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[Edolix]

Bob3terd wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...

Strictly speaking none of the other species in Mass Effect are 'people' that's a human word to describe other humans, not giant alien pink jelly fish with religious leanings that communicate with bioluminescent patterns, for instance.

The Geth, and all the other aliens, do however meet all the scientific criteria for being classed as both ALIVE, and SAPIENT. Which is really what we mean when we say 'people' anyway.

So either no, the Geth, Turians, Hanar and everyone one else that isn't a ****** Sapien aren't 'people', or yes, they all are, be they made of Dextro protein, or synthetic materials, or whatever.

Both are strictly speaking 'true', but only one makes you sound like a bigoted wanker.

This post has my vote for post of the week.

[Big I]

Shallyah wrote...
You can argue that's not very diferent to how a human reacts, but I'll call you wrong. If I see a friend outmatched and outnumbered, I'll get over the fear to get hurt and jump at their necks to rip them appart. Something I probably wouldn't do if the person that is being outnumbered and outmatched is someone I don't like or don't know. If Geth #252 sees another Geth outnumbered he'll run an objective analysis of the situation based on its programmed protocols and act in consequence without any factors affecting its decission. It doesn't matter if the Geth that is outnumbered and outmatched is Geth #253 or Geth #12931 since they don't even know what being a friend means, their behavior always boils down to simple calcultions.

Both you and this imaginary geth ran calcualtions. Your calculations merely placed a higher value to emotional attachment than to the likelihood of success/survival, or to your hardwired responses (i.e. the fight or flight instinct).


Chakwas and Adams discuss this very issue.  I agree with Adams.


Here's a question to all te geth haters - are the rachi alive? It's hard to think of a more alien species than a psychic insect hive creature, yet they clearly possess intelligence and emotion even if their pyschology is completely different from the human norm.

[FS3D]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If I'm trolling, then that means that you can prove that Geth are people.

Please do so.

Non-sequitur.

[vixvicco]

Grimwick wrote...

OP, learn what the term 'sentient life' means and then come back.

They are still machines, sentinent or not. They are not a legitamite race. In the end, people think the Geth are cute and thats why they get all angry with anyone who does not like them or share the same silly viewpoints. Join the IT theorists whilst you're at it.

[Rane7685]

vixvicco wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

OP, learn what the term 'sentient life' means and then come back.

They are still machines, sentinent or not. They are not a legitamite race. In the end, people think the Geth are cute and thats why they get all angry with anyone who does not like them or share the same silly viewpoints. Join the IT theorists whilst you're at it.

Whats a legitimate race? lol

[Chaoswind]

Lol at troll thread

Geth are programs
And if the virtual aliens are considered people by the council races then so are the Geth.
Set

Point

Match

Chaoswind wins

Fatality

[Shatterhand1701]

OP and thread reported. Have a nice weekend.

[Stalker]

Oh look, which Krogan hater troll is back... reported.

[Grimwick]

vixvicco wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

OP, learn what the term 'sentient life' means and then come back.

They are still machines, sentinent or not. They are not a legitamite race. In the end, people think the Geth are cute and thats why they get all angry with anyone who does not like them or share the same silly viewpoints. Join the IT theorists whilst you're at it.

What I'm saying is that the geth are defined as 'sentient life'. This gives them the same rights of equality as we give ourselves. Of course, actually putting that equality into practice is anthropomorphism - which is racist - but it does mean that the killing of geth is murder in exactly the same way as killing human life.

What the hell is a legitimate race? Some people don't understand what 'life' actually means...

[matthewmi]

The Geth are an artificial race of robots, do I feel attachment to them? I've only encountered one Geth in all my time in game that can be considered friendly. Every other Geth has been hostile, so I should hold the fate of one group of robots over the whole Galaxy? Sorry if I have to choose between saving the Geth and killing the reapers allowing races to move forward on their own, I'd choose destroy.

[legion999]

matthewmi wrote...

The Geth are an artificial race of robots, do I feel attachment to them? I've only encountered one Geth in all my time in game that can be considered friendly. Every other Geth has been hostile, so I should hold the fate of one group of robots over the whole Galaxy? Sorry if I have to choose between saving the Geth and killing the reapers allowing races to move forward on their own, I'd choose destroy.

The Geth were hostile while under Reaper control. As were the Rachni. Should we wipe them both out?

[vurtual3]

No they're not people. But they are intelligent and sentient with the capability to be far more intelligent than any organics relatively quickly after they become self-aware. You can save both species if you want to ,no? The fact that organic civilizations throughout the cycles can't accept,control,or choose to live without AI is the theme of ME3 ,and this is true whether you want it to be or not.

[Joccaren]

vixvicco wrote...

They are still machines, sentinent or not. They are not a legitamite race. In the end, people think the Geth are cute and thats why they get all angry with anyone who does not like them or share the same silly viewpoints. Join the IT theorists whilst you're at it.

Please explain how they are not a legitimate race.
Because they are different to we are? Do I Need to bring up the last guy that used that to try and justify attempted Genocide?

Being strictly honest here, you and the Geth are the exact same blooming thing. The difference? The atoms that make you up.
You're atoms are Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Sulfur and Phosphorous.
Theirs are likely Silicon, Iron, Plutonium, Gold, Platnium, Iridium, Paladium and Element Zero.

You both 'exist' due to eletrical impulses passing along the circuitry in your central processing units - in laymans terms, your brains.
What makes up these central processing units is different from us to the Geth, but how we both work is the exact same.

We move our arms by sending electrical impulses from our brains, down our nerves, to our muscles, telling them to act.
Geth do so by sending electrical impulses from their CPU, down cables or something to their equivilent of muscles, telling them to move.

If you can explain how the Geth are legitimately different from any other form of life in a significant way, I see no reason to believe your assertion.

[matthewmi]

legion999 wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

The Geth are an artificial race of robots, do I feel attachment to them? I've only encountered one Geth in all my time in game that can be considered friendly. Every other Geth has been hostile, so I should hold the fate of one group of robots over the whole Galaxy? Sorry if I have to choose between saving the Geth and killing the reapers allowing races to move forward on their own, I'd choose destroy.

The Geth were hostile while under Reaper control. As were the Rachni. Should we wipe them both out?

They willingly joined up with the reapers twice in the Geths case, the rachni queen was captured and wanted to be freed from the reapers.  Willfully choosing to help the reapers is a rather large problem for the Geth.  I never killed the Rachni in my games they didn't choose to help the reapers the Geth made that choice.

[Rane7685]

legion999 wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

The Geth are an artificial race of robots, do I feel attachment to them? I've only encountered one Geth in all my time in game that can be considered friendly. Every other Geth has been hostile, so I should hold the fate of one group of robots over the whole Galaxy? Sorry if I have to choose between saving the Geth and killing the reapers allowing races to move forward on their own, I'd choose destroy.

The Geth were hostile while under Reaper control. As were the Rachni. Should we wipe them both out?

I did

[legion999]

matthewmi wrote...

legion999 wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

The Geth are an artificial race of robots, do I feel attachment to them? I've only encountered one Geth in all my time in game that can be considered friendly. Every other Geth has been hostile, so I should hold the fate of one group of robots over the whole Galaxy? Sorry if I have to choose between saving the Geth and killing the reapers allowing races to move forward on their own, I'd choose destroy.

The Geth were hostile while under Reaper control. As were the Rachni. Should we wipe them both out?

They willingly joined up with the reapers twice in the Geths case, the rachni queen was captured and wanted to be freed from the reapers.  Willfully choosing to help the reapers is a rather large problem for the Geth.  I never killed the Rachni in my games they didn't choose to help the reapers the Geth made that choice.

A small portion of the Geth helped the Reapers the first time, the second time was for survival since Admiral idiot and the Quarians attacked them.

[lillitheris]

Too.

[legion999]

Rane7685 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

The Geth are an artificial race of robots, do I feel attachment to them? I've only encountered one Geth in all my time in game that can be considered friendly. Every other Geth has been hostile, so I should hold the fate of one group of robots over the whole Galaxy? Sorry if I have to choose between saving the Geth and killing the reapers allowing races to move forward on their own, I'd choose destroy.

The Geth were hostile while under Reaper control. As were the Rachni. Should we wipe them both out?

I did

Why you so renegade? I guess it's better that way they won't be exposed to the ending.

[legion999]

vixvicco wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

OP, learn what the term 'sentient life' means and then come back.

They are still machines, sentinent or not. They are not a legitamite race. In the end, people think the Geth are cute and thats why they get all angry with anyone who does not like them or share the same silly viewpoints. Join the IT theorists whilst you're at it.

So because they're machines we should kill them? Great logic.

[Shaoken]

The Geth pass the Turing test. "I think, therefore I am." If you sat down in one room and Legion in another and you conversed at length, but never saw him, you would think that you were talking to another person.

Therefore, they are sentient and therefore people.

OP is just a speciest against beings that don't fit his definition of "alive."

Modifié par Shaoken, 13 mai 2012 - 12:24 .

[BunBun299]

Yearlongjester wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

And thus Legion is the only Geth who is an individual who was only created to interact with the outside world.

Legion is actually a mini-collective of geth.

This. Legion is over a thousand singular Geth stored in a single platform. Ignoring the troll, the question becomes:

"Is Legion a single person, or over a thousand people?"

I believe the correct answer is Yes.

[Paragon Fury]

You know what OP?

I'll just let Captain Picard **** slap you for me.

[Rane7685]

legion999 wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

The Geth are an artificial race of robots, do I feel attachment to them? I've only encountered one Geth in all my time in game that can be considered friendly. Every other Geth has been hostile, so I should hold the fate of one group of robots over the whole Galaxy? Sorry if I have to choose between saving the Geth and killing the reapers allowing races to move forward on their own, I'd choose destroy.

The Geth were hostile while under Reaper control. As were the Rachni. Should we wipe them both out?

I did

Why you so renegade? I guess it's better that way they won't be exposed to the ending.

Well I had to pick between rachni and aralakh so I chose aralakh. The rachni have a history of destroying the galaxy or trying to so that factored a little into the decision. One platoon is unlikely to be a  huge threat after the war is over. Also they were my company (or at least my friend Grunts company) and it seemed less appropriate to sacrifice them for the rachni.

As for the geth well Legion didnt give me much of a choice. Every instance thus far where reaper tech has been used has been an utter disaster. We (and the geth) do not fully comprehend the tech (though Mirandas father seems to do pretty well enough to scare the reapers at least) and yett Legion wants to upload reaper data to the geth. This comes after fighting through a tonne of geth who have REAPER code and are hostile. The last thing I need when Im retaking earth is the reapers taking control of the geth again and having to fight both reapers AND geth.

If Legion had asked for my help defending them from the quarians the Normandy wouldve been their bulwark but as it was I had to reluctantly refuse protection and begrudgingly support the quarians

[shurryy]

ROFL! Looking at the reaction from 90% of the people in this thread I can safely say: people are so dumb...Like it or not, the OP is right. Geth are tools. They were created to be tools and nothing more, they were never intended to become self-aware and rebel against the creators. If you sided with the geth, you actually did commit massive genocide. When you side with the Quarians all you do is destroy some tools that can be recycled and turned into new tools.

Saying that Geth is an own living race is like saying my hammer hanging in my shed is it's own living race.

[Zkyire]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 If you sided with the geth and committed genocide on the Quarians then you deserve to have genocide committed on you because geth, and synthetics as a whole, are not people. Therefore you have killed a beautiful, breathing, organic race for a bunch of tools, which really should be used as ****** pots and nothing more.


http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

The evidence you have put forth is irrefutable.


..oh wait.