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[KiraTsukasa]

Blah blah blah.

[GodlessPaladin]

KiraTsukasa wrote...
Blah blah blah.

I see that KiraTsukasa is gunning for the title of "most constructive poster on BSN" yet again.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 mai 2012 - 05:13 .

[ShadowRanger88]

First I'd like to begin by saying that a godless paladin would lose all their powers effectively becoming a normal warrior.

Second. Get on pc and teach me how to be better =) I troll alot but I'm not that bad (not fantastic either). I find if I want to get top score I have to sit back and with my AA and spam warp - throw which isn't very skillful at all. I can play okay with most classes but I just want to be epic and godlike and have everyone bow at my feet...(seriously)

[Malkeor]

Pickles

(taking title away from Kira)

[GodlessPaladin]

ShadowRanger88 wrote...

First I'd like to begin by saying that a godless paladin would lose all their powers effectively becoming a normal warrior.

  No, you're thinking of a Paladin who breaks their code.  Since at least as far back as 3rd edition D&D a Paladin can follow a philosophy rather than a deity.  As such, I get to be an atheist and still Smite Evil like a boss.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 mai 2012 - 05:20 .

[ShadowRanger88]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ShadowRanger88 wrote...

First I'd like to begin by saying that a godless paladin would lose all their powers effectively becoming a normal warrior.

  No, you're thinking of a Paladin who breaks their code.  Since at least as far back as 3rd edition D&D a Paladin can follow a philosophy rather than a deity.  As such, I get to be an atheist and still Smite Evil like a boss.

*facepalm for forgetting rules*

[datako12]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Yeah, I've actually gotten that a few times.  There's nothing quite like being in a lobby then seeing someone with a humdrum loadout come in, put on the most condescending tone imaginable, and say "why would you actually play against Reapers on purpose?  Anyone smart would play on Firebase White."  And then he'll make offhand comments about why your build that will soon be getting quadruple his score is "obviously wrong."  The slew of excuses he makes when you get quadruple his score are particularly depressing. 

lol. reminds me of a time where i was playing with vvvvblessedvvv (n7 of 3100 at the time) and scrubby (n7 of 1800 at the time) while i was around 500, we're farming fbw geth, none of us as an SE, and this n7 250 comes in, and has the balls to tell us that one of us NEEDS to switch to an SE, to which we of course responded XXX. i mean c'mon its fbw geth, you dont need an SE, and if you think you absolutely need an SE try playing it yourself instead of telling others that they need to play it

[KiraTsukasa]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...
Blah blah blah.

I see that KiraTsukasa is gunning for the title of "most constructive poster on BSN" yet again.

And yet, it's still more constructive than what the thread is about.

[Malkeor]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...
Blah blah blah.

I see that KiraTsukasa is gunning for the title of "most constructive poster on BSN" yet again.

And yet, it's still more constructive than what the thread is about.

^100% pickles 

[KiraTsukasa]

Malkeor wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...
Blah blah blah.

I see that KiraTsukasa is gunning for the title of "most constructive poster on BSN" yet again.

And yet, it's still more constructive than what the thread is about.

^100% pickles 

^200% cucumbers.

[bizkuitz]

What kind of skills is necessary to play ME3MP??
1. The proper usage of 3 powers only.
2. Shoot everything that moves across the map
3. The use of covers

[Malkeor]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Malkeor wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...
Blah blah blah.

I see that KiraTsukasa is gunning for the title of "most constructive poster on BSN" yet again.

And yet, it's still more constructive than what the thread is about.

^100% pickles 

^200% cucumbers.

Reported!
That value should not be possible. 

Modifié par Malkeor, 13 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[KiraTsukasa]

Malkeor wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Malkeor wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...
Blah blah blah.

I see that KiraTsukasa is gunning for the title of "most constructive poster on BSN" yet again.

And yet, it's still more constructive than what the thread is about.

^100% pickles 

^200% cucumbers.

Reported!
That value should not be possible. 

^300% waffles.

[GodlessPaladin]

KiraTsukasa wrote...
And yet, it's still more constructive than what the thread is about.

Actually, the first page contains some decent discussion.  The second page contains you trolling and making quote pyramids.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 mai 2012 - 05:30 .

[bucyrus5000]

Duranndal wrote...
...
If you are less skilled, or are perceived as being less skilled, or are being consistently kicked:
#1. Stop being so offended and for godssake stop complaining on the forums.  Realize that other people's time is precious to them.  They are not obligated to carry you, or take a chance on your build/weapon combo that they are unfamiliar with.
#2. Play with friends.  (protip: they are less likely to kick you).  If you have no friends, make some.  If you can't make any friends, delete Mass Effect 3 and your BSN account.
#3. Practice, get better, get help - but not at the unwilling expense of others.

If you are a relatively skilled player:
#1. Don't be insulting/elitist.  It just makes the community worse, and you have helped noone, including yourself.
#2. Play with friends.  (protip: you are less likely to kick them)  If you have no friends, make some.  If you can't make any friends, delete Mass Effect 3 and your BSN account. 
#3. You are not required to carry less skilled players, but consider doing so every now and then to help them get better.  You might gain a friend who could very quickly become a pro player.

I can't argue with this...:devil:How dare you sir! How dare you post a reasonable, logical compromise to this derrisive topic!

Modifié par bucyrus5000, 13 mai 2012 - 05:30 .

[KiraTsukasa]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...
And yet, it's still more constructive than what the thread is about.

Actually, the first page contains some decent discussion.  The second page contains you trolling and making quote pyramids.

[Malkeor]

On topic post (gasp): OP is 100% right
The end. (/gasp)

@ the above:  

Modifié par Malkeor, 13 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[GodlessPaladin]

ShadowRanger88 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ShadowRanger88 wrote...

First I'd like to begin by saying that a godless paladin would lose all their powers effectively becoming a normal warrior.

  No, you're thinking of a Paladin who breaks their code.  Since at least as far back as 3rd edition D&D a Paladin can follow a philosophy rather than a deity.  As such, I get to be an atheist and still Smite Evil like a boss.

*facepalm for forgetting rules*

Yep.  And now I have to get back to planning the online Eberron campaign I'll be starting soon. 

[hihey54]

Shock n Awe wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Shock n Awe wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...The "elitists" are right and entirely justified, so long as they are actually capable of accurate risk assessments. People are not obligated to be ceaselessly charitable, and you are not entitled to their time.*Snipped down to what it was*

I concur.  If anything, I feel "elitists" don't view themselves as elite.  They seem to be the players who don't believe they are skilled enough to do gold with any subpar team member, and require that all of their team be at least OK in order to pass gold.  At the least, they dislike wasting their time because someone unprepared for Gold and unwilling to learn joined their game - I have had plenty of people who ignore all advice given.I can't help but feel the "anti-elitists" are either those demanding they be carried or those good enough that their teammates' skill levels are irrelevant to the mission's success.

Genuinely skilled players are quite likely to kick too.  Even if they're good enough to carry the team, they might care about degree of success (such as clearing twice as fast), or simply find it more fun to play with a team that moves like a well-oiled machine and aren't whiny newbies.

Good point.  If I am in the mood to put in the effort (and generally 1-2 medi-gels per wave in the later waves), I can one-man through the majority of the later waves (including 10 so long as it's an assassinate or disarm the objectives, but only when an infiltrator, but not when it's a hack), but I generally don't want to put forth that effort because - while fun - it's draining and I feel that I let the team down even if I die in some stupid way.That said I usually don't kick, but that's mostly because the lobbies I join always look like one of these:Ambiguous - Setups and N7s that might do well (I usually give these the benefit of the doubt in that I'll play, but I won't use any equipment (weapon/armor/ammo), medi-gel, rockets, etc. before wave 9).Mostly good - Everything looks perfect, maybe one person looks average.Everyone's bad - All other 3 players have way too low weapons/setups/characters/etc.  I just leave these lobbies.In the case of the Ambiguous and Bad lobbies, if I'm not feeling up for the possible challenge I'll just leave.Edit: At some times I actually feel soloing a round is easier (but more draining, to me) than having a few bad teammates.  When I have teammates I count on them to do their part - cover their area, back me up (AKA I don't kite the enemies like I would if I was last-man because it'll screw up spawns for my team), things that I'd do for them and generally expect in return.  Bad teammates generally don't do this.  This usually leads to me being flanked or having some other mishap happen where the bad teammate couldn't cover it, and taking things foregranted ("I have a teammate around that corner, no way I could walk into a cluster**** of enemies when he's standing there looking OK, and if there are he's right there and could revive me"), while if I'm solo I always expect that phantom to be around that corner and am much more cautious in general.

Are you myself? Because I couldn t think of anyone besides me thinking exactly like this.

[Sovereign24]

I wouldn't consider myself an elitist, as I don't mind playing with less skilled players (after all we were all at that stage once).

What I absolutely cannot stand is dumb players. Yesterday, I encountered what may have been the dumbest player I've ever played with. Was doing Reaper Gold on Condor. I was playing as a Human Sentinel and we also had a Drell Adept in the team, so I figured this shouldn't be too bad. If I stick with him and cast Throw on whatever he Reaves, we should be in for a good time. Since neither of us had mikes, I made a distinctive effort in Wave 1 to show him that I was indeed riding shotgun with him.

We were fine in Wave 1 as he was just spamming Pull, and I was throwing everything (mainly Husks and Cannibals). Good times.

Little did I know how bad things would turn after that. So comes Wave 2 and obviously the Brutes start to appear. As before, I'm following the Drell around waiting for him to Reave the Brute. But he obviously had different ideas. What does he do? He freaking spams Pull on it? WTF. At first I thought he just pressed the wrong button, but as the wave progressed, he kept Pulling stuff with Armour.

He even did it with freaking Banshees as well. He had an N7 rating of like 150, so it's not like he was new to the game or anything (I could forgive it if he'd just started playing and didn't understand how biotic explosions work). Needless to say that we failed in like Wave 7. The entire match I was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Modifié par Sovereign24, 13 mai 2012 - 06:58 .

[Stardusk]

Soggy-Snake- wrote...

I think a lot of the tension occurs between Silver and Gold. I'll try and group this based off my own experiences.

Gold

1. Elite players - the type of people who can solo Gold, know weapons, builds and mechanics inside out, can play virtually every class extremely well, finish most Gold matches in 20minutes etc. Some members of the forum are here.

2. Regular Gold players - The type of people who are skilled at 4 or 5 classes/characters and regularly beat Gold. Can carry a team of randoms if need be but don't have a complete knowledge of every build and setup for the classes. Usually finish 3rd with 75k-100k when playing with Elite players who score 140k+ or finish 1st or 2nd scoring over 100k when playing with randoms. Often plays games where all 4 players score 70-90k. I consider myself one of these along with many other forum members.

[There's a zone here of people who need good team mates to win and can't quite carry randoms to victory but are decent players none the less.]

3. Farmers and low tier Gold players - these people can farm WGG and have beaten max of 2 other Gold matches ever. Believe that you need perfect setups (characters, equipment) to stand a chance on WGG. Will kick anyone who doesn't meet their standards. Have a belief that they are elite level players and cause the most tension for....

~~ Friction Zone ~~

Top level Silver players - these people have played a lot of Bronze and Silver and are experienced enough to start playing Gold. Have characters between lvl15-20 and a few rare weapons. Know how to work as a team, use missiles and not die. However they run into [Gold 3] players first and therefore suffer the kicking/abuse that comes from low tier Gold players. Often they do not persist with Gold and never meet the [Gold 2] players who are willing to play with them. Responsible for the complaints regarding weekend events on Gold.

As a result these people go away with assumptions about elitists. People who are ready for Gold are scared off through perceived elitism which gives a bad rap to all Gold players. Then the belief arises in which it seems as if you need to have the ultimate setup to even get into a Gold lobby and that its not worth trying in the future. This leads to the topics you get warning Bronze/Silver players about not trying Gold.

Then there are the Bronze players who head up to Gold with lvl 8 characters and common weapons at IV. These are the people who annoy Gold 1 and 2 who can't always be bothered carrying such a person through a Gold match (but infuriate Gold 3 players).

Basically if top Silver players could bypass [Gold 3] players and play with [Gold 2] players then the system would work much better.

140k+? Infiltrators...try doing that with a Quarian Engineer.

[LimeANite]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

In a recent case, this was with a guy calling me out for using a Drell Adept with a Talon on Reapers Glacier... who then still insisted that I was bad and didn't understand the game or which character and weapons I should use when I had more score than the whole team combined.  It's mind-boggling to me how capable these people are of lying to themselves and flat out ignoring evidence in order to protect their overblown and twisted egos.

That's pretty sad...I mean, I'm hardly what anyone could call an "elite" player, and I'd sure as hell be using the Talon on my Drell Adept if I had it.  What was he telling you to use, a Carnifex?

[Trayno]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

Just
use your mic. If you don't have one go buy one. There is nothing
worse than having an elite squad only to have a random in the fourth
slot basically making the game ten times more time consuming.

This
is exactly why not having a mic will sometimes result in a kick from
our matches.  If someone cannot be expected to follow a plan and wander
off and block the wrong spawns and such, it makes things much more
inefficient for a truly competent team than if there was an empty spot
there.  Being able to control where enemies spawn can make runs a lot
faster.

If you are new or less skilled and wander into a lobby of people who
obviously know what they are doing, try sticking to the strategy they
lay out and learn a thing or two, not tell them what they should be
doing differently. I can't even begin to count the number of times I
got told I was a noob for not doing Gold the "elite" way on FBWGG with a
Salarian Engineer, and that playing random was stupid.

Yeah,
I've actually gotten that a few times.  There's nothing quite like
being in a lobby then seeing someone with a humdrum loadout come in, put
on the most condescending tone imaginable, and say "why would you
actually play against Reapers on purpose?  Anyone smart would
play on Firebase White."  And then he'll make offhand comments about why
your build that will soon be getting quadruple his score is "obviously
wrong."  The slew of excuses he makes when you get quadruple his score
are particularly depressing.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

In
a recent case, this was with a guy calling me out for using a Drell
Adept with a Talon on Reapers Glacier... who then still insisted that I
was bad and didn't understand the game or which character and weapons
I should use when I had more score than the whole team combined.  It's
mind-boggling to me how capable these people are of lying to themselves
and flat out ignoring evidence in order to protect their overblown and
twisted egos.

First and foremost, dare I say I'm puzzled? 
Utterly and totally puzzled.
Well,
it begins simply with the fact that (bear with me, I only ever tried
Bronze) whenever I joined a Lobby noone ever talked. Granted Bronze is
kindergarden, but I still have never heard anyone talk or ever talked to
someone.
Why you ask? Well, simply: If
you neither know the keys (Yes, by now I know it's defaulted to "Tab",
what an odd key) nor have any clue wether or not the orange speaker
symbol in the Lobby means wether they are speaking or not, or that their
Microphone 's screwd? Cause either way, I can't hear ****, albeit
having every setting that could be relevant in that respect changed and
upped to max, I never heard anyone say anything.
I still have no
f**king clue if an orange speaker-symbol means this or that. And, most
certainly that's not because I'm shy (which, sure as hell I am) but
that's because I do not know the usual going-abouts of Multiplayer in
ME3, and thus wouldn't want to interfere with peoples strategies
whatsoever.
Having frequented this very forums for a while, I only ever see a few types of threads, and that is in no particular order:
Threads
about one specific type of build (be it novaguard, Stasis-AA with a
snipe, GI on Huntermode or anything whatsoever) beeing either
overpowered or sub-par,
and of course,
Threads about the Eagle
beeing utterly useless (Granted, I cannot verify but the sheer number of
threads should give as much clue therefor as to asume they can't be all
wrong)
or
Threads in which someone humble-brags about soloing gold on this and
that char / enemy / map - combination, despite that specific build  /
loadout combination beeing beaten down in another thread at the very
same time.

Please don't get me wrong, beeing able to solo gold is
no small feat in itself, acomplishing it with a char /build /load combi
which is considered not-optimal only ever sweetens the deal, however in
my eyes
(and I don't know if there are other people who frequent
these forums who don't regularily beat gold, so I can only speak from my
perspective) someone who soloes gold couldn't possibly be that far away
from beating gold with a team of, well let's call them and,
subsequently me, "morons" in that sense as they have no clue what weapon
nicely complements which skills or how to trigger, for exemplary
purposes, tech explosions. (Biotic is cakewalk, sure, but the very
concept of a tech combo skullf**ks my brain every time, tried them a few
times in SP and bugger all happened)

Well to get this riff-raff-ramble of a post finished, I'd like to mention a few things I found I, as in captial i, would like to know:
Is there any (objective/subjetive) criteria as to when I can savely enter a silver, or subsequently, gold, Lobby whithout fear of dragging my comrades down?
When
do I know if someone would like to talk (to me or in general, to the
team)? I obviously can't hear them saying anything (see above), so is
there any icon representing that?
What is common courtesy when
entering a Lobby? well, in WOW, entering a Dungeon on the DungeonFinder
Greeting someone and, if applicable, special requests for Items (e.g.
Tank-Druid rolling on Balance-Gear) are the least of what is considered,
or at least I consider, to be polite.
What is the modus operandi in
ME3MP? This sounds rather vague, but considering my SP-Playthrough,
beeing stuck behind cover 85% of the time is honestly rather boring. Is
it okay, is it usual, for someone to try **** up in meele what he/she
could possibly wreck, or is it frowened upon when someone is to overtly
on the offensive?

I shall remain whith greatest eagerness and,
Dearest Greetings,
Trayno

[GodlessPaladin]

LimeANite wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

In a recent case, this was with a guy calling me out for using a Drell Adept with a Talon on Reapers Glacier... who then still insisted that I was bad and didn't understand the game or which character and weapons I should use when I had more score than the whole team combined.  It's mind-boggling to me how capable these people are of lying to themselves and flat out ignoring evidence in order to protect their overblown and twisted egos.

That's pretty sad...I mean, I'm hardly what anyone could call an "elite" player, and I'd sure as hell be using the Talon on my Drell Adept if I had it.  What was he telling you to use, a Carnifex?

Yes, actually.  Nevermind that I had 190% cooldown anyways and considerably more damage than the Carnifex...

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 13 mai 2012 - 07:28 .

[Megachaz]

I'm definitely not an elite player or an "elitist." I've only broken 150k in a gold match twice and one of those times was using a SI with a black widow on Cerberus Dagger, so optimal conditions and such. I don't mind letting someone with bad gear tag along most of the time, but if I see something like the N7 12 level 8 human engineer with the avenger II and Mantis I, of course I'll kick. I'm not good enough to solo the later rounds of gold, and I'm not going to waste my time getting up to an excruciating round 9 before failing, just as to not offend someone who obviously is going to bring the team down.

If you are complaining about being kicked by "elitists," ask yourself this: can I perform as well as the other people in this lobby? Am I going to negatively impact the performance of the team? Then remind yourself that this is a gear dependant game. Then go back to bronze/silver.