the Citadel. And here I thought the krogan were judged by the strentgh of thier enemies.If Wrex now sees Shepard as such.You would think that he would want to defeat him in a glorious battle.Not in some punk ass way.

But Wrex doesn't stop there.He pulls krogan support from the turians even though they had nothing to do with the deal that Shepard makes with the salarian Dalatross. How f*cked up is that.

@CARL_DF90 Word...

Now here's an example of what I feel would have been a better response by Commander Shepard to the VS during their heated scene in the Cerberus Coup.

Shepard: Lieutenant Commander Williams. Your outnumbered. Your outgunned. (Then the camera zooms in close to Shepard's face -- and he says) Your outclassed. Stand down. I won't say it again!

Modifié par ubermensch007, 15 mai 2012 - 11:17 .

[CARL_DF90]

Yeah! There were sooo many times I wanted a renegade interrupt to smack the VS upside the head for being stupid, Leroy Jethro Gibbs style!

[CARL_DF90]

*wonders if anyone caught the NCIS reference*

[ubermensch007]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

*wonders if anyone caught the NCIS reference*

LOL. For some reason I didn't connect the dots; even though I've seen a good share of NCIS episodes. Jethro's name just didn't ring a bell for some reason.And he hits whicha-ma-call-it in the head in an affectionate way (for the most part).I wanted to punch Kaidan in the face when he looks at Shep the way he does after the Cerberus Coup and talks about "acting with integrity" as if Shepard murdered Udina or something. <_<

Now here's another moment with the Virmire Survivor where I give Shep new dialogue: (Mars Archives Mission)

Kaidan: Shepard I need a straight answer. Do you know why Cerberus is here?

Shepard: No. I don't know! In case you didn't have access to the file Kaidan. Cerberus operates in 'task-oriented cells.' One cell has no knowledge of what the others are doing.I was assigned to the Lazarus Cell. Our mission was to find out who was responsible for the human colony attacks in the Terminus System and stop them. And we were successful at this... While I was working with Cerberus, I encountered two other cells: Project Firewalker and Project Overlord. And neither one of them, took hostile action like this -- towards either the Council or Alliance interest.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 16 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Oh, if only the entire game didn't suffer from this linear malady. I believe it has less to do with badass quotient and more to do with narrow writing and a general blase attitude regarding content.

But ETA: bravo for adding new dialog 

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 16 mai 2012 - 12:54 .

[ZombieGambit]

Being rude and sounding like an idiot got old in ME1 and 2, in ME3 the the renegade responses are more tempered, but being a renegade is true to the definition, which is being a traitor. You can betray a lot of your current and ex squadmates.

Like Mordin, Wrex, Ashley or Kaidan, Tali, and Legion. That's a true renegade.

Modifié par ZombieGambit, 16 mai 2012 - 01:28 .

[ubermensch007]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Being rude and sounding like an idiot got old in ME1 and 2, in ME3 the the renegade responses are more tempered, but being a renegade is true to the definition, which is being a traitor. You can betray a lot of your current and ex squadmates.

Like Mordin, Wrex, Ashley or Kaidan, Tali, and Legion. That's a true renegade.

Okay whoah. Just whoah... hold on a minute.

The only one who get's betrayed in ME3 is Shepard-Commander.

Mordin betrays every STG member that gave their life to disperse the modified genophage.

Wrex betrays Shepard by saying  f*ck earth. By refusing to come to the aid of the turians unless the genophage is cured.

The Virmire Survivor points their gun at a fellow Spectre.(Not just a fellow Spectre. The first human Spectre -- at that.) And treats Shepard as though he is a traitor, even though they know that Admiral Anderson reinstated Shepard back into the Alliance and the Council upholds Commander Shepard Spectre status.

Tali may have been between a rock and a hard place.But she's one of the biggest traitors of all.For she knew that Legion and the 'true" Geth were Shepard's most powerful ally against the Reapers. Yet she neither informed Shepard that her people were going to attack the geth or warned Legion.

There is an old saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Another should go with it. "The enemy of my ally is my enemy." By all rights Shepard should have and could have treated the Migrant Fleet as enemy combatants for attacking his allies.

And as for Legion.The (so-called -- true) geth betrayed themselves by deciding to use the Reaper Code. The lost of the Dyson Sphere is tragic.The geth abadoning their highest principle -- is worst.

And you mistake me sir. If you think that from my OP that my saying that BioWare needs to give Commander Shepard his balls back. I'm saying there needs to just be more opportunities to go Rengade.

Some of Sheps most badass moments from the previous games happen to be quite a few Paragon moments. Like when Shep punches Zaeed in the face on his Loyalty Mission and says, "I ought to knock your ass out." And if you chosse "Forget loyalty." Shep gets in Zaeed's face and says, "Were saving these people." Later on it is (I believe) Paragon Shep who talks about how Zaeed should burn in the fire he started. And its Paragon Shep who can still earn Zaeed's respect and loyalty.And after the mission is over, Kasumi commends Shep for standing up to Zaeed.

@Dont Kaidan Me I just looked up what ETA means. "Edited to Add" Thanks for the compliment. (If that was directed at what I wrote )

Modifié par ubermensch007, 16 mai 2012 - 02:18 .

[CARL_DF90]

Again, good points ubermensch007.

[Yuqi]

Commander Shepard doesn't have balls.

[Sundance31us]

It's a matter of interpretation and RPG; few gamers are likely to see events exactly the same way.