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[MegaBadExample]

Babi_Siha wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

And when Shepard saw Miranda was getting ambushed in the video he was concerned. Shepard said "Damn it." and "Hope she's ready for him."

He'd probably have the same reaction for anyone. Like I said before, he was a lot more concerned about Ashley at the hospital than he ever was for Miranda. Dawn Bioware for shoving the VS down our throats.

Forcing the…? Ha, you know… those scenes are avoidable, right? - just don’t romance Ash in the first game. Or don't visit her in the hospital. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Despite how little we got to see of Jack… her romance was awesome! I want a character DLC for her more than anything else. Worth it!

Yeah, except that on my first playthrough I wanted to do everything, but more importantly I wanted to go to the hospital to say some nasty though truthful things to Ashley and all I got was the option to say "I don't know". I never got to to say a lot more because BW wanted Liara or the VS to be Shepard's true love.

I had romanced her already before the second game came out, you know before Horizon when she was still a likable despite slightly obnoxious character.

And even if I didn't go to the hospital to visit, I played paragon. When we were on Mars Liara asked how Shepard did it and if you take the paragon answer he stares longing at Ashley. People who play paragons will go for that response without knowing this will happen, I had to reload the scene because I hated that. So isn't that shoving a LI down our throats? Because it sure feels like the player doesn't have the choice here, BW is already making that for you.

About Jack, she's not that popular to have a character DLC just for her.

If you didn't want your Shepard to care about Ash. It's rather simple - don't romance her in the first game. She almost died on Mars. Obviously a Commander/old lover would show concern for a comrade (or more) in that situation even if you two had a falling-out/disagreement, which the girl apologized for? Don't tell me she hurt your sensitive Shepard's ego that badly now?

Even with the longing look on Mars, Ash is still an old lover even if you moved on to someone else. Your Shepard might have moved on to whoever in ME2, but the fact remains, your Shepard once cared about her at some point to be in that relationship with her. So don't romance her in ME1, if that's not what you want.

I think BioWare handled it well, and it made sense, could’ve been better mind you. Of course, Shepard can understandably get a little upset when she brings up your new love interest in the hospital, then Shepard can bitterly snap and correct her for it.

Now... If you didn't romance Liara in ME1, used all the paragon options when talking to her in 3, then talked to her mother at the bar who says “boyfriend” when you two aren't even in a romantic relationship at all (or ever have been) - that's forcing a love interest down your throat. That, and also her taking up your final flashback photo.

It's not "forcing" if there is a way around it.

[Babi_Siha]

MegaBadExample wrote...

If you didn't want your Shepard to care about Ash. It's rather simple - don't romance her in the first game. She almost died on Mars. Obviously a Commander/old lover would show concern for a comrade (or more) in that situation even if you two had a falling-out/disagreement, which the girl apologized for? Don't tell me she hurt your sensitive Shepard's ego that badly now?

True, but like I said, I did romance her already and didn't feel like making another playthrough. And it's not a matter of ego, my two favorite LIs are Miranda and Thane and the same thing happened with Ash and Kaidan. I get that despite everything that happened Shepard would still care for them, like he/she was worried at the hospital, but he was more worried about Ash than Miranda on Sanctuary (even after he made sure he wasn't interested in Ash anymore), same thing about Kaidan (which I also romanced in my first playthrough), Shepard was really upset about him being hurt, but seeing Thane dying was okay. 

I get people romancing the VS and I respect their choices, what I don't like is how BioWare handled the romances for the ME2 LIs (the dextro team being an exception).

Even with the longing look on Mars, Ash is still an old lover even if you moved on to someone else. Your Shepard might have moved on to whoever in ME2, but the fact remains, your Shepard once cared about her at some point to be in that relationship with her. So don't romance her in ME1, if that's not what you want.

Again, not gonna start another playthrough just because of that. And realistically speaking, you don't long about someone who treated you like *hit, called a traitor without even giving you a chance to explain, at least I know I wouldn't.

Now... If you didn't romance Liara in ME1, used all the paragon options when talking to her in 3, then talked to her mother at the bar who says “boyfriend” when you two aren't even in a romantic relationship at all (or ever have been) - that's forcing a love interest down your throat. That, and also her taking up your final flashback photo.

It's not "forcing" if there is a way around it.

That's annoying, but at least it's a bug. On my seconf playthrough Aethyta said "like a Commander who used to work for Cerberus". Other than the bug, I actually agree with you on that. The flashback is awful, I like Liara and wouldn't opose having her there as a friend as long as at least I got to see my LIs too.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

NOT TRUE!

[yesikareyes]

Miranda is the best girlfriend ever... Liara is second. That is all.

[MegaBadExample]

@Babi_Siha

Have you seen the dialogue in Sanctuary? The whole thing spells out "rushed" to me. Shepard seems incapable of speaking more than four words in a sentence when talking to Miranda. It's like he just nods his head and agrees with her in the shortest way possible.

But you are comparing two scenes which are very different.
-Ashley gets her head smashed in by a mech, then drops to the floor, lifeless.
-Shepard walks in to a hostage situation, but he can see Miranda's eyes are open, she can move, walk ect.

My Shepard did. After pursuing a relationship, and getting to know who Ash is... I guess he understood that Ash was confused and hurt, and that she had a right to be. He accepted her apology, and accepted the fact that they weren't together anymore.

If anybody is forced, it is Liara. The VS isn't a requirement. That's all I wanted to say.

[Babi_Siha]

Sanctuary really was rushed, like the whole game. But think like that, you know a crazy terrorist/assassin has attacked your girlfriend and you can't see what happened next, anyone would be nervous and Shepard just didn't show any concern other than that apathetic "damn it". And if Miranda happens to die, Shepard doesn't seem all that broken heart about it.

BioWare just didn't give much thought, if any, for ME2 LIs, that's why I feel the VS and Liara were forced to us. Liara was, of course, a lot more forced, because at least the VS had to be romanced for the things I mentioned to happen.

[o Ventus]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Sanctuary really was rushed, like the whole game. But think like that, you know a crazy terrorist/assassin has attacked your girlfriend and you can't see what happened next, anyone would be nervous and Shepard just didn't show any concern other than that apathetic "damn it". And if Miranda happens to die, Shepard doesn't seem all that broken heart about it.

BioWare just didn't give much thought, if any, for ME2 LIs, that's why I feel the VS and Liara were forced to us. Liara was, of course, a lot more forced, because at least the VS had to be romanced for the things I mentioned to happen.

About Miranda dying... He emotes if she dies from Henry's gunshot.

For about half a second. Then he goes RIGHT BACK to being monotone Sheploo.

[MegaBadExample]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Sanctuary really was rushed, like the whole game. But think like that, you know a crazy terrorist/assassin has attacked your girlfriend and you can't see what happened next, anyone would be nervous and Shepard just didn't show any concern other than that apathetic "damn it". And if Miranda happens to die, Shepard doesn't seem all that broken heart about it.

BioWare just didn't give much thought, if any, for ME2 LIs, that's why I feel the VS and Liara were forced to us. Liara was, of course, a lot more forced, because at least the VS had to be romanced for the things I mentioned to happen.

Shepard says "damn it" focuses himself to fight, then runs through the whole Sanctuary to save her? What's the problem?

Oh, they gave thought to Tali and Garrus all right. You might not think it, but Ashley wasn't that much better off. She got the short end of the stick when it came to the ME1 romances by far.

[ubermensch007]

I just wanted to say, after playing The Citadel DLC I believe Miranda Lawson redeems herself  Way to go BioWare.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I just wanted to say, after playing The Citadel DLC I believe Miranda Lawson redeems herself  Way to go BioWare.

 

There's not much to say that hasn't already been said to some level here. I like that they added more intimate moments for her, but the relationship between the two was never one that was hugely broadcast or taken.

 

Also, nice necro...

[ubermensch007]

There's not much to say that hasn't already been said to some level here. I like that they added more intimate moments for her, but the relationship between the two was never one that was hugely broadcast or taken.

 

Also, nice necro...

 

You know actually, I need to sort of take back what i said about Miranda's girlfriend status being redeemed by the Citadel DLC. I wasn't thinking about how I felt the first time I played the Citadel DLC which was in June of 2013. I choose to use my Miranda Romance for the first playthrough. And to say I was dissapointed by her interactions whith Shepard at his apartment is putting it mildly.   We may all at times be a victim of our own expectations; but I still feel that my expectations of her after what Shepard has just been through is just...

 

If anyone should have been sympathetic. If anyone should have been there to offer Shepard some solace and comfort. It should have been  the woman who herself is some bizarro clone science project. Hell she has a twin sister who is a clone of her! I would think that she would have been pretty freaked out herself by Shepard's clone. Instead like all your other squadmates, she makes light of the whole situation, being flippant. Acting like its just another day at the office. Now I can understand why many in your squad make jokes about it all. There not really taking what Shepard has been through lightly. There trying to use humor to add levity to some really effed up sh!t. But Miranda should not have used the same tactic as the others. She should have spoke to Shepard in private as Liara does post Lair of the Shadow Broker in Shepard's Cabin.

 

So no. I stand by the title of this thread. Miranda is (still) a crappy girlfriend.   I prefer to have her as a friend to Shepard instead of a lover anyway. I think she's better written as Shepard's friend than his lover.