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[Kaelef]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So that's enough to make you a person?

[Tapkomet]

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

I guess you could do that fo Chrillze.

Sorry that I'm being so on-topic. Here, have a spiderpony.

[M Hedonist]

Chrillze wrote...
so being sentient makes them living creatures?

yes

LOL learn biology please,

Learn common sense

[Chrillze]

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So that's enough to make you a person?

Yeah because I wasn't a created machine in the first place, and I would have an organic real brain

[Kaelef]

Tapkomet wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

I guess you could do that fo Chrillze.

Sorry that I'm being so on-topic. Here, have a spiderpony.

I'm really liking the Spider-Men and ponies and spiderponies, by the way.  Keep up the good work!

[M Hedonist]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

What if your memories, personality and neural functions would be ported to a computer?

[Kaelef]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So that's enough to make you a person?

Yeah because I wasn't a created machine in the first place, and I would have an organic real brain

So being a person is all about having an organic brain?  That's what it comes down to?

[Ender Ghost]

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Disney owns Marvel... Thats like saying the president and the president will never find me here!

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II am sorry, I wasn't supposed to post this at all. I pressed "quote" instead of "edit".

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I messed up yhe quotes but you get the idea.

Modifié par Ender Ghost, 13 mai 2012 - 08:50 .

[Reign Tsumiraki]

 

[Xellith]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

[Chrillze]

Xellith wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

a person has to be alive, the geth are not alive they are machines

[Kaelef]

Chrillze wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

a person has to be alive, the geth are not alive they are machines

What is "alive"?

[M Hedonist]

Chrillze wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

a person has to be alive, the geth are not alive they are machines

And being alive means having an organic brain?

[Chrillze]

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

a person has to be alive, the geth are not alive they are machines

What is "alive"?

 
1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. the Geth are not composed of cells and they can't reproduce

Modifié par Chrillze, 13 mai 2012 - 08:55 .

[Kaelef]

Chrillze wrote...

1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

So if I made a robot from the ground up based on cells and able to reproduce, it would meet all your criteria for being "alive" and therefore capable of being a "person"?

[Chrillze]

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

So if I made a robot from the ground up based on cells and able to reproduce, it would meet all your criteria for being "alive" and therefore capable of being a "person"?

how would a robot be based on cells?

[Kaelef]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

So if I made a robot from the ground up based on cells and able to reproduce, it would meet all your criteria for being "alive" and therefore capable of being a "person"?

how would a robot be based on cells?

It's hardly impossible.  We're nearly at the point of being able to create usable organic computers and machines today - never mind 100 years from now.

Do a little research.  Get yourself some learnin'.

It just happens to be far easier (and, so far, more useful) to create machines and computers using silcon and metal.

Modifié par Kaelef, 13 mai 2012 - 08:58 .

[poundoffleshaa]

Cell are small living unit so build your robots out of nanites and you have a cell based robot.

[Chrillze]

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

So if I made a robot from the ground up based on cells and able to reproduce, it would meet all your criteria for being "alive" and therefore capable of being a "person"?

how would a robot be based on cells?

It's hardly impossible.  We're nearly at the point of being able to create usable organic computers and machines today - never mind 100 years from now.

Do a little research.  Get yourself some learnin'.

if it's made out of cells and can repoduce I wouldn't call it a machine

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

So if I made a robot from the ground up based on cells and able to reproduce, it would meet all your criteria for being "alive" and therefore capable of being a "person"?

how would a robot be based on cells?

It's hardly impossible.  We're nearly at the point of being able to create usable organic computers and machines today - never mind 100 years from now.

Do a little research.  Get yourself some learnin'.

It just happens to be far easier (and, so far, more useful) to create machines and computers using silcon and metal.

Did you parhaps hear about how we've been able to create synthetic RNA strands that reproduce?

[Tapkomet]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

a person has to be alive, the geth are not alive they are machines

What is "alive"?

 
1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. the Geth are not composed of cells and they can't reproduce

[M Hedonist]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

So if I made a robot from the ground up based on cells and able to reproduce, it would meet all your criteria for being "alive" and therefore capable of being a "person"?

how would a robot be based on cells?

Nanites.
Synthetic cells.
Doesn't matter, don't weasel your way out of this one. Actually, while you're at it, you could answer this one, too:

Sauruz wrote...

Chrillze wrote...
But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

What if your memories, personality and neural functions would be ported to a computer?

Modifié par Sauruz, 13 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[Ender Ghost]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

a person has to be alive, the geth are not alive they are machines

What is "alive"?

 
1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

Let me interject for just a moment, that definition is extremely dated considering ME is X number of hundreds of years in the future with alien races galor, using that definition to fit every alien race just will not work at all, biology standards are going to be challenged and so are moral and philisophical views.
But the geth fit both of those standards, when you shoot them they "bleed" (And check out their arms, muscle tissue right there), and they can create new run times, thus fitting the reproduction.

[legion999]

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

so helping the quarians make them living creatures now? and geth are not a group of people they are machines

You're very fixated on this whole "machine" thing. 

What if I scooped your brain out and stuck it in a robot body.  Would you no longer be a "person"?  Should I then consider you no more alive or important than a toaster?

But I still have a real organic brain then don't I? 

So your personal definition of a "person" would be "anything whatsoever as long as it had an organic brain"?

a person has to be alive, the geth are not alive they are machines

What is "alive"?

A miserable little pile of secrets. And having a brain somehow makes you alive? Lolwut? Are bacteria not alive?

[Kaelef]

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. 

So if I made a robot from the ground up based on cells and able to reproduce, it would meet all your criteria for being "alive" and therefore capable of being a "person"?

how would a robot be based on cells?

It's hardly impossible.  We're nearly at the point of being able to create usable organic computers and machines today - never mind 100 years from now.

Do a little research.  Get yourself some learnin'.

if it's made out of cells and can repoduce I wouldn't call it a machine

Really?  So it could be completely man-made, in a lab, from the ground-up, and designed to - I don't know - stack boxes, but you wouldn't call it a machine?

Now we just switched sides in the argument!