Chrillze wrote...
if someone is infertile they have a sickness, most humans can reproduce and that person would still be a humanlegion999 wrote...
So if someone is infertile they're not alive? Are the Krogan not alive? Anyway we don't know how the Geth are even created.
Chrillze wrote...
because it's alive?Kaelef wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
I would actually call Legion and the other geth a ''person'' but I would not call any of them ''living people'' and that's why I don't consider it genocide to wipe them out, because they are not alive.
Okay, you gave an honest answer - so I'm going to keep at this...
What's wrong with killing something that's alive? (Honest question.)
Chrillze wrote...
if someone is infertile they have a sickness, most humans can reproduce and that person would still be a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
no I did not, you must have misread it then, bacteria are alive. they can repoducelegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
nice trying to twist what I saidlegion999 wrote...
A miserable little pile of secrets. And having a brain somehow makes you alive? Lolwut? Are bacteria not alive?
That is what you said.
So if someone is infertile they're not alive? Are the Krogan not alive? Anyway we don't know how the Geth are even created.
the thing about ''building a machine out of cells'' and the one about ''todays morals, and assumptions doesn't work in the mass effect universe because its more than 100 years in the future'' are redicioulus.legion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
it's hard to respond to all questions when I get 20 at a time, or when they are stupid, or when people make rediculous asumptionsXellith wrote...
Notice that he hasnt actually responded to any direct questions.
Hardly a ridculous assumption. And that's a handwave excuse saying it's stupid.
A dead person is composed of cells.Chrillze wrote...
1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. the Geth are not composed of cells and they can't reproduce
Chrillze wrote...
the thing about ''building a machine out of cells'' and the one about ''todays morals, and assumptions doesn't work in the mass effect universe because its more than 100 years in the future'' are redicioulus.legion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
it's hard to respond to all questions when I get 20 at a time, or when they are stupid, or when people make rediculous asumptionsXellith wrote...
Notice that he hasnt actually responded to any direct questions.
Hardly a ridculous assumption. And that's a handwave excuse saying it's stupid.
This isn't about biology.Chrillze wrote...
the artificial beings are not alive, learn biology instead of saying that all i say is bull****Sauruz wrote...
No Spiderman pic can properly illustrate how stupid that is.Chrillze wrote...
I would actually call Legion and the other geth a ''person'' but I would not call any of them ''living people'' and that's why I don't consider it genocide to wipe them out, because they are not alive.Kaelef wrote...
Chrillze -
I know that this sounds condescending, and I apologize for that, but the problem is that your definitions of "alive" and "machine" are extremely naive and limited. They're definitions that are easy to break. You haven't thought deeply enough about what these things really mean (which is why you can't really explain yourself any more thoroughly than you have). They're just gut feelings at this point. It's like the old "I know it when I see it" definition of "pornography".
And if you're just trolling me and don't actually believe what you're saying, then I hope you die in a fire.
So, wiping out an entire species of animals would be genocide sicne they're living, but wiping out sentient artificial beings wouldn't be? That's bull****. Like others said, your defintion of 'alove' is narrow and simple-minded.
Chrillze wrote...
the thing about ''building a machine out of cells'' and the one about ''todays morals, and assumptions doesn't work in the mass effect universe because its more than 100 years in the future'' are redicioulus.legion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
it's hard to respond to all questions when I get 20 at a time, or when they are stupid, or when people make rediculous asumptionsXellith wrote...
Notice that he hasnt actually responded to any direct questions.
Hardly a ridculous assumption. And that's a handwave excuse saying it's stupid.
the geth builds new geth, they don't reproduce. the human race as a whole can reproduce and the infertile person is a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
if someone is infertile they have a sickness, most humans can reproduce and that person would still be a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
no I did not, you must have misread it then, bacteria are alive. they can repoducelegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
nice trying to twist what I saidlegion999 wrote...
A miserable little pile of secrets. And having a brain somehow makes you alive? Lolwut? Are bacteria not alive?
That is what you said.
So if someone is infertile they're not alive? Are the Krogan not alive? Anyway we don't know how the Geth are even created.
So how does reproducing make one alive then? The Geth certainly increase their numbers. In a way alien to us certainly but still as alien as the other species which are considered "alive".
Chrillze wrote...
the geth builds new geth, they don't reproduce. the human race as a whole can reproduce and the infertile person is a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
if someone is infertile they have a sickness, most humans can reproduce and that person would still be a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
no I did not, you must have misread it then, bacteria are alive. they can repoducelegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
nice trying to twist what I saidlegion999 wrote...
A miserable little pile of secrets. And having a brain somehow makes you alive? Lolwut? Are bacteria not alive?
That is what you said.
So if someone is infertile they're not alive? Are the Krogan not alive? Anyway we don't know how the Geth are even created.
So how does reproducing make one alive then? The Geth certainly increase their numbers. In a way alien to us certainly but still as alien as the other species which are considered "alive".
Hogge87 wrote...
A dead person is composed of cells.Chrillze wrote...
1. it has to be composed of cells and 2. it has to be able reproduce. the Geth are not composed of cells and they can't reproduce
There are humans whom aren't fertile.
I found this definition of life, which I think could potentially apply to future machines:
The physical, mental, and spiritual experiences that constitute existence: the artistic life of a writer.
The fact of the matter is: we're all debating this because there is no answer yet. As a matter of fact, it wasn't until the 20th century when scientists could agree that animals indeed are alive. Before that, many thought that animals were genetic machines, solely acting by predictable instincts, "genetic programming", completely unable to feel emotions, thus making it ethically defendable to for example push horses off cliffs to get a good shot in a movie, or to perform particularly cruel animal tests. We might one day find that mechanical life is conceived as such a certainty, that younger generations will look down upon us for even doubting it.
That being said, I still sympathise more with the Quarians than Geth. In ME3, it's clearly shown that some Quarians wanted to help the Geth. But as there are no Quarians on Rannoch, that means that all of them, even the collaborators were exterminated by the Geth.
I don't know what will happen a hundred years into the future so i can just speak for what we know todaylegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
the thing about ''building a machine out of cells'' and the one about ''todays morals, and assumptions doesn't work in the mass effect universe because its more than 100 years in the future'' are redicioulus.legion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
it's hard to respond to all questions when I get 20 at a time, or when they are stupid, or when people make rediculous asumptionsXellith wrote...
Notice that he hasnt actually responded to any direct questions.
Hardly a ridculous assumption. And that's a handwave excuse saying it's stupid.
Wut? Building a machine out of cells isn't impossible and neither is the idea that our definitions of words will become incorrect within a hundred years.
Chrillze wrote...
the geth builds new geth, they don't reproduce. the human race as a whole can reproduce and the infertile person is a human
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EsterCloat wrote...
Didn't this come up before but with Krogan? With the same type of bad photoshop job?
I don't get trolls. I get trolling every once and a while but when it's the majority of what you do online? It's like they're the annoying class clown who won't shut up because they need constant attention.
Shatterhand1701 wrote...
OP and thread reported. Have a nice weekend.
DoktorAffentanz wrote...
G Kevin wrote...
This was so exactly what I thought when reading the OP.
I mean, seriously man, what's wrong with you? You want to kill all Krogans, now the Geth, but oh savce all the quarians! I don't throw these words easy around, esp. because I'm german, but let me ask you a question: Are you a ****?
Edit: Interresting... never knew that certain words are automatically blanked out.
Hope you can figure out what I wanted to know.
Modifié par kookie28, 13 mai 2012 - 09:23 .
Chrillze wrote...
the geth builds new geth, they don't reproduce. the human race as a whole can reproduce and the infertile person is a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
if someone is infertile they have a sickness, most humans can reproduce and that person would still be a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
no I did not, you must have misread it then, bacteria are alive. they can repoducelegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
nice trying to twist what I saidlegion999 wrote...
A miserable little pile of secrets. And having a brain somehow makes you alive? Lolwut? Are bacteria not alive?
That is what you said.
So if someone is infertile they're not alive? Are the Krogan not alive? Anyway we don't know how the Geth are even created.
So how does reproducing make one alive then? The Geth certainly increase their numbers. In a way alien to us certainly but still as alien as the other species which are considered "alive".
kookie28 wrote...
I think it's easy to say the people wouldn't be taking this so seriously if it weren't for Legion.
you know how IVF works right?Reign Tsumiraki wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
the geth builds new geth, they don't reproduce. the human race as a whole can reproduce and the infertile person is a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
if someone is infertile they have a sickness, most humans can reproduce and that person would still be a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
no I did not, you must have misread it then, bacteria are alive. they can repoducelegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
nice trying to twist what I saidlegion999 wrote...
A miserable little pile of secrets. And having a brain somehow makes you alive? Lolwut? Are bacteria not alive?
That is what you said.
So if someone is infertile they're not alive? Are the Krogan not alive? Anyway we don't know how the Geth are even created.
So how does reproducing make one alive then? The Geth certainly increase their numbers. In a way alien to us certainly but still as alien as the other species which are considered "alive".
We build humans as well.
We take in resources, and construct an entirely new organism, just in a different manner.
They take in resources, construct new platforms and storage devices, then replicate their programs.
Reproduction in every sense of the word.
Dominus Solanum wrote...
EsterCloat wrote...
Didn't this come up before but with Krogan? With the same type of bad photoshop job?
I don't get trolls. I get trolling every once and a while but when it's the majority of what you do online? It's like they're the annoying class clown who won't shut up because they need constant attention.Shatterhand1701 wrote...
OP and thread reported. Have a nice weekend.DoktorAffentanz wrote...
G Kevin wrote...
This was so exactly what I thought when reading the OP.
I mean, seriously man, what's wrong with you? You want to kill all Krogans, now the Geth, but oh savce all the quarians! I don't throw these words easy around, esp. because I'm german, but let me ask you a question: Are you a ****?
Edit: Interresting... never knew that certain words are automatically blanked out.
Hope you can figure out what I wanted to know.
Normally I don't support trolling, but this has been elevated to an art form, complete with artistic integrity. Ten pages of people actually arguing with the OP, [Adam voice] on some REAL levels [/Adam voice], five or so people aware that he's screwing with BSN, 10 pages of hilarious spiderman photos and then ten MORE pages of people arguing with each other over the OP again.
This is gold. Why are you so angry?
lol just ****** off please, just google bioglogy and lifeKaelef wrote...
Ok - I'm bailing on this. I'm starting to feel bad for cornering Chrillze, even if it was mostly honest inquiry. He (?) clearly doesn't have enough information to defend his position. (It doesn't help that his position is indefensible...)
MisterJB wrote...
Does anyone wants to make a bet on which species will the next thread be focused on?
I say vorcha.
I never said geth can't be called people, I just said that they are not alive and destroying thme isn't genocide.o Ventus wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
the geth builds new geth, they don't reproduce. the human race as a whole can reproduce and the infertile person is a human
Geth don't reproduce. Geth aren't people.
Humans reproduce. Humans are people.
Infertile humans can't reproduce. Infertile humans are people.
What?
The geth building new units IS reproduction, just not sexual. That's like saying that a budding plant isn't reproducing, or cellural mitosis isn't reproduction.
Chrillze wrote...
you know how IVF works right?Reign Tsumiraki wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
the geth builds new geth, they don't reproduce. the human race as a whole can reproduce and the infertile person is a humanlegion999 wrote...
Chrillze wrote...
if someone is infertile they have a sickness, most humans can reproduce and that person would still be a human
So how does reproducing make one alive then? The Geth certainly increase their numbers. In a way alien to us certainly but still as alien as the other species which are considered "alive".
We build humans as well.
We take in resources, and construct an entirely new organism, just in a different manner.
They take in resources, construct new platforms and storage devices, then replicate their programs.
Reproduction in every sense of the word.
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