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[ZIPO396]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If two Geth have the same experiences throughout their life span, you will have two geth which are exactly the same. The same would not be true for an organic person.

I just want to jump in again for a sec just because of how wrong you are with that line.

All Geth share everything all of their experiences and encounters everything. So you can say they've all had exactly the same life. But yet on an individual level they can and have in the past still acted uniquely to each other.

[Kaelef]

Quarians. UGH!! Amirite??

[Raiil]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

KiroKatashi wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

KiroKatashi wrote...

Isn't this the same guy that said there is no reason to cure the genophage because he thinks krogan are all dumb brutes and "we should take the fight to Tuchanka and exterminate them as a race"?

Krogan aren't people. They are an abomination.

But weren't you basing your entire definition of "person" on being organic? Are krogan synthetic now?

Krogan lack the higher brain functionings of higher forms of life. They are not people.

Their cognition only allows them two basic thoughts. One causes their genitals to throb and the other causes them to enter blood rage.

Krogan are shown to have had an advanced culture before the 'uplifting', and they have scientists amoungst their ranks. One is working (begrudgingly) on crop advancement in part 2.

[TheClonesLegacy]

TheFinalDoctor wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Krogan lack the higher brain functionings of higher forms of life. They are not people.

Their cognition only allows them two basic thoughts. One causes their genitals to throb and the other causes them to enter blood rage.

I love how you now use arguments that were actually used to support racism in the real world.

History Repeats itself man...
Even if it's a Fictional Race of Space Dinosaurs

[Necrotron]

Umm...I think the story of Mass Effect, the trilogy, will beg to differ with you.

The authors go to great lenghts to prove that synthetic beings (e.g. AI) are in fact, alive.  It is, in fact, a key element in the franchise.

[wantedman dan]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

It's still true man
I think the Geth are cool, But they are robots..The only one who I ever liked was Legion cause we had Crazy Space adventures....
Also answer My question
How can one be  rascist against a Fictional Race of Robots?

I'll answer your question with another:

How is it appropriate to judge someone by the basis of their superficial nature? So what if they're pixels on a screen; you've entered the Mass Effect universe, ergo you're dealing with those people. 

[wantedman dan]

BlahDog wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

While racism is valid, it certainly isn't a good base for an debate. Sure, if you can make a good argument, then you're fine but the original post is hardly a good argument.

If you're going to be bais against another species, try and make an argument more than "and synthetics as a whole, are not people." Otherwise, you aren't going to be recieved well at all.

You just contradicted yourself.

Where?

Check the emboldened and get back with me.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

[Cobretti ftw]

everybody falling for the obvious troll prank =/

[Raiil]

Cobretti ftw wrote...

everybody falling for the obvious troll prank =/

It's more like tapping the glass at the zoo, trying to see how it will react next.

[Raiil]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

Geth underwent an evolutionary period of their own, it just happens to be digital. The Quarians did not write AI programs; they wrote VI programs that eventually achieved awareness on their own.

[wantedman dan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

How is it racism? Well, there is the whole "juding a particular race because they are a particular race" thing, for one. Or am I missing something?

[Kaelef]

ZIPO396 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If two Geth have the same experiences throughout their life span, you will have two geth which are exactly the same. The same would not be true for an organic person.

I just want to jump in again for a sec just because of how wrong you are with that line.

All Geth share everything all of their experiences and encounters everything. So you can say they've all had exactly the same life. But yet on an individual level they can and have in the past still acted uniquely to each other.

The story goes out of its way on a couple of occassions to explaint that this is NOT the way they work.  The geth are individuals who can communicte very quickly and efficiently.  They do not share the same experience.

[Catamantaloedis]

The Krogan are purely a savage race. They destroyed their imitation of a real civilization, and many of them praise this fact. They enacted genocide of the Rachni. They attempted genocide against the rest of the galaxy in their rebellions, launching space stations at inhabited worlds, undoubtedly killing millions if not billions. They breed like rabbits.

The genophage did not go far enough. The Krogan are a threat of galactic importance because their minds are completely consumed by reproduction and genocide. The civilized races need to drive the Krogan back to Tuchanka. Destroy all resistance, which should not be hard because they lack a fleet, and incinerate their entire species. They are not worthy of life, and no krogan man, woman, or child should be allowed to hold onto, except as slaves to be used as a warning against the barbaric Yahg and Vorcha, and for scientific experiments to cruel for dogs and lab rats.

[wantedman dan]

Kaelef wrote...

ZIPO396 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If two Geth have the same experiences throughout their life span, you will have two geth which are exactly the same. The same would not be true for an organic person.

I just want to jump in again for a sec just because of how wrong you are with that line.

All Geth share everything all of their experiences and encounters everything. So you can say they've all had exactly the same life. But yet on an individual level they can and have in the past still acted uniquely to each other.

The story goes out of its way on a couple of occassions to explaint that this is NOT the way they work.  The geth are individuals who can communicte very quickly and efficiently.  They do not share the same experience.

I think what he was saying there was that the Geth share their experiences as though they were something physical, not that they are completely collectivized.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Valentia X wrote...

Cobretti ftw wrote...

everybody falling for the obvious troll prank =/

It's more like tapping the glass at the zoo, trying to see how it will react next.

Exactly That's what I've been doing the Whole Damn time I've been on this Thread....And I sprouted a Philosophical Debate n' stuff HUZZAH Results

[Khajiit Jzargo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

How is it racism? Well, there is the whole "juding a particular race because they are a particular race" thing, for one. Or am I missing something?

They are not a race, I don't agree with what the Quarians did, but at the end of the day they were suppose to be tools nothing else.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

Finally someone Understands

[Raiil]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

How is it racism? Well, there is the whole "juding a particular race because they are a particular race" thing, for one. Or am I missing something?

They are not a race, I don't agree with what the Quarians did, but at the end of the day they were suppose to be tools nothing else.

Key word being supposed. They awoke. Tali even states that the Quarians did what they did because at that point, keeping the Geth in their condition would be akin to slavery.

[RoboticWater]

wantedman dan wrote...

Check the emboldened and get back with me.

Valid, as in it works. It just doesn't work very well. If you come off as a racist, then most people will probably not want to listen to you. You can counteract that by making a good argment for your side.

Well-supported racism (not necessarily good in a moral sense):
Krogan should not be cured because:
-They are burtish and violent
-They have constantly said they will have revenge
-They do not produce anything necessary to the galactic economy
-Without Wrex, Krogan are sill going to be the way they are

You would need to elaborate on all of these points to make it actually good but i don't have the time or energy.

No-so-well-supported argument:
See OP

Modifié par BlahDog, 13 mai 2012 - 06:08 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Valentia X wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

Geth underwent an evolutionary period of their own, it just happens to be digital. The Quarians did not write AI programs; they wrote VI programs that eventually achieved awareness on their own.

That's a good point I got to admit, But I still believe if I had to choose one, I would choose the Quarian, still I love the Geth.

[wantedman dan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

They are not a race, I don't agree with what the Quarians did, but at the end of the day they were suppose to be tools nothing else.

What? No, seriously, what?

Just because they were only intended to be "tools" does not forgo them the right to being a race. Do you seriously not understand how literally our own history, as humans, contradicts this notion?

That's a level of stupid I can't even comprehend, if so.

[Rip504]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Quarians>>>>>Geth.

Bro come at me.

+1

[ZIPO396]

wantedman dan wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

ZIPO396 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If two Geth have the same experiences throughout their life span, you will have two geth which are exactly the same. The same would not be true for an organic person.

I just want to jump in again for a sec just because of how wrong you are with that line.

All Geth share everything all of their experiences and encounters everything. So you can say they've all had exactly the same life. But yet on an individual level they can and have in the past still acted uniquely to each other.

The story goes out of its way on a couple of occassions to explaint that this is NOT the way they work.  The geth are individuals who can communicte very quickly and efficiently.  They do not share the same experience.

I think what he was saying there was that the Geth share their experiences as though they were something physical, not that they are completely collectivized.

Something like that.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Valentia X wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are guys calling him a troll? I don't agree but he has a valid point which I can understand.

Racism isn't valid. That is why he is a troll.

How is it racism? I love Legion but at the end of the day he's just a robot, the Quarians are a species evolution created. I don't get it... What am I missing here, how is this racist?

How is it racism? Well, there is the whole "juding a particular race because they are a particular race" thing, for one. Or am I missing something?

They are not a race, I don't agree with what the Quarians did, but at the end of the day they were suppose to be tools nothing else.

Key word being supposed. They awoke. Tali even states that the Quarians did what they did because at that point, keeping the Geth in their condition would be akin to slavery.

Think about it like this, When they first created they were tools, then they became advanced or whatever and the Quarians decided to take them out., Obviously the fought back. If you look at it like that, Would you destroy the Quarian species because they created something they didn't want to, or the Geth, machines that happen to evolve.