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[TheClonesLegacy]

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[Rip504]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I'm going to write what I wrote to the other guy. "Imagine this, Imagine right now in reality we were to create something like the Geth just for the purpose to serve us, then they evolved and we wanted to take them out before it was to dangerous. Who do you you would back. Something we accidently created or us." I know it was out of self defense and just because I don't agree with your points does not mean I don't pay attention to the game, stop assuming things. IMO if something was created, the creator holds the ultimate power to do what it wishes with what he creates, period.

Parents create children,sometimes on accident. When a child becomes an adult the parent no longer holds this right. The Geth became Adults,a sentient race. The Quarians were wrong,but so were the Geth in the long run. As they prevented communication between Organics and themselves etc etc. I will always choose the Quarians over the Geth,but acknowledge the Geth as a people. Peace is obviously the best path. Morally I side with the Quarians,as the Citadel Council and all of Citadel Space also wanted the Geth shut down. AS AI anything is illegal in Citadel Space. Pressure from all sides.

Edit: Sorry Also the Geth went pass "self-defense" IMO

Modifié par Rip504, 13 mai 2012 - 06:43 .

[RoboticWater]

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...
Wrex.

Alright, it was funny the first three times but now it's just wasting space

Modifié par BlahDog, 13 mai 2012 - 06:37 .

[wantedman dan]

BlahDog wrote...

I did interpret racism, quite litterally. I took the word, I gave you the meaning of that word, and showed you that "Racism...based upon ignorance and stereotyping" is a false statement.

Obviously not, otherwise you would have understood the context which you, yourself, had given.

Historically, our own racism as the Human race, has been inherently predicated upon ignorance and the overall lack of knowledge for the "other." This ignorance led to hatred via false assumptions (i.e. the Jews are evil, Blacks are subservient).

Furthermore, this ignorance of the "other" and its culture led to stereotyping, which is epitomized in your defense, as well as the defense you outlined in a former post. 

So no, you didn't show me anything. In fact, the only thing you've shown me is that you never paid attention in any of your civics or history classes.

[vixvicco]

Bathaius wrote...

Umm...I think the story of Mass Effect, the trilogy, will beg to differ with you.

The authors go to great lenghts to prove that synthetic beings (e.g. AI) are in fact, alive.  It is, in fact, a key element in the franchise.

If people can believe in the  IT, I can believe that they are not alive. They are metal, and computer chips. We're all allowed to have our beliefs right? 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You weren't originally created in this world to serve as a machine, Therefore your mother would be wrong. Imagine this, Imagine right now in reality we were to create something like the Geth just for the purpose to serve us, then they evolved and we wanted to take them out before it was to dangerous. Who do you you would back. Something we accidently created or us.

So basically, you'd succumb to ignorance if that were the case. Rather than understand something--just as the Quarians did, mind you--you'd rather destroy it because you don't know what it was.

Intelligent.

When they first created they were robots, then they became advanced on their own, in matter of fact extremely advanced. HELL YEAH I would destroy it.

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

Exactally Why not ponder an AI growing and Evolving and Learning to co-exist with it, Just blow it up that's So the thing to do right?

I wrote somethign else after that, I edited it but you probaly didn't see it on time "Especially remember, at that time to the Quarians they were just tools, the fact they were upgrading themselve becomes scary, Would I have took it to the point the Quarians did no....But I understand and would have done something similar with a few changes" So no I wouldn't just completely destroyed them.

[wantedman dan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

If at the time it was something you created as a MACHINE and you wanna destroy it, how is that war?

The point being that the Geth were not "macines" at the time of their attempted destruction, which you're ignoring.

They were observably aware, yet the quarians still tried to eradicate them.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

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The point being the Quarian's made a huge mistake. Had you paid attention, the Geth only fought back in self-defense and after the Quarians fled, they stopped attacking. 

If you had some reasoning as to why you'd save the Quarians over the Geth, I'd be producing it.

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Parents create children,sometimes on accident. When a child becomes an adult the parent no longer holds this right. The Geth became Adults,a sentient race. The Quarians were wrong,but so were the Geth in the long run. As they prevented communication between Organics and themselves etc etc. I will always choose the Quarians over the Geth,but acknowledge the Geth as a people. Peace is obviously the best path. Morale I side with the Quarians,as the Citadel Council and all of Citadel Space also wanted the Geth shut down. AS AI anything is illegal in Citadel Space. Pressure from all sides.
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I agree, But like you said, I will always choose the Quarians over the Geth, always.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 13 mai 2012 - 06:40 .

[Drummernate]

We have a soul.

You are just jealous.

We are also better dancers than you.




The Quarians created something and then tried to kill them all, then they tried to kill me for trying to help them.

Their fault.

I killed them for it.

They desereved it.

Sure there are a few (What... 3? ) nice Quarians, but the Geth are ALL awesome.

Why save a race of jerks instead of a race of awesome things?

Modifié par Drummernate, 13 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[Chrome tater tot]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If I'm trolling, then that means that you can prove that Geth are people.

Please do so.

The instant something becomes self-aware it is considered a person, hence the term sentient being. Geth are self-aware, sentient beings and hence are considered a people. /thread.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

BlahDog wrote...

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...
Wrex.

Alright, it was funny the first three times but now it's just wasting space

This is a troll topic anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

[Clayless]

Taboo-XX wrote...

And here is the man who claimed that Bioware supported Fascism.

Terrible trolling.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You weren't originally created in this world to serve as a machine, Therefore your mother would be wrong. Imagine this, Imagine right now in reality we were to create something like the Geth just for the purpose to serve us, then they evolved and we wanted to take them out before it was to dangerous. Who do you you would back. Something we accidently created or us.

So basically, you'd succumb to ignorance if that were the case. Rather than understand something--just as the Quarians did, mind you--you'd rather destroy it because you don't know what it was.

Intelligent.

When they first created they were robots, then they became advanced on their own, in matter of fact extremely advanced. HELL YEAH I would destroy it.

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

Exactally Why not ponder an AI growing and Evolving and Learning to co-exist with it, Just blow it up that's So the thing to do right?

I wrote somethign else after that, I edited it but you probaly didn't see it on time "Especially remember, at that time to the Quarians they were just tools, the fact they were upgrading themselve becomes scary, Would I have took it to the point the Quarians did no....But I understand and would have done something similar with a few changes" So no I wouldn't just completely destroyed them.

ok I understand what you mean(people do dumb stuff whe Terrified)...Yeah I tend to Edit in my actual explainations in afterwards...which is what caused my issues with Wantedman or whatever his name is

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 13 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[G Kevin]

Alright, I'll bite.

The way I see it.

We are all made of star stuff. Organics are, in a sense, natural. They are created simply from the laws of nature. No organic has more authority over another because they are essentially the same.

Synthetics on the other hand are created artificially. They are made for the benefit of their creators which in this case are organics. Without organics need of synthetics, synthetics would never exist. In this light, the Geth would not exist if it were not for the Quarians need of them. It was a complete accident.

Now it could be argued that organics are accidents as well because maybe the laws of nature did not want us to become part of it. However, the laws of nature support life. They support organics.

I find the Geth worthy to keep around, after all they are not threatening us. However, they are more dangerous than organics ever will be. What stops them from being Reapers 2.0?

I'm going a bit off topic here but I felt the above needed to be said.

Are Geth people? Maybe, but for now, they are not.

We cannot consider them people in the traditional sense. I guess that can be partly due to the reason that we have not interacted with any other form of life than our own. Until we get more evidence to other forms of life, we cannot call the Geth people.

Personally, I think the Geth seem to "act" as people without being so themselves. They show emotion because they learn it from organics. It is not natural. Which is my issue.

In this video: 

You can see that Sonny, the robot, learned the significance of a wink. If you continue to watch the rest of the video, you see the general idea of the whole organics vs synthetics. I can see the potential for equality here but so far I have not seen it. In the movie, synthetics were essentially equal and unique in their own way. In Mass Effect, they were seen as hostile machines that were apparently people too and we should feel bad for them.

I think synthetics are cool and all but I cannot think of them as people in the traditional sense.

Modifié par G Kevin, 13 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[hoodaticus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

My ass hurts.

Poop.

[KotorEffect3]

So the OP is anti-gethite just like he is also anti-krogite

[TheClonesLegacy]

G Kevin wrote...



In this video: 


I think synthetics are cool and all but I cannot think of them as people in the traditional sense.

I love that movie 
Also Yeah I sorta agree in a sense

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 13 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

If at the time it was something you created as a MACHINE and you wanna destroy it, how is that war?

The point being that the Geth were not "macines" at the time of their attempted destruction, which you're ignoring.

They were observably aware, yet the quarians still tried to eradicate them.

They knew they were self-aware but they were still machines to them....

[Khajiit Jzargo]

G Kevin wrote...

Alright, I'll bite.

The way I see it.

We are all made of star stuff. Organics are, in a sense, natural. They are created simply from the laws of nature. No organic has more authority over another because they are essentially the same.

Synthetics on the other hand are created artificially. They are made for the benefit of their creators which in this case are organics. Without organics need of synthetics, synthetics would never exist. In this light, the Geth would not exist if it were not for the Quarians need of them. It was a complete accident.

Now it could be argued that organics are accidents as well because maybe the laws of nature did not want us to become part of it. However, the laws of nature support life. They support organics.

I find the Geth worthy to keep around, after all they are not threatening us. However, they are more dangerous than organics ever will be. What stops them from being Reapers 2.0?

I'm going a bit off topic here but I felt the above needed to be said.

Are Geth people? Maybe, but for now, they are not.

We cannot consider them people in the traditional sense. I guess that can be partly due to the reason that we have not interacted with any other form of life than our own. Until we get more evidence to other forms of life, we cannot call the Geth people.

Personally, I think the Geth seem to "act" as people without being so themselves. They show emotion because they learn it from organics. It is not natural. Which is my issue.

In this video: 

You can see that Sonny, the robot, learned the significance of a wink. If you continue to watch the rest of the video, you see the general idea of the whole organics vs synthetics. I can see the potential for equality here but so far I have not seen it. In the movie, synthetics were essentially equal and unique in their own way. In Mass Effect, they were seen as hostile machines that were apparently people too and we should feel bad for them.

I think synthetics are cool and all but I cannot think of them as people in the traditional sense.

This is exactly what I think.

[Ravenmyste]

Drummernate wrote...

We have a soul.

You are just jealous.

We are also better dancers than you.




The Quarians created something and then tried to kill them all, then they tried to kill me for trying to help them.

Their fault.

I killed them for it.

They desereved it.

Sure there are a few (What... 3? ) nice Quarians, but the Geth are ALL awesome.

Why save a race of jerks instead of a race of awesome things?

and we have nice.... hardware.... when you see a female quarian we can jack into their suit and  do things to the females hehe

oh i am so going to get day ban i just know it. with trying to sound dirty for a geth platform..

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Alright, I'll bite.

The way I see it.

We are all made of star stuff. Organics are, in a sense, natural. They are created simply from the laws of nature. No organic has more authority over another because they are essentially the same.

Synthetics on the other hand are created artificially. They are made for the benefit of their creators which in this case are organics. Without organics need of synthetics, synthetics would never exist. In this light, the Geth would not exist if it were not for the Quarians need of them. It was a complete accident.

Now it could be argued that organics are accidents as well because maybe the laws of nature did not want us to become part of it. However, the laws of nature support life. They support organics.

I find the Geth worthy to keep around, after all they are not threatening us. However, they are more dangerous than organics ever will be. What stops them from being Reapers 2.0?

I'm going a bit off topic here but I felt the above needed to be said.

Are Geth people? Maybe, but for now, they are not.

We cannot consider them people in the traditional sense. I guess that can be partly due to the reason that we have not interacted with any other form of life than our own. Until we get more evidence to other forms of life, we cannot call the Geth people.

Personally, I think the Geth seem to "act" as people without being so themselves. They show emotion because they learn it from organics. It is not natural. Which is my issue.

In this video: 

You can see that Sonny, the robot, learned the significance of a wink. If you continue to watch the rest of the video, you see the general idea of the whole organics vs synthetics. I can see the potential for equality here but so far I have not seen it. In the movie, synthetics were essentially equal and unique in their own way. In Mass Effect, they were seen as hostile machines that were apparently people too and we should feel bad for them.

I think synthetics are cool and all but I cannot think of them as people in the traditional sense.

This is exactly what I think.

I agree

[RoboticWater]

wantedman dan wrote...

Obviously not, otherwise you would have understood the context which you, yourself, had given.

Historically, our own racism as the Human race, has been inherently predicated upon ignorance and the overall lack of knowledge for the "other." This ignorance led to hatred via false assumptions (i.e. the Jews are evil, Blacks are subservient).

Furthermore, this ignorance of the "other" and its culture led to stereotyping, which is epitomized in your defense, as well as the defense you outlined in a former post. 

So no, you didn't show me anything. In fact, the only thing you've shown me is that you never paid attention in any of your civics or history classes.

All you have shown is that you are not reading my posts.

I have said that racism for humans has been from ignorance "That may be in our history but that is only because the races we persecuted had nothing really wrong with them."

I never siad that ignorance is a good argument. I was merely stating that racism can be defeneded if properly supported. I gave you the definition of racism so that you would stop misinterpreting it.

Racisim does not inherently come from ignorance and steryotypes. Racism is general hate toward a race. This hate can come from any reason. Yes, those reasons are usually sterotypes but that may not always be true.

Modifié par BlahDog, 13 mai 2012 - 06:51 .

[wantedman dan]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

If at the time it was something you created as a MACHINE and you wanna destroy it, how is that war?

The point being that the Geth were not "macines" at the time of their attempted destruction, which you're ignoring.

They were observably aware, yet the quarians still tried to eradicate them.

They knew they were self-aware but they were still machines to them....

Which still does not make the Quarians correct. I would still forgive you if you're being purposely obtuse at this point.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Drummernate wrote...

We have a soul.

You are just jealous.

We are also better dancers than you.




The Quarians created something and then tried to kill them all, then they tried to kill me for trying to help them.

Their fault.

I killed them for it.

They desereved it.

Sure there are a few (What... 3? ) nice Quarians, but the Geth are ALL awesome.

Why save a race of jerks instead of a race of awesome things?

All geth are awesome?? Even though they were under reaper control, The Geth have tried to killed an uncountable amount of times, and killed Jenkins and Kaidan.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Ravenmyste wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

We have a soul.

You are just jealous.

We are also better dancers than you.




The Quarians created something and then tried to kill them all, then they tried to kill me for trying to help them.

Their fault.

I killed them for it.

They desereved it.

Sure there are a few (What... 3? ) nice Quarians, but the Geth are ALL awesome.

Why save a race of jerks instead of a race of awesome things?

and we have nice.... hardware.... when you see a female quarian we can jack into their suit and  do things to the females hehe

oh i am so going to get day ban i just know it. with trying to sound dirty for a geth platform..

This comment inspires me to make the following post.

We know quarian suits can "lock down" sections to prevent contamination and movement. 

So, what if a bunch of Geth programs take control of a Quarian's suit, lock it down, and turn on the nerve stimulator to maximum, and leave said Quarian there for an hour?