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[dreman9999]

 Most peopel miss this due to the fact that one of the three are the most popular commented on.
Let's go over all 3.

1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone knows. It the one that stated everything after Shepard is down by harbinger is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands out by having Shepard still on earth.

2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.

3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.)

All these version at the  point of star child  has varied directions of results of theries of the end.
Being:
The war is not over yet. And based on the choice Shepard makes he may or may not beat indoctination

It's a selecting of whether Sharperd activated the crucble or not. In reality.

It's a choice of ending the reapers  or letting them use the crucible as they see fit.("You let them implant you? Are you insane! " Shepard...ME1)

They are all tricks to get you to kill yourself.

Reguardless of what theory is used, Shepard is in the process of indoctriation till he makes a choice.
With that, it still means we don't know whats the results of the end reguardless.
Cheers.

Modifié par dreman9999, 29 mai 2012 - 02:08 .

[dunre646]

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

[Bill Casey]

Also, whether or not the child at the beginning is real is a separate theory that relates to these theories...

[TSA_383]

To be honest, I think 3 will die a death, given the apprently multi-megaton (fireball ~10km across) explosion, lack of helmet etc.
It'd be very surprising to find more than 20% of shep's ashes on a single continent after something like that...

Instead, he/she's alive, and you can hear wind noise, not something often found in space

Modifié par TSA_383, 13 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[The Invisible Commando]

Denial Theory or DT: The belief that the ending is so bad that it can not be the real ending. After the shock and denial come in:

must....find...way...to..explain....ending....

[dreman9999]

TSA_383 wrote...

To be honest, I think 3 will die a death, given the apprently multi-megaton (fireball ~10km across) explosion, lack of helmet etc.
It'd be very surprising to find more than 20% of shep's ashes on a single continent after something like that...

Instead, he/she's alive, and you can hear wind noise, not something often found in space

3 can merge with Hallutionation theory. It means Shep never left that room. But I get your point. Shepard really can't be there at the cataylist conversation.

[dreman9999]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Denial Theory or DT: The belief that the ending is so bad that it can not be the real ending. After the shock and denial come in:

must....find...way...to..explain....ending....

Let me ask you this.....How does TIM control Shepard and Anderson ?Why is he controling them? Whatis said about indoctriantion on how soon it  happens? Why is Shepard having every indoctriantion symtom at one when TIM walks into the room?

[United_Strafes]

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

No it gets a bad rap because it doesn't exist, they've said it, it's not going to change, the endings are what they are, get over it.

[Cirreus]

4. Bad Editing. The control sequence was cut. (from the Final Hours app).

Bioware hasn't explained anything. I doubt the ExCut will either. If that's the case, IT just isn't true.

I love IT (all flavors of the rainbow). I'm hoping IT is thefted for the ExCut, but there is one striking reason in my mind why IT isn't real. We (fans) made it up. One fan can have some really stupid ideas, but "fans" on the other hand are f.ucking awesome. The whole of the community will always be smarter than the individual creator (or small group).

Bottom line ... BSN > EA/Bioware when it comes to creativity ... for better or worse.

[TSA_383]

Cirreus wrote...

4. Bad Editing. The control sequence was cut. (from the Final Hours app).

Bioware hasn't explained anything. I doubt the ExCut will either. If that's the case, IT just isn't true.

I love IT (all flavors of the rainbow). I'm hoping IT is thefted for the ExCut, but there is one striking reason in my mind why IT isn't real. We (fans) made it up. One fan can have some really stupid ideas, but "fans" on the other hand are f.ucking awesome. The whole of the community will always be smarter than the individual creator (or small group).

Bottom line ... BSN > EA/Bioware when it comes to creativity ... for better or worse.

IT is not a fan creation, the evidence is right there in the game's own files and in the themes of the damn story...
Besides, what is actually said in the final hours app is that they had a control-mechanic that would alter the player's actual controls, but that they couldn't find an easy way to implement it alongside dialogue so that game mechanic was scrapped. Note, the game mechanic, not the concept.

Not going to go into too much here, but if you think Bioware couldn't come up with this you're not too familiar with some of their older titles:
http://social.biowar.../index/10973597

United_Strafes wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

No
it gets a bad rap because it doesn't exist, they've said it, it's not
going to change, the endings are what they are, get over it.

Trouble is, do you really understand what they are?
Go read "Brave New World", it's listed as an influence on ME3 and it's actually rather an interesting book.

Modifié par TSA_383, 13 mai 2012 - 05:21 .

[dreman9999]

United_Strafes wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

No it gets a bad rap because it doesn't exist, they've said it, it's not going to change, the endings are what they are, get over it.

Why does Shepard get every sign of indoctrination when TIM take control of him?

[dunre646]

Bill Casey wrote...

Also, whether or not the child at the beginning is real is a separate theory that relates to these theories...

when we first see the kid he may have been real, but once the kid starts to interact with shep and only shep that part is the start of the IT

[dunre646]

United_Strafes wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

No it gets a bad rap because it doesn't exist, they've said it, it's not going to change, the endings are what they are, get over it.

maybe, but the IT fixes a lot of the potholes the ending creates

[Bill Casey]

dunre646 wrote...

when we first see the kid he may have
been real, but once the kid starts to interact with shep and only shep
that part is the start of the IT

If he's fake when he's interacting with Shepard, he might as well be fake at the beginning...
After all, he's controlling a toy Normandy in the opening shot...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 13 mai 2012 - 05:24 .

[dunre646]

Bill Casey wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

when we first see the kid he may have
been real, but once the kid starts to interact with shep and only shep
that part is the start of the IT

If he's fake when he's interacting with Shepard, he might as well be fake at the beginning...
After all, he's controlling a toy Normandy in the opening shot...

shep might have seen the boy playing in the park and the memory of the kid is what the reapers are using as part of the indoctrination attempt. but with the timing about the reapers entering the sol system it's hard to say

[Bill Casey]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Denial Theory or DT: The belief that the ending is so bad that it can not be the real ending. After the shock and denial come in:

must....find...way...to..explain....ending....

That doesn't hold water...
I thought Shepard was fighting indoctrination after the first dream sequence...

There were theories on here that the child was a figment of Shepard's imagination when we only had the demo...

There are threads from over 2 years ago theorizing Shepard will have to fight indoctrination in the third game...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 13 mai 2012 - 05:29 .

[ZIPO396]

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

I think most people don't like it because it means they haven't saved Earth/the galaxy yet.

Bill Casey wrote...

I thought Shepard was fighting indoctrination after the first dream sequence...

I thought it was definietly possibly happening since then to.

Modifié par ZIPO396, 13 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[Grimgaww]

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

So smart guy tell us something that we already do't know.

[Grimgaww]

dunre646 wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

No it gets a bad rap because it doesn't exist, they've said it, it's not going to change, the endings are what they are, get over it.

maybe, but the IT fixes a lot of the potholes the ending creates

+ making lots of others ....

[dunre646]

ZIPO396 wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

I think most people don't like it because it means they haven't saved Earth/the galaxy yet.

well as it is the galaxy and earth is screwed

[dunre646]

Grimgaww wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

No it gets a bad rap because it doesn't exist, they've said it, it's not going to change, the endings are what they are, get over it.

maybe, but the IT fixes a lot of the potholes the ending creates

+ making lots of others ....

namely?

[dreman9999]

Opsrbest wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Denial Theory or DT: The belief that the ending is so bad that it can not be the real ending. After the shock and denial come in:

must....find...way...to..explain....ending....

Let me ask you this.....How does TIM control Shepard and Anderson ?Why is he controling them? Whatis said about indoctriantion on how soon it  happens? Why is Shepard having every indoctriantion symtom at one when TIM walks into the room?

TIM is unexplainable from an in game perspective. At no point in time is it ever really established why TIM can control Shepard other then the assumption and leap of logic that is made that, in order to facilitate control TIM is using the manufactured Reaper signal and implants based on Reaper tech to control Shepard through his implants or an increased form of Biotic or Kenetic fields.

What the ending presents really, since Sanctuary if you then proceed into the Cerberus Base and Priorty: (Retake??)Earth in both the narrative and game play  is a very confused and jumbled mess. Non of the actions and proceeding actions in those events make any form of sense. I think this is where Bioware really relied on their ability to tell a story and hope that no one noticed the empty spaces those sections leave; and how unfinished they ultimatly present the game. 

It not a leap of logic. It's deductive reasoning.
TIM has been spending all of ME3 learning everything about indoctriantion. The applies everything he learns on himself. And suddenly he uses indoctriation onShepard .(And it is...The game code calls it indoctriation....
)

Point beening every thing in the codex tells us indoctriantion does not happen quickly and He's doing it to Anderson as well....Anderson how has been spending the entire game fighting reapers on earth.......
You and I both know beign in contact with reaper do a certin thing. And Shepard has been in contact with reapers on and off for 3 years.
.......Saying that Shepard was not indoctrination is like saying you not sick when you have a fever,coughing and sneezing after being near sick people with a cold.

[dreman9999]

dunre646 wrote...

Grimgaww wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

dunre646 wrote...

the IT gets a bad rap because people don't understand it. maybe it's the name that confuses some people.

No it gets a bad rap because it doesn't exist, they've said it, it's not going to change, the endings are what they are, get over it.

maybe, but the IT fixes a lot of the potholes the ending creates

+ making lots of others ....

namely?

The entire ending.

[recentio]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

Denial Theory or DT: The belief that the ending is so bad that it can not be the real ending. After the shock and denial come in:

must....find...way...to..explain....ending....