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[mkonrad6288]

I guess we're all entitled to an opinion, but these threads really could be better encapsulated by a simple forum poll:

1. DAO sex scenes are:

- too risque

- not graphic enough

2. DAO violence is:

- too strong

- not enough



It's rather like an online petition. We all know about real world constraints, though we may not individually know the requirements of every country outside our own, so second-guessing Bioware is rather pointless as if they wanted they could easily point out the legal thinking guiding their "artistic" decisionmaking. Instead, we beat ourselves up arguing over their intent, which cannot be proven by anyone short of their development team, and even then only a few project managers.



FWIW, I'm quite happy with a bit of risque dialogue and subject matter without titilating pixels of nudity. It doesn't matter to me. I'd prefer to have a slider for the blood and core, if only because it looks silly that we're taking a red bath all day long.

[xka]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

that's why we have the Internet: to protect our rights to see digital breasts.

Well, the "right to see digital breast", should be included when someone cataloge a game to be used by adults. Of course developers have the right to do or not, but i think that in a adult game, with an adult history, breast should have their place, why not.

[Heals.like.Jesus]

mkonrad6288 wrote...
 I'd prefer to have a slider for the blood and core, if only because it looks silly that we're taking a red bath all day long.

I'd preffer a slider for the banana hammock bulge size

[Taleroth]

xka wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

that's why we have the Internet: to protect our rights to see digital breasts.

Well, the "right to see digital breast", should be included when someone cataloge a game to be used by adults. Of course developers have the right to do or not, but i think that in a adult game, with an adult history, breast should have their place, why not.

 Because it's not "an adult game."  It's rating is mature in the US and something like MA 15+ elsewhere.

The US adult rating is AO.  M is like an R rated movie or any action movie shown during the daytime, not late night cinemax.  More True Lies than unrated Showgirls.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 décembre 2009 - 03:52 .

[Taleroth]

Johohoho.Ehehehe wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

There are no fascists commanding people around.  Unless by "fascists" you mean parents.

I meant the culture that advocates extreme purity in natural affairs and adoring violence at the same time.

Do you even have a remote clue as to what fascism means?  If the culture advocates it, it is most definitely NOT fascism.

Taleroth wrote...

That's why these rating systems exist, to let parents know whether it fits what they are comfortable letting their kids see.

Now it's me who's dropping IQ points. So a complex and subjective evaluation of a work of authorship can be jammed into a box marked with a letter, and it's actually supposed to be a perfect solution as to what kids may watch? Nevermind soldiers making jokes about having intercourse with dying woman or Leske bringing about an idea of penetrating a sister, that's perfectly OK as long as (1) the game has magical "M" on its box and, most importantly, (2) ****** are concealed! So much for parents' responsibility.

You have no idea how rating systems work, do you?  They're not just a letter and a letter alone.  They do include more information, at least the ESRB does.






Content descriptors: Blood, Intense Violence, Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Content


Rating summary:
This is a role-playing game (RPG) in which players control a group of mythical warriors through missions and battles in the ravaged lands of Ferelden. The combat system in the game is similar to other third-person role-playing games where the user does not usually have direct control over combat moves. Instead, players select a target (e.g., soldier, stone golem, dragon, bear, etc.) and an action (e.g., "attack," "kill," and magic spells), then watch as the game executes the move. Players use swords, axes, knives, and magic to attack enemies that react to damage by emitting splashes of red blood; pools of blood are occasionally depicted near dead bodies as well. The most intense instances of violence occur when players have the option to kill non-combatant civilians: A prisoner can be stabbed to death in order to steal a key; a merchant who overcharges refugees can be slashed in the throat; and a boy possessed by an evil demon can be killed off-screen. During the course of the game, players are able to visit a brothel where a hostess asks what they are interested in. If players select "Surprise me," they can sometimes wind up face-to-face with a woman, a man, a transsexual, or an animal; sexual activity is never depicted during these brothel encounters. Players can also initiate brief cutscene sequences in which couples (male and female or same sex couples) can be depicted kissing, embracing, and caressing one another as the screen fades to black. Though the game never features human nudity, one female demon character is briefly depicted with bare breasts. Some profanity (e.g., "sh*t," "b*tch," and "a*s") can be heard in the dialogue.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 décembre 2009 - 03:54 .

[Dark83]

fro7k wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

So wait...you are complaining about no nudity??? Is that really a big problem in the game...truthfully....?

It's part of the package.  I would have liked to see female nudity, but that's not the point.

*snicker*

[Kastlefeer]

I thought Morrigan's athiesm was pretty fresh! The nudity factor was a bit disappointing considering the game is loaded with murder, suggested rape, and buckets of blood being doused upon the characters every 5 minutes heh! There's tons of nasty dogma making itself felt in the game, at least there was a hetero/bi/transgender/gay/lesbian brothel. Too bad you have to wear a blind fold once down to undergarments though...

[Heals.like.Jesus]

God made us in his image, and his church would have us be ashamed of our bodies. I wonder if god is ashamed of his.

[Brako Shepard]

You see its stuff like this why video gamers will never be cool lol.

Whats the obsession with wanting to see the female characters ****** all the time? Don't give me the excuse that the game is for adults, so why shouldn't there be nudity, crap.

Is it a sheltered nerd thing or something? I aint saying that just because I am married to a beautiful woman. But every BioWare forum I have been on, gamers are obsessed with seeing nude female characters.

Personally  I would not be able to stop laughing at the image of some areola jaggies. Give me a story that makes the brain work and gives you hours of fun to play, and keep the lady boobs for your DVD collection.

[dtking3]

That's America for ya

Death and violence and rampant killings are A-OK, but some naked boobies? Someone please think of the children!

[Adria Teksuni]

WHY does everyone keep going on and on about America is forcing teh no bewbs?  There are other countries the game is distributed in with stringent rules about nudity.  America is NOT the only one with a puritanical viewpoint of such things.

Not saying I agree with the puritcanical viewpoint, just that Amurika isn't the only one to share it.

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...
God made us in his image, and his church would have us be ashamed of our bodies. I wonder if god is ashamed of his.

If you're going to use the Christian Bible to make a point, don't be disingenuous about it.  Read Genesis if you want the reason why Christians have modesty.

Modifié par Adria Teksuni, 09 décembre 2009 - 04:06 .

[Sam -stone- serious]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

lizardglenn wrote...

 i would hardly call it a game for adults even with the mature themes the rating here is MA 15+ for strong violence 

So, if you had a 15 year old, you would have no problems with them playing DA:O?

Not a problem at all. I would have a far greater issue of my 15 year old boy playing Grand Theft Auto or some other such game than even Sex Villa 2 for PC (i am not joking if those were the absolute 2 games i had to chose for my son to play and there was no way of avoiding both altogether). 

I still see DAO  as a NON  adult way anyway. Other than the midl violence and blood stains there is really nothing else to warrant this being an adult game.

[bjdbwea]

Again with this topic? It's so simple really, I can't understand all that arguing:

Do it like in the movies = Do it like in Mass Effect.

I really thought BioWare had found their solution, and the perfect solution. That totally unfair media campaign back then may have unsettled them, but the sales numbers didn't suffer after all, did they?

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...
God made us in his image, and his church would have us be ashamed of our bodies. I wonder if god is ashamed of his.

If
you're going to use the Christian Bible to make a point, don't be
disingenuous about it.  Read Genesis if you want the reason why
Christians have modesty.

No point to be found in my words, Im just randomly posting what pops in my head on the matter. I dont even have a stance on the topic's issue.

I understand the limitations by which games cannot have full nudity, and I also know that regardless of that, people will |3itch about it, even though it is clear that some modder will give them nudity within a week of the said game's release.

So this is all pointless.

Modifié par Heals.like.Jesus, 09 décembre 2009 - 04:14 .

[Adria Teksuni]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
Not a problem at all. I would have a far greater issue of my 15 year old boy playing Grand Theft Auto or some other such game than even Sex Villa 2 for PC (i am not joking if those were the absolute 2 games i had to chose for my son to play and there was no way of avoiding both altogether). 

I still see DAO  as a NON  adult way anyway. Other than the midl violence and blood stains there is really nothing else to warrant this being an adult game.

Hm...again, I'll have to agree to disagree.  There are entirely too many disturbing items in DA:O to let my kids play it, as cited in a previous post.  A lot of the items (like Branka's storyline, not necessarily the BM, but all of it) are simply too gruesome and horrific.

[McMaze]

I love how people need to point out, that they are married to a beautiful woman and are no losers in reallife. Sure whatever makes you happy.

Modifié par McMaze, 09 décembre 2009 - 04:13 .

[xka]

Curiosly, in game there is heavy points to sex, for example with motherbrood (i dont know how to say in english, i mean, the monster with tentacles when seeking the paragon). This for example, its an adult history, i love it, but with a sexual content. Not a breast, but this yes?... lol.

[Xzenorath]

It's like people already forgot the ridiculous media bull**** that went on about ME's approach to side-****** and ass cracks.



They know better than to release another RPG with naked people.

Go download mods and enjoy your fake pixels, stop bothering us with your porn jaded views of what is "adult" to you.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
Not a problem at all. I would have a far greater issue of my 15 year old boy playing Grand Theft Auto or some other such game than even Sex Villa 2 for PC (i am not joking if those were the absolute 2 games i had to chose for my son to play and there was no way of avoiding both altogether). 

I still see DAO  as a NON  adult way anyway. Other than the midl violence and blood stains there is really nothing else to warrant this being an adult game.

Hm...again, I'll have to agree to disagree.  There are entirely too many disturbing items in DA:O to let my kids play it, as cited in a previous post.  A lot of the items (like Branka's storyline, not necessarily the BM, but all of it) are simply too gruesome and horrific.

Agree but it is fantastical, not real and thus it can be easily bypassed from me. A game like GTA however, and especially so as the graficks go by, to be a much more "dangerous" game for my sons succesible mind to take in. Sure the violence is there in DAO  but its wholy not really "serious" by any means and thus i would have no problem for my son to play it. Disturbing items in a game i can bypass as long as they are fantastical. Beating up an old man in the corner of a street, robbing him, stealing a car and then spin his head under my tyres is far more disturbing if you ask me.

[frohwned]

download a nudity mod, there are quite a few going around the net, end of the problem

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Xzenorath wrote...

It's like people already forgot the ridiculous media bull**** that went on about ME's approach to side-****** and ass cracks.

They know better than to release another RPG with naked people.
Go download mods and enjoy your fake pixels, stop bothering us with your porn jaded views of what is "adult" to you.

I will quote myself saying different words but with the same meaning as yours

Heals.like.Eskulap wrote...

I understand the limitations by which games cannot have full nudity,
and I also know that regardless of that, people will |3itch about it anyway,
even though it is clear that some modder will give them nudity within a
week of said game's release.

So this is all pointless."

Modifié par Heals.like.Jesus, 09 décembre 2009 - 04:29 .

[Leather_Rebel90]

I agree let's make the next game the Permiscuous Age or how about the Porn Age? That sound good? It's a f*cking video game... Get over it. Go watch some of the 10000000000 streaming porn sites and get your jollies there. Having nudity doesn't do sh*t for the game other than get it bashed by stupid and ignorant media stations. Nudity is not 'artistic' but it isn't something to be ashamed of either. Just leave it out and let the modders take care of it like they have done for every game in existance. Those of us who don't want it don't have to have it and those of you who do can have it without our favorite developers getting slammed by biased media stations. Simple solution.

[Ibian]

Viglin wrote...
No REAL adult needs seem naked game flesh to enjoy an adult game.

Hello, Scotsman.