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[enayasoul]

Miranda asks Shepard on Sanctuary if he worried about her. He said. "Of course, I worried."
I remember my Shepard smiling a little bit when he saw Miranda, not a HUGE smile but it was there. He even smiled at Miranda's asking if he wanted to back out. My Shepard in ME3 showed more emotion then he ever did in ME1 or ME2... I'm rather fond of ME3 Shepard. It was kind of depressing for my shepard to not have Miranda to talk to on the Normandy. He was basically "alone" or lonely on that ship. He did tell Miranda to be careful.

[Skullheart]

btw, if Miranda is a crappy girlfriend, then Shepard is the worst boyfriend too. He watched how Leng ambushed Miranda, and when he reach the tower (seeing that Miranda is injured) he asks for Leng first.

Then at the end he said goodbye to Miranda instead of offering the Normandy medbay to check her and Oriana. Worst boyfriend ever.

[Babi_Siha]

Skullheart wrote...

btw, if Miranda is a crappy girlfriend, then Shepard is the worst boyfriend too. He watched how Leng ambushed Miranda, and when he reach the tower (seeing that Miranda is injured) he asks for Leng first.

Then at the end he said goodbye to Miranda instead of offering the Normandy medbay to check her and Oriana. Worst boyfriend ever.

I don't like it, but I totally agree with you. I didn't realize this, but he didn't care one bit when he saw Miranda injured, he's only concern was Leng. Maybe Miranda should consider finding someone more considerate to make Shepard appreciate her.

[enayasoul]

He was being cautious asking where Leng was so he *they* wouldn't get ambushed! For all he knew Leng could have been hiding somewhere. Shepard did ask about Miranda. She stood up.

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

[Babi_Siha]

enayasoul wrote...

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

He'd probably have the same reaction for anyone. Like I said before, he was a lot more concerned about Ashley at the hospital than he ever was for Miranda. Dawn Bioware for shoving the VS down our throats.

[MACharlie1]

Babi_Siha wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

He'd probably have the same reaction for anyone. Like I said before, he was a lot more concerned about Ashley at the hospital than he ever was for Miranda. Dawn Bioware for shoving the VS down our throats.

Remember Dr. T'Soni's little tantrum after Thessia? That girl got more sympathy then anyone and she didn't even have a scratch on her. 

I think the difference between VS and Miranda though is that Shepard saw what EVE left of the VS - he literally carried them back to the Normandy and they were on the verge of death. With Miranda - he only saw that she was intercepted. It has a different effect. It helps that Miranda is the type who can handle herself. But yes  I do agree that there should have been a bit more concern in his voice. 

Compare: "I hope she's ready" to "Oh ****! Double time people! Just hold on Miranda...." 

[Skullheart]

From Shepard perspective: "Hey, remember Leng? The guy who killed one of the best assassins in the galaxy, the guy who beated me on Thessia. He ambushed my girlfroend and I don't care much."

Well, Sanctuary could have been a great mission, but the execution and bad writing made it dissapointing.

[MACharlie1]

Skullheart wrote...

From Shepard perspective: "Hey, remember Leng? The guy who killed one of the best assassins in the galaxy, the guy who beated me on Thessia. He ambushed my girlfroend and I don't care much."

Well, Sanctuary could have been a great mission, but the execution and bad writing made it dissapointing.

Sanctuary was terribly rushed. I remember reading in the leak a looong time ago it was going to directly connect with the Anderson/Illusive Man scene in that it was more then just the Illusive Man controlling them. I believe the notes said "Anderson and Shepard have a similiar feeling that was felt on Horizon and lift their guns to each other." Or something to that effect.

Sanctuary was, I imagine if the IT holds, have some of Shepard being indoctrinated. He was feeling the effects according to the notes. 

[Made Nightwing]

Babi_Siha wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

He'd probably have the same reaction for anyone. Like I said before, he was a lot more concerned about Ashley at the hospital than he ever was for Miranda. Dawn Bioware for shoving the VS down our throats.

VS? Miranda actually got as much non-mission dialogue as Ashley and Kaidan, since BioWare decided to cut all Ashley's Normandy conversations apart from the Hangover scene.

[MACharlie1]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

He'd probably have the same reaction for anyone. Like I said before, he was a lot more concerned about Ashley at the hospital than he ever was for Miranda. Dawn Bioware for shoving the VS down our throats.

VS? Miranda actually got as much non-mission dialogue as Ashley and Kaidan, since BioWare decided to cut all Ashley's Normandy conversations apart from the Hangover scene.

Kaidan actually has two additional convos on the Normandy. One for right when he gets on and for one right after Jacob's mission. 

[Made Nightwing]

@MAC. Yeah, that's right. It's just so glaringly obvious when you contrast just how much the squadmates used to talk to you in ME1 with ME3 that they spent way too much time on gameplay.

[CuseGirl]

MisterJB wrote...

Take Shepard for granted? Miranda flat out asks him if he is still interested in a relationship with her.

Simple response is simple....

To the OP, I think your issue with Miranda's behavior is that you know the writing at some point is just bad/wrong/OOC. Simple as that. 

[Babi_Siha]

Made Nightwing wrote...

VS? Miranda actually got as much non-mission dialogue as Ashley and Kaidan, since BioWare decided to cut all Ashley's Normandy conversations apart from the Hangover scene.

Yes, that's true, the VS didn't get a nice treatment too after they returned to the Normandy. But if you notice in any game that you romanced the VS in the first game, even if later you romance someone in ME2, in the beginning of third game we are treated as if the VS is the love of Shepard's life. For example, at Mars Liara mentions she doesn't know how Shepard does it and if you choose the paragon answer he gives a longing look to Ashley. Not to mention the VS actually has a flashback, a romance scene, pillow talk and a decent goodbye scene face to face.

Miranda never gets anything similar as that. Comparing the two of them isn't really fair.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 14 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[Made Nightwing]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

VS? Miranda actually got as much non-mission dialogue as Ashley and Kaidan, since BioWare decided to cut all Ashley's Normandy conversations apart from the Hangover scene.

Yes, that's true, the VS didn't get a nice treatment too after they returned to the Normandy. But if you notice in any game that you romanced the VS in the first game, even if later you romance someone in ME2, in the beginning of third game we are treated as if the VS is the love of Shepard's life. For example, at Mars Liara mentions she doesn't know how Shepard does it and if you choose the paragon answer he gives a longing look to Ashley. Not to mention the VS actually has a flashback, a romance scene, pillow talk and a decent goodbye scene face to face.

Miranda never gets anything similar as that. Comparing the two of them isn't really fair.

Also true. But if they were going to make Ashley a squadmate the least they could do would be to actually give her the same amount of conversations as the other squadmates.

Oh wait...they did...they just cut them out.

[Generic Screen Name]

^^^
I'm still raging over them cutting the "What was it like being dead?" convo.

[Shajar]

Pity sex?

[t3HPrO]

Sums up why Miranda was cast to the side along with all other ME2 characters. And why the bipolar blueberry got waifu status.

[Shajar]

t3HPrO wrote...



Sums up why Miranda was cast to the side along with all other ME2 characters. And why the bipolar blueberry got waifu status.

Guy in picture should be blue with tentacles if you want it to be more accurate 

[ubermensch007]

Okay where should I pick back up at. First let me say that I appreciate every post in this thread thus far. Its always nice to get feedback

CrutchCricket wrote...Don't think this needed its own thread though...

I think this topic does need its own thread. I didn't want this statement -- this question -- this critque of Ms. Lawson in 2186 to get lost in 2000 + pages of the "I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3 thread.

KevWestBeats.com wrote... I think she Thane and Jack had the best reasons for not joining the squad in ME 3.

Jack and Thane have legitimate reasons. Miranda... Not so much. Remember what she says to Shep at Sanctuary if she survives.

Shepard: So what's next for you two?

Miranda: Get her somewhere safe. Get this scratch cleaned up.

Where is safe, in the middle of a galactic war? And she's more concerned with getting some cosmetic surgery done.Then standing by her man.Fighting by his side.Facing whatever hardships, trials and tribulations that may come--together?!
(This is what I wanted, but its not what I got.)


My God. She seemed like she couldn't get away from Shepard fast enough. <_< And last time I checked the Normandy SR 2 has a state of the art Medbay, so Dr.Chackwas or Dr.Michel could have patched her right up.Commander Shepard can even by medical equipment that can completely fix up his most severe Renegade influenced facial scars. So Miranda's Clark Kent like flimsy excuse for getting out of dodge.Falls flat or said another way: "That dog won't hunt." And whatever happened to "walking it off" and staying in the game.Or "the show must go on" .

And let's not forget the fact that Miranda abandons Shepard when he could use her help more than ever.Miranda has been at Cerberus HQ!

[smilie]http://c3333424.r24.cf0.rackcdn.com/d09e54118bccd91b47256af269d11161f0a7d5ce.jpg__620x350_q85.jpg[/smilie]  

Screw EDI. I can't stand the way how in ME2 and 3 BioWare makes Shepard so goddamn depended on an AI's assistence.Shepard and co. saved the galaxy in 2183 without any damn AI's help.(The VI Vigil's aid was indespensible of course.) I mean really -- come on.The way they act like an N7 ranked Alliance Officer wouldn't have anticipated that Cerberus might try to vent the area of the space station that his assault team comprimised.Is absurd. Space station seige warfare has been going on for over two-thousand years in the Mass Effect Series. Humans have been at it for at least 30 or more years. I highley doubt that this was Shepard's first rodeo.

o Ventus wrote... I don't know why you included the physical space between the two of them as a negative point though.

Because body language and facial expressions matter. BioWare has been using such things more and more frequently in thier games.I can still recall how I sometimes missed a couple of clues to how Jack really felt about Shepard because I wasn't always paying attention to her facial expressions in ME2.

o Ventus wrote... Granted, her romance arc in ME3 does have its share of stupid (All of
them do, it's undeniable), but it felt (to me) more organic and
realistic than say, Jack's or Ashley's

To each his or her own I guess. Personally I think Jack & Shep's continued romance plays out the best in ME3.And its not just how they were at Purgatory that I liked so much.Grissom Academy came first so let's take a look at it:

You know... I actually had to restrain myself from starting my Jack Romance game right away after I met her there. I got ME3 on March 6th and imported my Ash romance in ME1, Tali love interest in ME 2 playthrough first. It wasn't until March 11th 2012 that I met Jack as her lover. It wasn't until March 25 th 2012 that Mir and Shep were reunited. So right now, I'm just going to list so many big and small moments that stand out in my mind in the Jack and Shep ME3 Romance.

If I had a Webcam in place to record my reactions.You would have seen me grinning and smiling from ear to ear.I was almost jumping out of my seat, cheering right along with the Grissom Academy Biotic students, when Shep and Jack make out. Jack has always been sort of unpredictable and she does not disapoint in 2186. With her words and actions she leaves no doubt as to her undying affection and desire to have Shepard in her life once more. Look at what she says to Shepard after she hits him:

Jack: That's for 'leaving' ******. (Which would indicate that she prefers to have him around and has missed him.)






And then I love how after they kiss each other with great exuberance she proceeds to give Shep an "I told you so speech. Its so sweet. And even when she's doing this -- she allows herself to be emotionally vulnerable with Shep: saying "You could have stayed." Later on when your talking to her I love how Shep says "I'm sorry I left without you." And Jack replies," Yeah, you should be.Maybe when we get out of here you can apologize some more." Once again, Jack let's Shepard know that she's still  interested in him.Physically, emotionally and socially. And for good measure after Shep says "I got to say Jack.You look good." Jack responds by saying "Save it for shore leave, big guy."

But it get's even better than that, for she continues on to say how Shep's conduct, behavior and positivity has rubbed off on her as well.And later on she mentions to Shep how she did pick up a few things from all his damn speeches. So what we have have here in a sense is a reunion better than many of us could ever imagine! She compliments Shepard, values his opinion, respects his judement, cares about him deeply and loves him greatly.

I absoultely love how Shep & Jack interact at Grissom Academy.They have each others back. (When there talking to the students) They love working together:

Jack: Shepard up here.

Shepard: You ready for this?

Jack: Hell yeah.

I love when Jack says, " Shepard watch your ass!" How she looks at him on multiple occasions. How she turns to him after Khalee Sanders says that she thinks the students may be ready to take the fight to the Reapers. The downright euphoria on her face after she and Shepard kiss here:



It is as though her life couldn't be any better than it is right now. She saved her students.Kicked Cerberus ass.And her boyfriends back. Doesn't get much better than that.

For now, let me put it this way.In Mass Effect 3 Jack & Shepard are an exicting an interesting couple to watch. :wizard:Miranda & Shepard are boring! If Shep and his love interest were offered a Reality TV Show like Bethaney Getting Married or Newlyweds: Nick and Jessica. 



Which pairings show do you think would be the most popular and have the highest ratings? Commander Shepard & Subject Zero. Hands down...

I have more to say about this topic. I'll be back.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 27 mai 2012 - 07:40 .

[Seifer006]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Why do I say this? Where do I begin. First, I just want to put it out there that this is not a "troll" thread. I'm here to discuss my views and observations of Miranda's behavior and treatment of Shepard in ME3.

Not everyone is all that comfortable with public displays of affection.So I won't hold that against her.But the contrast betwixt how Jack greets her boyfriend whom she hasn't seen in six months and how
Miranda does. Is just... Wow.

Okay, Jack is full of energy, excitement, passion and enthusiasm --when Shepard walks back into her life.I love how Jack literally is about to make a b-line to Shepard's arms when she first sees him and the hungry look she has in her eyes. She forgets everything else in the world in that one moment; but is brought back to
her senses when she sees an Atlas Mech out of the corner of her eyes.The theme song for their reunion at Grissom Academy could be that "My Boyfriends back" song from ages ago.

Miranda's demeanor towards Shep on the other-hand is very reserved, subdued and almost stand-offish. Anyone else notice how in every scene with Shep & Miri in ME3. She puts a great amount of physical distance between them. I don't know about you, but I sort of felt like Miranda was very awkward around Shep and didn't seem like she knew what to say or what was expected of her.At first I passed it off to her being more Victorian Era like when it comes to romance. But then I remembered her correspondence with Oriana in LOTSB.

Ori ask her big sis for advise about boys, and instead of drawing from her own life experience -- Miri reads dating advise to her sis from a magazine like some Fembot. And Ori, gets understandably upset with Miri for doing this. After seeing what kind of girlfriend Ms. Lawson is in ME3. I believe BioWare was giving us a heads up with the LOTSB Miri/Ori email.

So what is my gripe? What is my beef? To speak plain, I'll put it like this: When I was with Tali in ME3, I felt as though Shep & Tali were an item. One of my favorite scenes betwixt them is post Sanctuary -- when Tali talks about how she is having a drink with her boyfriend.That acknowledgement of what Shepard is to her was very sweet and endearing.

When I was with Jack in a long distance relationship in ME3. I (surprisingly) felt all the more that Shep & Jack are involved. I love how Jack & Shep talk to one another.I always have.And the way they are in 2186 is so believable and realistic.She has her career and he has his and they both support one another.They have alot of: "So how
was your day honey?"  Conversations.Its brilliant. When I was talking to Jack at Purgatory. I wanted to take off her boots and massage her feet; while she was telling me about all the good work their doing and how she didn't appreciate having to still focus on work even when she is on Shore Leave.

But with Miranda... I was like: "Err -- are we even dating?" The chief problem that I have with Ms. Lawson, is that I felt as though she just flat out takes Commander Shepard for granted. And no one treats my Shepard like that! Not only does she take Shep for granted she tries to exploit their relationship by asking him for access to Alliance
Resources without so much as giving him a reason why.All she says is, "You have to trust me."

My brother has a saying: I trust people to be people.Shep knows from first-hand experience that Miranda would do anything for her sister.And in ME3 she makes it perfectly clear that Oriana comes first in her
life.Looking out for her sister is more important than standing by her man or helping find a way to defeat the Reapers.You see its not just that Miranda is a crappy girlfriend.What I am more dissapointed by  is
the fact that like (Shep says about TIM) the Illusive Man she has forgotten everything that she once stood for.

When we first see Miranda in ME2 I(In the Prologue) She comes across as strong, powerful and focused on saving humanity and defeating the Reapers. When we meet her in ME3, she doesn't even offer to aid
Commander Shepard in his endeavors. And for some reason Shepard doesn't even ask her too.Miranda is now the 'New" Liara in ME3. She's totally obsessed with finding her sister at the expense of everything else in
her life.Like how Dr.T'soni was about the Shadow Broker in ME2.

To some, Miranda's devotion to her sister may be seen as admirable.I just see Miranda as a big hypocrite. When I think of how "The Mission Comes First" she was during the suicide mission. And on another point
Oriana is her kryptonite.Miranda has such potential.But her attachment to her sister holds her back.For me it is no conciliation post-Sanctuary to read about how Ms.Lawson is now helping the Alliance fight Cerberus.
When you consider the fact that Garrus leaves his family back on Palaven to help Shepard.(Even though Shepard doesn't even ask him too) But Miranda is incapable of functioning until Ori is safe. That is f*cking pathetic!

I have more to say -- and I'm very interested as well in what you all think of the Miranda romance and characterization in Mass Effect 3.

though I hear what you're saying...

but remember ME3 is radically different then ME2 and even ME1 when came to "character development"
Miranda role in ME2 was so much better. What Bioware did to not only Miranda but most of the characters in ME3 was....hideous. Look how bad Samara is? How boring she is in ME3. In ME2, she was open to you. Talked about her past and the role of Jusicar's and Asari aliens.

Jack - in ME2 Jack was great. Subject Zer0 was a LI in one my playthroughs, I had Miranda LI in my other playthrough. They both showed great character deveopment and background story was given. But, in ME3 I hardly got to see any of them except for "lame cameo" appearances. WTF was EA/Bioware thinking??? It's sad to see the characters we grown to appreciate it, to have really no role or anything that is even remotely interesting in ME3 SP...

[o Ventus]

Seifer006 wrote...

It's sad to see the characters we grown to appreciate it, to have really no role or anything that is even remotely interesting in ME3 SP...

The real kicker is that Bioware thought their roles in ME3 were actually acceptable.

[CrazyGreggy]

To Mirandamancers,

Your girl becomes a space pirate fighter pilot. You can't get cooler than that.

Srsly. Cool, sexy and guaranteed no "Shepard, I'm late" talk.

Although YMMV on that last part

[MegaBadExample]

Babi_Siha wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

He'd probably have the same reaction for anyone. Like I said before, he was a lot more concerned about Ashley at the hospital than he ever was for Miranda. Dawn Bioware for shoving the VS down our throats.

Forcing the…? Ha, you know… those scenes are avoidable, right? - just don’t romance Ash in the first game. Or don't visit her in the hospital. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Despite how little we got to see of Jack… her romance was awesome! I want a character DLC for her more than anything else. Worth it!

[MrStoob]

I'd never romanced Miranda (femshep ftw). On my first play through she died on Sanctuary. I think I was more affected by Oriana's reaction to watching her big sister die, than I was by Miranda's death itself. Great scene. But I think BW did a great job of tugging our heart-strings in all the various death (and near death) scenes.

[Babi_Siha]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

He'd probably have the same reaction for anyone. Like I said before, he was a lot more concerned about Ashley at the hospital than he ever was for Miranda. Dawn Bioware for shoving the VS down our throats.

Forcing the…? Ha, you know… those scenes are avoidable, right? - just don’t romance Ash in the first game. Or don't visit her in the hospital. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Despite how little we got to see of Jack… her romance was awesome! I want a character DLC for her more than anything else. Worth it!

Yeah, except that on my first playthrough I wanted to do everything, but more importantly I wanted to go to the hospital to say some nasty though truthful things to Ashley and all I got was the option to say "I don't know". I never got to to say a lot more because BW wanted Liara or the VS to be Shepard's true love.

I had romanced her already before the second game came out, you know before Horizon when she was still a likable despite slightly obnoxious character.

And even if I didn't go to the hospital to visit, I played paragon. When we were on Mars Liara asked how Shepard did it and if you take the paragon answer he stares longing at Ashley. People who play paragons will go for that response without knowing this will happen, I had to reload the scene because I hated that. So isn't that shoving a LI down our throats? Because it sure feels like the player doesn't have the choice here, BW is already making that for you.

About Jack, she's not that popular to have a character DLC just for her.