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[Dahelia]

Roadside wrote...

After been to war and still alive, I am happy to tell you all, that in war there will always be sex, so kudo for the sex scene in dragon age. The spoil of war will always booze and women (men for wome since they fight in ware as well). If you don't like the sex scene in Dargon Age you have a choice not open the dialogue that leads to it. Quit whining about sex in this war epic and just enjoy the game. Bioware, thanks for this splendid immersion epic, it left me feeling sad with watery eyes and only a few games does that to me. I looking forward to revival of the hero as a result of using the ash from the urn, and ph yes, hopefully he will find the shape shifter who is bearing his (my) child. Lots more love scene please

That wasn't what anyone was complaining about (Well not me), it is the fact that they can't see the people naked.

[RoninOmega]

Because as mod said, countries like australia or singapore might ban it.  Mass effect I heard got banned from singapore but they changed their minds as the months past, so now u see it in singapore




Anyways if u really want full on nudity, get mods, use mods, or make a mod

just look at oblivion...  then again, almost every modder is dedicated to modding oblivion, tho their a bit crazy at times...

[cipher86]

Because IRL ****** are beautiful in the right context but if used outside of that they are crude and repulsive, save for a few situations.

That is how the Western world currently operates, and this is where Bioware operates.  If you don't like it, participate more IRL in hopes of seeing a pair, and spend less time in DA:O expecting developers to cater to your basement-dwelling needs, even though it'll hurt their bottom line.

Modifié par cipher86, 11 décembre 2009 - 04:01 .

[The Amazing Thornado]

I wish the developers would just put the nudity in the vanilla version.



Maybe then the modders would direct their attention to producing something of worth and not some silly and poorly proportioned nude models.

[RoninOmega]

cipher86 wrote...

Because IRL ****** are beautiful in the right context but if used outside of that they are crude and repulsive, save for a few situations.

That is how the Western world currently operates, and this is where Bioware operates.  If you don't like it, participate more IRL in hopes of seeing a pair, and spend less time in DA:O expecting developers to cater to your basement-dwelling needs, even though it'll hurt their bottom line.

Exactly

[Dahelia]

The Amazing Thornado wrote...

I wish the developers would just put the nudity in the vanilla version.

Maybe then the modders would direct their attention to producing something of worth and not some silly and poorly proportioned nude models.

Natural Bodies is a good mod, though some of it can be fixed...the Elf Male would make you laugh, though...this is the only mod I found with both male and female nudity, everything else just wants to show the female...x.x

[cipher86]

Dahelia wrote...
blah blah blah

this is the only mod I found with both male and female nudity, everything else just wants to show the female...x.x

There's a good reason for that:

http://social.biowar...8061/polls/851/

[The Amazing Thornado]

cipher86 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
blah blah blah

this is the only mod I found with both male and female nudity, everything else just wants to show the female...x.x

There's a good reason for that:

http://social.biowar...8061/polls/851/

I am appalled. This poll does not adaquetly reflect nonsexual individuals, and thus, is invalid.

[Dahelia]

cipher86 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
blah blah blah

this is the only mod I found with both male and female nudity, everything else just wants to show the female...x.x

There's a good reason for that:

http://social.biowar...8061/polls/851/

Yeah yeah...I get it..mostly men play this game and they want to see the ******. I get it...but what about me??? I want to see the guy's member XDXD No seriously..have you looked at that mod??? Wtf is up with the Elf? XD

[cipher86]

Dahelia wrote...

I want to see the guy's member XDXD

If you send me a PM with yours, I'll send you a PM with mine.

[Dahelia]

cipher86 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

I want to see the guy's member XDXD

If you send me a PM with yours, I'll send you a PM with mine.

But I don't have a member >.< Plus I was being sarcastic

[cipher86]

Dahelia wrote...
But I don't have a member >.< Plus I was being sarcastic

You don't?  I assumed you did, since all women online are men.  Not that I make a habit out of checking what other men are packing, but I was going to make an exception in your case for... research.

[Dahelia]

cipher86 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
But I don't have a member >.< Plus I was being sarcastic

You don't?  I assumed you did, since all women online are men.  Not that I make a habit out of checking what other men are packing, but I was going to make an exception in your case for... research.

I'm a woman, I can assure you of that one. I do have a fiance though, I guess I could ask him to send you a picture of his member...lol

[cipher86]

Dahelia wrote...

I'm a woman, I can assure you of that one. I do have a fiance though, I guess I could ask him to send you a picture of his member...lol

Sorry, I don't go for married men.  I wish I could, but... morals, y'know.

Modifié par cipher86, 11 décembre 2009 - 04:16 .

[Dahelia]

cipher86 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

I'm a woman, I can assure you of that one. I do have a fiance though, I guess I could ask him to send you a picture of his member...lol

Sorry, I don't go for married men.

Ok

[EJ42]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

I just think it's so silly that people seem to give so much focus to nudity without regard to the other thematic material.  You can include brothels, violent rape, child abduction, and murder, but the minute someone starts talking about naked breasts, someone gets upset.  I suppose Bioware could remove all of the violence from the game, replacing it with a naked breasts simulator, and you'd be perfectly pleased?

What is this even supposed to mean?  What point is he trying to make with this statement?

My point is that the game is "adult" enough even without the need for nudity.

Why must all adult-marketed content include nudity?

Maybe some of us don't want to look at that all the time.  Maybe we prefer to use our own imaginations.  So many movies in the past did "love scenes" so well.  Everything leading up to the moment that the camera pans away.  A truly experienced adult will know what comes next.

I suppose it's the difference between a book and a movie.  Those of you who don't read books would probably be much more disappointed than the rest of us by not seeing everything in full visual splendor.

Perhaps it's a maturity thing, or perhaps it's an imagination thing.

In any case, I suppose I can imagine a situation where someone might want to play on a laptop in a less-than-private location where on-screen nudity would be...uncomfortable.  I simply don't see the need for it.  It doesn't really add anything to the game.  Besides, there are already mods out that cover this very complaint quite well.

[Adanu]

Dahelia wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

fro7k wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

So wait...you are complaining about no nudity??? Is that really a big problem in the game...truthfully....?

It's part of the package.  I would have liked to see female nudity, but that's not the point.  It's not being deprived of nudity that bothers me, but the lameness of attempting to cover up nudity that was there and the judgement it implies.

So murdering children, blood, gore, lust, etc...is not adult enough for you? You actually have to see the ****** and everything else too? Just so you know, you don't jump into bed nude to sleep with your partner, think of what you are seeing as the foreplay before the sex. If you need to see the nudeness download the mods they have out for it.

It's called immersion, you may want to learn it someday before you pass judgment.

I'm not the one sitting her complaining because I can't see ****** or a male's member....saying the game is not adult enough...so what? Download the mod for it, it is programmed in the game, they just decided not to do it because the game is not about ****** and everything else...sex is just one part of the game not the whole game.

You just completely missed the point. It isn't about whether or not the game has ******, it's about the game being of an adult nature, yet pandering to the idea that nudity is still wrong, even if the game is adult. That's immaturity that breaks immersion.

If you can't figure that out, then I feel very sorry for you.

[Bryy_Miller]

I get it, and I don't agree with your conclusion at all.

[Seraphael]

SheffSteel wrote...

Some societies do indeed feel that sex is just as bad as violence. In Uganada, for example, there may soon be a law providing the death penatly for gay people, if they get involved in a relationship with an under-18.

That's because they're bigots when it comes to esp. male homosexuality, not sex in general. Obviously, this is Africa. Do you have a real example?

[Dahelia]

Adanu wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

fro7k wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

So wait...you are complaining about no nudity??? Is that really a big problem in the game...truthfully....?

It's part of the package.  I would have liked to see female nudity, but that's not the point.  It's not being deprived of nudity that bothers me, but the lameness of attempting to cover up nudity that was there and the judgement it implies.

So murdering children, blood, gore, lust, etc...is not adult enough for you? You actually have to see the ****** and everything else too? Just so you know, you don't jump into bed nude to sleep with your partner, think of what you are seeing as the foreplay before the sex. If you need to see the nudeness download the mods they have out for it.

It's called immersion, you may want to learn it someday before you pass judgment.

I'm not the one sitting her complaining because I can't see ****** or a male's member....saying the game is not adult enough...so what? Download the mod for it, it is programmed in the game, they just decided not to do it because the game is not about ****** and everything else...sex is just one part of the game not the whole game.

You just completely missed the point. It isn't about whether or not the game has ******, it's about the game being of an adult nature, yet pandering to the idea that nudity is still wrong, even if the game is adult. That's immaturity that breaks immersion.

If you can't figure that out, then I feel very sorry for you.

riiight.......

[thegreateski]

@OP

If you want porn then just google it off the internet like the rest of us.<_<

[MerinTB]

Seraphael wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...

Some societies do indeed feel that sex is just as bad as violence. In Uganada, for example, there may soon be a law providing the death penatly for gay people, if they get involved in a relationship with an under-18.

That's because they're bigots when it comes to esp. male homosexuality, not sex in general. Obviously, this is Africa. Do you have a real example?

1 - Uganda is making that law at least partially due to American politicians and American religious-based anti-gay groups pushing it.  Ever heard of The Family?

2 - Africa is real.  It is not an imaginary land.  The homosexuals (the law doesn't differentiate between man or woman) who may end up imprisoned or killed will be real people.

What are "real" examples, only ones in the USA?

Matt Shepard. David Harmon. George Tiller.  There's an International Day To End Violence Against Sex Workers celebrated every years since 2003, originally started as a memorial to the Green River Killer's victims in Seattle Washington.
Sex is sex, homosexual or heterosexual. To distiniguish them as different, that violence or taboo against one is not the same as against the other, is the bigoted opinion.  Are homesexuals targetted more?  Yes, due to bigotry - but it is still violence and attitudes about sex - if sex wasn't some sinful thing (outside of procreation) then homosexuality wouldn't be either (due to no procreation, mostly, vis a vis religious beliefs of many.)

thegreateski wrote...

@OP

If you want porn then just google it off the internet like the rest of us.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Why all the gore?  Just rent House of a Thousand Corpses or Faces of Death like the rest of - well, not me.

Why all the fantasy elements?  Just read or watch LotR.

Modifié par MerinTB, 11 décembre 2009 - 08:13 .

[Dahelia]

MerinTB wrote...

Seraphael wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...

Some societies do indeed feel that sex is just as bad as violence. In Uganada, for example, there may soon be a law providing the death penatly for gay people, if they get involved in a relationship with an under-18.

That's because they're bigots when it comes to esp. male homosexuality, not sex in general. Obviously, this is Africa. Do you have a real example?

1 - Uganda is making that law at least partially due to American politicians and American religious-based anti-gay groups pushing it.  Ever heard of The Family?

2 - Africa is real.  It is not an imaginary land.  The homosexuals (the law doesn't differentiate between man or woman) who may end up imprisoned or killed will be real people.

What are "real" examples, only ones in the USA?

Matt Shepard. David Harmon. George Tiller.  There's an International Day To End Violence Against Sex Workers celebrated every years since 2003, originally started as a memorial to the Green River Killer's victims in Seattle Washington.
Sex is sex, homosexual or heterosexual. To distiniguish them as different, that violence or taboo against one is not the same as against the other, is the bigoted opinion.  Are homesexuals targetted more?  Yes, due to bigotry - but it is still violence and attitudes about sex - if sex wasn't some sinful thing (outside of procreation) then homosexuality wouldn't be either (due to no procreation, mostly, vis a vis religious beliefs of many.)

thegreateski wrote...

@OP

If you want porn then just google it off the internet like the rest of us.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Why all the gore?  Just rent House of a Thousand Corpses or Faces of Death like the rest of - well, not me.

Why all the fantasy elements?  Just read or watch LotR.

I hate LOTR....and House of a Thousand Corpses and Face of Death were embarassements....

[Gecon]

Ibian wrote...

She didn't even show her nipples. It's so freakin sad, even for a publicity stunt she had to cover them up.

There is AFAIK no reason to believe Janet Jackson revealed her breasts on purpose. There is even less reason to believe revealed breasts would damage children. I remember seeing a mother feeding her baby when I was a child, and all I thought was "how that really taste like?".

EJ42 wrote...

You can have an adult-oriented game without including nudity or even any sexual content of any kind. [...]

Exactly.

MerinTB wrote...

I believe in Uganda they are considering
passing a law that states you will be imprisioned or killed if you are
homosexual.  Where, if not religion, did they get the need to persecute
homosexuals?

There have been quite a few abortion doctors killed by religious fanatics.

Waco.

Not all religious people, no, but too many religious people.

That is the same braindead logic after which you get called **** in a lot of english speaking forums if you say you're german. Not even my father was even born yet when the ****s ruled germany and did their war, for heavens sake, and my grandparents where no ****s either.

In fact, its 100% **** logic: SOME jews did something, so ALL jews are to blame. Thats pretty much how the ****s argued (and todays neo****s still argue). Plus of course a lot of complaints they had about jews where not even true in the first place.

If I myself would try to protest against the law in Uganda, the people there would point out I'm not even a muslim and therefore I'm an "unbeliever". So why the heck do you end up blaming me personally for ridiculous laws made in Uganda ?

I dont blame you for all the things atheists did. So dont blame me for all the things religious people did.

cipher86 wrote...

Because IRL ****** are beautiful in
the right context but if used outside of that they are crude and
repulsive, save for a few situations.

I know of no context in which breasts turn magically crude and repulsive.

cipher86 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...
blah blah blah

this is the only mod I found with both male and female nudity, everything else just wants to show the female...x.x

There's a good reason for that:

http://social.biowar...8061/polls/851/

Err ? So because I'm male and heterosexual, I want to avoid the sight of male parts at all cost or what ? I frankly dont have any desire to see them. But if a game has female nudity, its really very odd if the males are still running around clothed.

The Amazing Thornado wrote...

I am appalled. This poll does not adaquetly reflect nonsexual individuals, and thus, is invalid.

Also lacks hermaphrodites. And the poll is perfectly correct, hermaphrodites and nonsexual individuals are so rare they can be skipped in a poll that will be happy if it gets 100 votes.

Adanu wrote...

You just completely missed the point. It
isn't about whether or not the game has ******, it's about the game being
of an adult nature, yet pandering to the idea that nudity is still
wrong, even if the game is adult.

I know plenty of books that I wouldnt give to children and teenagers, and dont contain any nudity. "Im Westen nichts Neues" (All Quiet on the Western Front) by Erich Maria Remarque is an example.

That's immaturity that breaks immersion.

So why I'm not surprised you're using the i-word in your weak argument, too.

Modifié par Gecon, 11 décembre 2009 - 08:25 .

[MerinTB]

Gecon wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
I believe in Uganda they are considering
passing a law that states you will be imprisioned or killed if you are
homosexual.  Where, if not religion, did they get the need to persecute
homosexuals?

There have been quite a few abortion doctors killed by religious fanatics.

Waco.

Not all religious people, no, but too many religious people.

That is the same braindead logic after which you get called **** in a lot of english speaking forums if you say you're german. Not even my father was even born yet when the ****s ruled germany and did their war, for heavens sake, and my grandparents where no ****s either.

In fact, its 100% **** logic: SOME jews did something, so ALL jews are to blame. Thats pretty much how the ****s argued (and todays neo****s still argue). Plus of course a lot of complaints they had about jews where not even true in the first place.

Ok, first off, Jewish people were pogrommed and holocausted "because they killed Jesus" - religious reason.  One religious group attacking another religious group because their god said so.  Other reasons involved?  Sure, convenient scapegoat for all the country's problems, but the deep-seated bigotry and racism that existed was due primarily to religious beliefs.

And let me clarify the last sentence you quoted from me as I can see how it might be ambiguous:

Not all religious people are bad because of their religious beliefs (and I would have hoped that it was an unspoken given that all should not be responsible for the actions of some) but too many people do bad things in the name of religious beliefs (also would have hoped that it was an unspoken given that too many doesn't mean the same thing as saying most or even sizable minority).

Gecon wrote...
If I myself would try to protest against the law in Uganda, the people there would point out I'm not even a muslim and therefore I'm an "unbeliever". So why the heck do you end up blaming me personally for ridiculous laws made in Uganda ?

I dont blame you for all the things atheists did. So dont blame me for all the things religious people did.

This is going to come across as an attack but here goes -
there's nothing like complete ignorance, is there?
1 - Uganda's population is over 80% Christian, with over 40% being Roman Catholic.  Islam is not at issue here .
2 - I never blamed you for Uganda, nor Christianity in general - but people doing these sort of things are doing them in the name of religion and that is an incontrovertible fact.
3 - This is an often misunderstood (or blatantly misrepresented) myth, that atheists are immoral.  You find me the sheer numbers of crimes or bad deeds done in the name of atheism, go for it.
Atheists are by far, statistically, less violent and less inclined to criminal activity:

circa 1980
Summary of :
Questionnaires to 769 male US prison inmates ages 17-75 in 20 prisons
in 12 US States.

Whites: 43%

Blacks: 42%

Hispanic: 9%

Christians: 65%, Protestants: 50%

Muslims: 9%

Total Christians and Muslims: 74%

Non-Affiliated: 15% [Non-Affiliated = Undefined, but assumed to be
believers not affiliated with a specific denomination.]

Total Christians + Muslims + Non-Affiliated: 89%

Remainder: 11% [Not specified, but most likely to include nonbelievers—atheists
and agnostics.]
Reference: NCJRS - National Criminal Justice Reference Service

http://www.ncjrs.org


circa 1996
The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of inmates per religion category:

Response Number %
---------------------------- --------
*Judeo-Christian 62594 83.761%
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
*Atheist 156 0.209%
Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).


circa 2001
76.6% - Christian

19.1% - No Religion/Refused to Answer

1.3% - Jewish

0.7% - Other/Not Specified

0.5% - Muslim/Islamic

0.5% - Buddhist

0.4% - Atheist

0.3% - Hindu

0.05% - Native American

0.04% - Bahai

0.027% - Sikh

0.026% - Scientology

0.01% - Santeria

0.005% - Rastafarian


That's just a few sets of statistics you can find of many- but they all show pretty much the same thing.

And before you list Hitler - he was raised Roman Catholic, he publicly praised German Christian culture, he praised Jesus and condemned the Jews for killing Jesus - and there's even some evidence (arguably not good) that he believed in non-Christian occult stuff too.

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So before you start attacking atheists and spouting off factually inaccurate statements about countries you obviously know little about (I know, I know, Africa is a brown place and Uganda is in Africa so they must be Muslims, right?) maybe you should just stop and double check your facts.

Anywho - I again bring up (ad naseum I'm afraid) that I would have preferred a fade to black to what we got, so please don't call me a pervert.  I guess I'll settle for brain-dead.

Modifié par MerinTB, 11 décembre 2009 - 09:29 .