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[Ibian]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's try and keep the politics out of this, and keep it about Dragon Age, please.

Can't really keep politics out of an inherently political topic. Be reasonable, even if it is not part of your job description.

[Adria Teksuni]

Why is Dragon Age: Origins still rated Mature even if it has no nudity cannot be discussed without bringing in politics? Mmkay.

[ct1615]

sex in a game is not a mature thing, its the exact opposite

they put in for the fat guys living in their mom's basement who can't get a girl's number if they offered a fist full of $50's

Modifié par ct1615, 10 décembre 2009 - 09:48 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Ibian wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's try and keep the politics out of this, and keep it about Dragon Age, please.

 Be reasonable, even if it is not part of your job description.

Wow, you just continue digging that hole for yourself, don't you?

[MerinTB]

ct1615 wrote...

sex in a game is not a mature thing, its the exact opposite

they put in for the fat guys living in their mom's basement who can't get a girl's number if they offered a fist full of $50's

and...

reported.

Ad hominem attacks.  They are insults, and they are against site policy.

[MonkeyLungs]

I didn't read this thread but I just wanted to say that I have always found it odd that in the USA (I have lived in 3 different countries throughout my life but hail from USA) censorship is most strong in regards to sex and nudity. Violence and depravity abound but don't you dare show a ******.

[Badger8126]

ct1615 wrote...

sex in a game is not a mature thing, its the exact opposite

they put in for the fat guys living in their mom's basement who can't get a girl's number if they offered a fist full of $50's

I agree, sex or nudity wil never be mature content in a game.
The most mature thing I've found in this game so far are the bitter sweet goodbyes.

[Ibian]

The problem is that most people who believe nipples are evil evil things that will destroy their poor little kids souls, think that way for religious reasons. And it's not possible to reason with religion, by definition. So in the end, we are left with pointing fingers and laughing at eachother.

[SheffSteel]

You have to realise when thinking about this sort of issue that Europe has exported shiploads (checks spelling... yup) of religious fanatics to North America over the centuries. This may go some way to explaining why nudity is so frowned upon in the New World compared to the Old.

[EJ42]

Ibian wrote...

The problem is that most people who believe nipples are evil evil things that will destroy their poor little kids souls, think that way for religious reasons. And it's not possible to reason with religion, by definition. So in the end, we are left with pointing fingers and laughing at eachother.

That's a very bigoted point of view.

Many religious people are quite reasonable.  It's sad that you are so closed/narrow-minded.

You see the media's view of religion, and you buy into it.  Show me where the bad [random religious person] touched you.

You can have an adult-oriented game without including nudity or even any sexual content of any kind.  It's very disappointing to have so many (hopefully teenagers) people so focused on the idea that the only thing that matters is sex.  That is probably one of the reasons it's such a big deal over here.  If it matters so much to you that it be included, then it's only logical to assume it will matter just as much to others that it is not.  If you were indifferent to it, then it may not be such a big deal.

I just think it's so silly that people seem to give so much focus to nudity without regard to the other thematic material.  You can include brothels, violent rape, child abduction, and murder, but the minute someone starts talking about naked breasts, someone gets upset.  I suppose Bioware could remove all of the violence from the game, replacing it with a naked breasts simulator, and you'd be perfectly pleased?

Adult games include adult topics.  They include material that might be too disturbing or possibly boring/confusing to children.  Children should be wandering about in a happy world, collecting magical creaturepets.

If you're playing this game on XBox or PS3, then...well...you didn't exactly buy a PornBox360 or PornStation3.  Get a PC, and mod the game to your heart's content.

[MonkeyLungs]

If there can be gratuitous decapitations and blood and gore and killing and demon infestations and backstabbing nobles and religious zealots I don't see any reason OTHER THAN BIASED CENSORSHIP for not having some gratuitous boobies and nipples and maybe even an erect Allistair C*** for the ladies, or guys that like C***.



Seriously violence is cool nudity is deranged is a f***ed up thought pattern that permeates American society.



Here's a clue as well. None of the material in the game is inherently mature or immature. It's entertainment for entertainment's sake. Some humans decided only humans of ceratin ages are safe to access certain entertainment, other humans fall in line and agree. If Bio thought they could have the sex scenes in DA:O fully nude without getting an Adult's Only rating for their game they would have done it.

[s5134195]

I must admit, the first reason I bought this game was to save a fantasy land as a dwarf. Not to witness tacky sex scenes.



My own personal view on it is this: War is horrible, and Dragon Age adequately portrays the awfulness of it through the tragic deaths, and the horrible conflicts including blood and gore. I come away from certain conflicts thinking "I could have prevented that if I had been able to persuade them..." with an odd twist in my stomach. I enjoy being a hero and slaying villainous, bloodthirsty creatures and slaying monsters while defending the innocent, but the cost has its effects. My personal ethics and morals are tried when I run into Sten's alien mindset, and the banterings of the religious Leliana and the cynical, atheistic Morrigan. The game causes me to sit there and think as I carefully respond to each conversation or circumstance... I think that overall, the experience has been exceptional.



Do I think violence is ok or acceptable? No. Do I like blood and gore and decapitations? No. But, the game is a tale of epic battle and the saving of a nation. War is and has been a very public and traumatizing thing. I think BioWare did well here, perhaps a little on the extreme side with the gore.



As for the sex, I think that inconsequential, wanton and loose physical relationships give a genuinely skewed image of the reality that we live in. I did not appreciate it, and shy away from it in my own playthroughs. It is a fantasy game, and therefore I tolerate the allowance of fantasy relationships, but for myself, I find it very cheapened and tacky. I do enjoy the relationships between the characters, and am interested in watching them develop, but unless sex has any other bearing than the obvious for the geeks of this day and age, I personally consider it in poor taste.



The whole violence vs. nudity is rather irritating. If you want to roleplay a hero and a saviour, then the rationale for slaying mindless monsters, fiendish demons and corrupt politicians and facing the difficult consequences in order to save the world is apparent. If you want to be a rake and bed three members of your party in as realistic a fashion as possible, barring the realistic consequences... Well, to each their own. Have to say I prefer one to the other.

[WKWBlank]

Actually I'm 15 and I have no illusions about torture, sex etc. I did find the broodmother scene a bit sick but not scary at all. I wouldn't like nudity put in the game cause some people would play the game (especially xbox/ps3 versions) in a public room, with friends/family nearby, at parties etc. and it would be embarrassing if there was nudity. I didn't find any part particularly gruesome other than the broodmother scene which was sick. Arl Howe's torture dungeon was fine but it would have been disgusting if the guy you save getting tortured had his penis out so...

I found Zevran's dialogue pretty funny, I know about sexualities etc, there's nothing wrong with that. The game is better without nudity and how could you make an RPG video game like this for adults only. You mean you want Bioware to make an RPG that teenagers can't play just because you want to see ******? Seriously? 

Modifié par WKWBlank, 11 décembre 2009 - 01:34 .

[Dahelia]

WKWBlank wrote...

Actually I'm 15 and I have no illusions about torture, sex etc. I did find the broodmother scene a bit sick but not scary at all. I wouldn't like nudity put in the game cause some people would play the game (especially xbox/ps3 versions) in a public room, with friends/family nearby, at parties etc. and it would be embarrassing if there was nudity. I didn't find any part particularly gruesome other than the broodmother scene which was sick. Arl Howe's torture dungeon was fine but it would have been disgusting if the guy you save getting tortured had his penis out so...

Wait...so it is embarassing to play the game and then have nudity or do the sex scene but not embarassing to kill a child and fight the disgusting broodmother? Whaaaa....????

[Borys the Dragon]

Representations of sex and nudity are not important, which is why it bemuses me that they were not included. Not doing so detracts from the suspension of disbelief. Imagine a series like "Rome" without the sex and nudity; it is just not a realistic depiction of the time. DA:O is supposed to be 'realistic' fantasy but we are again treated like naughty children trying to catch a glimpse. Non-sexual nudity is healthy and normal, why do wer keep making it something that it isn't?

[The Amazing Thornado]

Dahelia wrote...

WKWBlank wrote...

Actually I'm 15 and I have no illusions about torture, sex etc. I did find the broodmother scene a bit sick but not scary at all. I wouldn't like nudity put in the game cause some people would play the game (especially xbox/ps3 versions) in a public room, with friends/family nearby, at parties etc. and it would be embarrassing if there was nudity. I didn't find any part particularly gruesome other than the broodmother scene which was sick. Arl Howe's torture dungeon was fine but it would have been disgusting if the guy you save getting tortured had his penis out so...

Wait...so it is embarassing to play the game and then have nudity or do the sex scene but not embarassing to kill a child and fight the disgusting broodmother? Whaaaa....????

Grotesque abominations that mock the form of human are hardly anything special. Frankly, I'm waiting for the DLC that pits us against an Ogre Broodmother.

[Dahelia]

The Amazing Thornado wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

WKWBlank wrote...

Actually I'm 15 and I have no illusions about torture, sex etc. I did find the broodmother scene a bit sick but not scary at all. I wouldn't like nudity put in the game cause some people would play the game (especially xbox/ps3 versions) in a public room, with friends/family nearby, at parties etc. and it would be embarrassing if there was nudity. I didn't find any part particularly gruesome other than the broodmother scene which was sick. Arl Howe's torture dungeon was fine but it would have been disgusting if the guy you save getting tortured had his penis out so...

Wait...so it is embarassing to play the game and then have nudity or do the sex scene but not embarassing to kill a child and fight the disgusting broodmother? Whaaaa....????

Grotesque abominations that mock the form of human are hardly anything special. Frankly, I'm waiting for the DLC that pits us against an Ogre Broodmother.

Oh...dear bambi....O.O

[Bullets McDeath]

I think pursuing the romance scenes would be uncomfortable enough with family around, even without the nudity... but I can't really imagine playing the game around other people either, I would constantly be telling them to shut up and quit distracting me, oi.

[MerinTB]

EJ42 wrote...

You see the media's view of religion, and you buy into it.  Show me where the bad [random religious person] touched you.

I believe in Uganda they are considering passing a law that states you will be imprisioned or killed if you are homosexual.  Where, if not religion, did they get the need to persecute homosexuals?

There have been quite a few abortion doctors killed by religious fanatics.

Waco.

Not all religious people, no, but too many religious people.

You can have an adult-oriented game without including nudity or even any sexual content of any kind.  It's very disappointing to have so many (hopefully teenagers) people so focused on the idea that the only thing that matters is sex.  That is probably one of the reasons it's such a big deal over here.  If it matters so much to you that it be included, then it's only logical to assume it will matter just as much to others that it is not.  If you were indifferent to it, then it may not be such a big deal.

Not a teen-ager.  And why do you assume because we take the time to post in a forum thread that we are "so focused" on it?  If one of us started a grass-roots organization, and worked 8-10 hours a day making phone calls and sending letters to Bioware, THAT would be "so focused."  Posting several times a week in a forum thread?  That's passing fancy.

So, because gay people REALLY want to be able to get married is the only reason homphobes want to make it illegal for them to get married?  If gay people didn't care it wouldn't be a deal?

I know, let's use the reverse.  Religious leaders, senators, and paranoid over-protective moms can stop worrying about sex and violence in video games - and magically much fewer people will want to experience such games!  Brilliant!

I just think it's so silly that people seem to give so much focus to nudity without regard to the other thematic material.  You can include brothels, violent rape, child abduction, and murder, but the minute someone starts talking about naked breasts, someone gets upset.  I suppose Bioware could remove all of the violence from the game, replacing it with a naked breasts simulator, and you'd be perfectly pleased?

I can't speak for everyone, but I wouldn't.  Playing through the romance and seeing the sex scene shown to me, however, I'd like the actual scene to be a bit less laugh-inducing.

Adult games include adult topics.  They include material that might be too disturbing or possibly boring/confusing to children.  Children should be wandering about in a happy world, collecting magical creaturepets.

You know, adult games can also be just too complex for younger kids to be able to PLAY.  A young child (pre-adolescent) can play Hungry Hungry Hippos but Chess is probably beyond them, and don't even try to teach them Magic the Gathering.  Does that suddenly mean that Chess has material that only an adult should be allowed to witness?

An adult game can be poker or chess, games that more mature people prefer to play as opposed to shooting video games or playing with action figures.  That doesn't mean adults can't play with action figures or that children can't play poker - it's just where general interests and level of sophistication of interests lie.

And children should not live in a happy world collecting magical creaturepets.  That kind of crap (gotta catch'em all) is going nowhere near my kid, nor is Barney or Wiggles or anything else that insipid.  Safe for kids doesn't have to be mind-meltingly-moronic and sickeningly sophmoric.

If you're playing this game on XBox or PS3, then...well...you didn't
exactly buy a PornBox360 or PornStation3.  Get a PC, and mod the game
to your heart's content.

Or they could have released the game with the nudity and a switch to turn it off.  OR they could have released the game with the nudity and YOU could use your PC copy to mod the game to your (seemingly, since you are arguing this) happy, magical creature catching worldview.

We get it - you don't see the NEED for adults to have sex nor nudity in games.  Got it.  There's also no NEED for sex nor nudity to be depicted in movies.  There's also no NEED for sex nor nudity to be described in books.  Any of those products can exist fine without sex or nudity.

Some adults, however, prefer watching HBO because cursing, violence, nudity and sex in their serialized dramas make them more visceral.  Some people like Lenny Bruce (RIP), George Carlin (RIP) or Kevin Smith because they are free with language and not censored.  You are not superior because you choose not to experience it.  But you have every right to avoid it.

Stop telling us what we don't need.  All we don't need is people like you insulting our motives, maturity, intelligence and morality.

Modifié par MerinTB, 11 décembre 2009 - 02:25 .

[Adanu]

Dahelia wrote...

fro7k wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

So wait...you are complaining about no nudity??? Is that really a big problem in the game...truthfully....?

It's part of the package.  I would have liked to see female nudity, but that's not the point.  It's not being deprived of nudity that bothers me, but the lameness of attempting to cover up nudity that was there and the judgement it implies.

So murdering children, blood, gore, lust, etc...is not adult enough for you? You actually have to see the ****** and everything else too? Just so you know, you don't jump into bed nude to sleep with your partner, think of what you are seeing as the foreplay before the sex. If you need to see the nudeness download the mods they have out for it.

It's called immersion, you may want to learn it someday before you pass judgment.

[Dahelia]

Adanu wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

fro7k wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

So wait...you are complaining about no nudity??? Is that really a big problem in the game...truthfully....?

It's part of the package.  I would have liked to see female nudity, but that's not the point.  It's not being deprived of nudity that bothers me, but the lameness of attempting to cover up nudity that was there and the judgement it implies.

So murdering children, blood, gore, lust, etc...is not adult enough for you? You actually have to see the ****** and everything else too? Just so you know, you don't jump into bed nude to sleep with your partner, think of what you are seeing as the foreplay before the sex. If you need to see the nudeness download the mods they have out for it.

It's called immersion, you may want to learn it someday before you pass judgment.

I'm not the one sitting her complaining because I can't see ****** or a male's member....saying the game is not adult enough...so what? Download the mod for it, it is programmed in the game, they just decided not to do it because the game is not about ****** and everything else...sex is just one part of the game not the whole game.

[Roadside]

After been to war and still alive, I am happy to tell you all, that in war there will always be sex, so kudo for the sex scene in dragon age. The spoil of war will always booze and women (men for wome since they fight in ware as well). If you don't like the sex scene in Dargon Age you have a choice not open the dialogue that leads to it. Quit whining about sex in this war epic and just enjoy the game. Bioware, thanks for this splendid immersion epic, it left me feeling sad with watery eyes and only a few games does that to me. I looking forward to revival of the hero as a result of using the ash from the urn, and ph yes, hopefully he will find the shape shifter who is bearing his (my) child. Lots more love scene please

[DragonRageGT]

ct1615 wrote...

sex in a game is not a mature thing, its the exact opposite

they put in for the fat guys living in their mom's basement who can't get a girl's number if they offered a fist full of $50's

And there I was fighting a crazy guy in you tube forum about the gay sex scene, one who have said we were all ****ed up because we all played a "porn toon sex" game... when the game has no porn and is not about the sex anyway...

If I want to see "stuff"... I ask my wife to do me a pole dance and she's really good at it! Don't have a wife? Get a girlfriend, boyfriend, doll friend, whatever!

Now, I cannot go, or rather should not go, severing heads out in the streets with my greatsword, can I? (there are some better ways too... ask some crazy kids in some american high schools.. and it's has spread all over the world now!)

Sexual suggestive content that takes some 10 minutes in a 100 hours game is rather different from porn-game and while I really enjoy sex and fought that guy in the tubes for his absurd comments on this game (which he never played... just saw that vid of Jimmy whatever show), it is rather sad to see that he was right, to some extent.