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[Ibian]

I am offended at the western worlds morality. Killing people and being covered in blood is far worse than seeing some ******.

[XOGHunter246]

This is why is it rated 18 so nobody can complain majority of people would think blood and gore is adult and sexual contact. Also not all parents want their kids viewing this so it's understandable it rated 18.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 09 décembre 2009 - 01:14 .

[pathenry]

This game presents itself as being for adults, and then fails to deliver a bit of harmless titillation.

No, it does not present itself as being for adults. If it did, it they would have accepted an AO (Adults Only) rating from the ESRB.

But they decided to make sure that they did NOT get the AO, therefore the game is "presented" for 17 year olds. In the U.S., a 17 year old is not adult.

[Malacath360]

fro7k wrote...

Bioware claimed that their decision not to have naked breasts in this game was an "artistic decision".  Pretty ambigious, so I'm wondering what they really meant by that.  Are they saying that nudity is aesthetically offensive?  That it's something to be ashamed of?

This game presents itself as being for adults, and then fails to deliver a bit of harmless titillation.  I wonder to myself who this decision was made for--the game _still_ isn't suitable for kids and any adult who buys this game probably _expects_ the nudity.

Why did they think that people wearing bras and underpants during sex, or hair conveniently placed to cover a woman's nipples no matter how she moves her head, or werewolves after transforming back into humans still have all their clothes on--is artistically a better thing, as opposed to looking inane?  Bioware promised an adult game and they give us these very blatant kid-safety harnesses that just make you think "that's there because somebody isn't supposed to see...".  I find this more offensive than seeing a naked body, since they are passing judgement and deeming me not fit to see it, AFTER deeming me fit to see decapitations and child-slaying.

Seams are showing where in some cases it looks as if the game was originally intended to have nudity--when the desire demon rubs her breast her hand clips through those metal things covering the nipple.  If they were going to waste time covering up nakedness they created in the first place, they should be consistent and have planned it for kids right from the start.  This game could easily have been accessable to children with a few minor changes to the game and it would probably have been a more profitable route.  Get rid of the blood splashes and decapitations, get rid of the prostitutes and almost-naked demonesses, and this game would have been perfectly suitable for the younger generation.

Because for some reason some people in america see sex and nudity as offensive while violence isn't.
If they showed a nipple in the game there would be reports all over the news with certain american polititions calling the game a sex simulator.

[Adria Teksuni]

Ibian wrote...

I am offended at the western worlds morality. Killing people and being covered in blood is far worse than seeing some ******.

At the WESTERN world's morality?  Have you checked out China's censorship codes recently?

And I agree, the lack of breastage does not detract from the need of this game to have a Mature rating.  Having two teens, there are definitely certain areas of the game I most definitely do not want them to play, just like there are scenes in R rated movies I don't want them to watch, and nudity has nothing to do with it.

The dialogue with Zevran, the entire episode with Branka, the Pearl, the Alien Orphanage, Arl Howe's dungeon o' fun, the Elven Alienage origin story, etc. are simply too mature on one level or another (IMHO) for my teens. 

While I don't think the complexity of certain romances as you get to the rulership of Denerim is something they need to avoid, there are adult decisions for a mature mindset in there. 

Blood and gore?  Piffle.  That's the least "adult" thing in this game.  I honestly don't mind the lack of nudity and, as another poster said, consider the "love scenes" as foreplay rather than the actual act.  I do, however, agree that ME handled them better.  I thought the graphics were more fluid and I liked that it was rather abstract.  But that's just me.

Edit:  Okay, can we fix the darned spacing issues on the site, already?

Modifié par Adria Teksuni, 09 décembre 2009 - 01:44 .

[McMaze]

Actually I don't really mind if we see boobs in the sexscenes or not it doesn't make much sense to show characters wearing underwear though. Ever see a non-pornmovie where the characters had sex ? Sexscenes doesn't have to be presented by showing boobs and genitalia. In case of Dragon Age (imo) another way of presenting would have been the better solution.



However the scene where the werewolves transformed back with all their clothes completely intact was abosulutely stupid. Reminds me of the cartoons they show on kindergarten halloweenparties. It's not only completely stupid it lowers the credibility of this game to. At some points during the game I really got the impression the developers had to cut controvers content they originally intended to release. Whether this is true or not doesn't really matter because in the end Dragon Age doesn't live up to Biowares promises that it is a dark fantasy game for a mature audience. ( for many reasons the cut nudity is one only one of them.)

[Teoes]

Why are people getting so bent out of shape over such trivial matters? So the werewolves morph back into fully-clothed humans - I noticed but it really didn't bother me; I could hardly say it broke immersion any more than the slight clipping errors, invisible walls, (imo) restricted dialogue choices, or any other of the innumerable little things that exist in DA:O. I'm playing a computer game at the end of the day and I'm not too bothered if I remember or am reminded of the fact.

So characters retaining their undies during the love scenes. As people have mentioned, just consider what we get to see as clothed foreplay. That, or remember that not everyone always gets completely nekkid before starting to bump uglies. If you're that bothered about getting to see tittays or some dong, go to the internet - there's tons of the stuff and you can get it for free, without having to spend £30+ on a game with such a low proportion of blue content in its running time. Progressing from that point I'd suggest that if you bought this game for the sexy bits (rather than for the story and/or gameplay), you've gotten your priorities mixed up somewhere. And probably have more money than sense.

Whether or not the characters get 'em out or keep 'em covered, the scenes are still quite hilarious, no? One of the times I found myself laughing at DA:O, rather than with it. Again: doesn't really seem like anything to complain about, to me. Whether those giggles were intentional or not, and whether or not people consider this a 'dark fantasy game'.. it's still bloody good and one of the best I've played in donkeys. Why the whines?

[Teoes]

I double-posted intentionally, to reinforce my points. Honest. *cough*
Move along..

Modifié par Teoes, 09 décembre 2009 - 02:25 .

[RichardBlackrose]

Good lord, this must be the trillionth, (if you follow the news at all, you know that trillion is a very popular number these days ), thread debating this issue. As a previous poster has stated, for PC gamers at least this issue is moot. You want a nude romantic scene, you can have nude, you want the default white granny underwear romantic scene you get granny underwear, you can even have something in between the two...Ah, what the heck...Nekked boobies, good or bad, on to two trillion threads.

[Adria Teksuni]

Well, one of the things I found interesting about this particular OP's point is their view on how the game should not be considered "Mature" because of the lack of nudity, rather than an "I WANT MOAR BEWBS" rant.

[Wolfva2]

Why did they make this a game for adults? Because 'SpongeBob Square Pants verses the Blight' just wouldn't have worked good.....

[Critical Miss]

Ibian wrote...

I am offended at the western worlds morality. Killing people and being covered in blood is far worse than seeing some ******.

Conditioning people to accept violence over nudity is a means to an end.

[Adria Teksuni]

Why did they make this a game for adults? Because 'SpongeBob Square Pants verses the Blight' just wouldn't have worked good.....

*snerk*

Modifié par Adria Teksuni, 09 décembre 2009 - 02:49 .

[ToJKa1]

What is funny is that mods for some games do this stuff better than what the professional developers did for DA. But that is exactly why i play on PC, there are mods to change the things developers cannot or will not do. And i'm not only talking about adult stuff.

The scenes currently aren't that bad, but the underwear on the scenes does look like a last minute "we can't release it like this!" decision. Camera angles and lighting could have been used to avoid showing the "sensitive" areas without looking laughable, once again, Mass Effect did it much better. But i'm sure there's been enough complaining about this to prevent them making it like this in their future games

In any case, the game has plenty of stuff that warrants it M rating, mostly the non-graphical, like the thing in the Deep Roads, imagine if a party member would be involved

[Viglin]

fro7k wrote...

Bioware claimed that their decision not to have naked breasts in this game was an "artistic decision".  Pretty ambigious, so I'm wondering what they really meant by that.  Are they saying that nudity is aesthetically offensive?  That it's something to be ashamed of?

This game presents itself as being for adults, and then fails to deliver a bit of harmless titillation.  I wonder to myself who this decision was made for--the game _still_ isn't suitable for kids and any adult who buys this game probably _expects_ the nudity.

Why did they think that people wearing bras and underpants during sex, or hair conveniently placed to cover a woman's nipples no matter how she moves her head, or werewolves after transforming back into humans still have all their clothes on--is artistically a better thing, as opposed to looking inane?  Bioware promised an adult game and they give us these very blatant kid-safety harnesses that just make you think "that's there because somebody isn't supposed to see...".  I find this more offensive than seeing a naked body, since they are passing judgement and deeming me not fit to see it, AFTER deeming me fit to see decapitations and child-slaying.

Seams are showing where in some cases it looks as if the game was originally intended to have nudity--when the desire demon rubs her breast her hand clips through those metal things covering the nipple.  If they were going to waste time covering up nakedness they created in the first place, they should be consistent and have planned it for kids right from the start.  This game could easily have been accessable to children with a few minor changes to the game and it would probably have been a more profitable route.  Get rid of the blood splashes and decapitations, get rid of the prostitutes and almost-naked demonesses, and this game would have been perfectly suitable for the younger generation.

No REAL adult needs seem naked game flesh to enjoy an adult game.

Case in point...the upcomming Ps3 game Heavy Rain.....l doubt adults will be playing that just in the hope of seeing same game flesh.

As for "planning for kids"...its the parents job, not the Devs, to control what they play, see or do.

[lizardglenn]

 i would hardly call it a game for adults even with the mature themes the rating here is MA 15+ for strong violence 

i have a few bits from an old thread saved with a few things they said on the subject of ratings & content

Stanley Woo wrote...

Where do you draw the line when "pushing the bar a bit further"? It's not like we drew a graph and calculated mateiculously just what percentage of our player base we would alienate with which feature. It's a matter of the project managers looking at  everything and saying "okay, we're drawing the line here." These decisions are made with consideration for not only the work we are currently doing, but with what our own developers are comfortable with, what our leaders and the leaders at EA will accept, and, believe it or not, how other countries and regions might take it.

You, the player base, may not be aware of it, but when developing a product for a global market, we have to make sure that the game will not be offensive or break the laws of other regions. Some regions may not allow any depiction of violence against children, for example, or may not allow realistic blood and gore, or may have problems with smoking being shown, or whatever. Names have to be changed because they might mean something offensive in a different language. GUI and text have to be able to support different sized words and sentences, not to mention special characters. And all of this is done so that, when localizing the game for other regions, we aren't completely re-making the game.

Now, look at your own situation. You are okay with us pushing the envelope a bit and showing explicit nudity, some bare breasts, maybe even full frontal. Maybe someone else is okay with full frontal nudity on both male and female characters, maybe some want to see explicit sex, and maybe some aren't too comfortable with any of that. So given the tolerances of you, the comfortable one, and Joe Gamer, the uncomfortable one, who do we build the game for?

they settled on a limit for what they're willing to portray, whether it's due to artistic license, what the audience will bear, what is marketable, or, what the audience expects from that type of product.


Videogames don't usually contain explicit nudity and sex. That's just the way the industry is right now. And we make videogames. We push the limits on mature storytelling and concepts and dialogue, and that's where we're comfortable right now, I suppose. Explicit sex and nudity in games will have to wait. Yes, some players are totally okay with it, but as we've seen in this very thread, not all players are even remotely mature enough to handle even this much sex and nudity yet.

[Jordi B]

I can somewhat understand where Stanly Woo is coming from. However, that just means that they should have avoided shots that should logically show possibly offensive polygons. Instead of showing full frontal underwear, they could have shown someone's naked back. Or maybe the characters have a sheet pulled over them while doing the deed. Etc.

[Adria Teksuni]

lizardglenn wrote...

 i would hardly call it a game for adults even with the mature themes the rating here is MA 15+ for strong violence 

So, if you had a 15 year old, you would have no problems with them playing DA:O?

[Taleroth]

What's up with airline peanuts?

[mkonrad6288]

Taleroth wrote...

What's up with airline peanuts?

I know!  It's like 90% of the population is allergic to the things nowadays.  I miss the good old days when you could get actual peanuts on the airplane.

[xka]

Im agree with fro7k. Why sex is (we could say) semi-banned?..but violence and gore no?. We, the players, supposed to be ADULTS. I love this game, and i find great the posibility of gay relations, i thinks its an innovation in game's world.



But when i see some "sex" scenes in this game, i have the impression of some autocensure, i dont think its a artistisc desing decision. All the guys with the same underwear, where is an busty woman?. Its an inmersion question, its a game with so many details, with so great history, and in this question, its..plain, autocensured (in my opinion). Im not demanding porn and more porn, (but why not we could ask), but i think more inmersion in adult relations is needed.



I have read about censorship standards, but, this game is sold (at least in spain, to 18+ years), adults i repeat.

[Taleroth]

Johohoho.Ehehehe wrote...

It was pointed out that BioWare just operated in the world we live in. It is the reality and absolute true. However, I can't deny myself a sigh: It is sad that we live in the world where fascists still dare to command people as to what they are allowed to see. (And if mere thinking is still free, that's only thanks to the lack of respective technology.) EDIT for the avoidance of doubt: By "fascists", I didn't mean BioWare, of course.

A perfect soluiton would be if nudity was included in games whereas it would follow the same principle as gore: Each player would be able to adjust the respective settings, either on/off or none/low/medium/full.

I feel myself dropping IQ points reading this thread.

There are no fascists commanding people around.  Unless by "fascists" you mean parents.  We should first note that M is not AO.  Parents buy M rated games for their kids.  That's why these rating systems exist, to let parents know whether it fits what they are comfortable letting their kids see.

And I guess Wal-Mart are fascists too, for refusing to stock AO games.  Or maybe it would be fascism to declare they're not allowed to only sell what they want to.

[Heals.like.Jesus]

that's why we have the Internet: to protect our rights to see digital breasts.