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[Sdrol117]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

But the reapers want to control everything, so it doesnt prove anything. You have yet to prove Shepard /IS/ indoctrinated. No **** they tried, that much is obvious from Arrival. But it doesn't mean he /is/ he was barely in contact with the artifact. 

1. The reaper want to impose order on everything...Not control everythting directly.
2.Did you miss everything in ME2 that points to Harbinger going aftershepard sacificly.
3.Shepard was hit with waves of indoctrination feilds...the last one was so strong it knoched Shepard out. Then Shepard was out for 2 days on the same base of the artifact....That's enough time to get the ball rolling.
4. The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

1. The reapers want to make a new reaper, but they destroy everything, and they are controlled by some kid, and the reapers don't actually understand why they do what they do, so really any argument about the Reapers intentions is a waste of time for both of us.
2. Harbinger never went after Shepard specifically, idk what you're on about, they were clearly harvesting places where Shepard wasn't even at, and Shepard just showed up and brought himself to where the collectors were doin their thing.
3. There's no proof that while he wasn't in the same room that contained the artifact he was still getting hit with it. 
4. Idk wtf you're even talking about, sounds like you're pulling a lot of **** out of your ass. There is no valid argument for anything you said except arrival, which was already discussed. 

Modifié par Sdrol117, 13 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

A does not follow B....

What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It doesn't "prove" anything, it does however support my claims that indoctrination is in the narrative.

....goal post moving is a weak debate tactic....

No, it provesthe intetions of the writers...

That's funny because I've posted a statement from Ray Muzyka twice now that would suggest their intentions were not what you believe them to be... But both times it's sort of been glazed over so i'll try again...

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity or those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue."

Modifié par jijeebo, 13 mai 2012 - 08:00 .

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It doesn't "prove" anything, it does however support my claims that indoctrination is in the narrative.

....goal post moving is a weak debate tactic....

No, it provesthe intetions of the writers...

You are making a leap of logic by claiming "If indocrination is in the game then Indocrination Theory" is proven. It's so wide that it's stupid.

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

A does not follow B....

What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?

There isn't just one answer.

[balance5050]

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[Sdrol117]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

A does not follow B....

What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?

There isn't just one answer.

It means you might have allergies. 

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

A does not follow B....

What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?

There isn't just one answer.

Right, there's IT, literal, uhmm what else?

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

There isn't just one answer.

Right, there's IT, literal, uhmm what else?

Intoxication Theory ftw.

Modifié par jijeebo, 13 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

Intoxication Theory ftw.

My Shepard doesn't drink

[dreman9999]

Sdrol117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

But the reapers want to control everything, so it doesnt prove anything. You have yet to prove Shepard /IS/ indoctrinated. No **** they tried, that much is obvious from Arrival. But it doesn't mean he /is/ he was barely in contact with the artifact. 

1. The reaper want to impose order on everything...Not control everythting directly.
2.Did you miss everything in ME2 that points to Harbinger going aftershepard sacificly.
3.Shepard was hit with waves of indoctrination feilds...the last one was so strong it knoched Shepard out. Then Shepard was out for 2 days on the same base of the artifact....That's enough time to get the ball rolling.
4. The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

1. The reapers want to make a new reaper, but they destroy everything, and they are controlled by some kid, and the reapers don't actually understand why they do what they do, so really any argument about the Reapers intentions is a waste of time for both of us.
2. Harbinger never went after Shepard specifically, idk what you're on about, they were clearly harvesting places where Shepard wasn't even at, and Shepard just showed up and brought himself to where the collectors were doin their thing.
3. There's no proof that while he wasn't in the same room that contained the artifact he was still getting hit with it. 
4. Idk wtf you're even talking about, sounds like you're pulling a lot of **** out of your ass. There is no valid argument for anything you said except arrival, which was already discussed. 

1. No, the reapers want to perserve orgainicsand keep them from detroying all life inthe galexy by not letting them advance enough  to make thing that destory all life in the galexy. They want to impose order.
2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.
3.Shepard walked into the room, he's hit by a wave...Sees visons and start hearing voices in his head......That is all symtoms of indoctrintion.
4.No, understand this...Husk can indoctrinate, dreagons teeth can indoctinte with out having people places on them. And husk or reaper agent can indoctriante as well. Collectors are prothean husk. Reapers of course can indoctrinate....All this you have been facing since eden prime...That's 3 years ofon anad off contact...

[Slythistle]

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

TIM also uses his fancy Reaper tech to hold Anderson and prevent him from moving. OMG Anderson is indoctrinated!

[dreman9999]

Sdrol117 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

A does not follow B....

What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?

There isn't just one answer.

It means you might have allergies. 

Allergies don't give fevers...

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Intoxication Theory ftw.

My Shepard doesn't drink

Then you lose.

[dreman9999]

Slythistle wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

TIM also uses his fancy Reaper tech to hold Anderson and prevent him from moving. OMG Anderson is indoctrinated!

Yes,I said this in my opening comment. Anderson is fighting reapers and reaper force for the entirity of ME3. he is in constant contact.

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.

Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...

A does not follow B....

What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?

There isn't just one answer.

But the problem is that every symtom of indoctrination is in the ending of the game...... If it is something else, it need to have signsthat it's something else.

[Tom Lehrer]

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 13 mai 2012 - 08:13 .

[Sdrol117]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"

And that proves IT how?

It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.

But the reapers want to control everything, so it doesnt prove anything. You have yet to prove Shepard /IS/ indoctrinated. No **** they tried, that much is obvious from Arrival. But it doesn't mean he /is/ he was barely in contact with the artifact. 

1. The reaper want to impose order on everything...Not control everythting directly.
2.Did you miss everything in ME2 that points to Harbinger going aftershepard sacificly.
3.Shepard was hit with waves of indoctrination feilds...the last one was so strong it knoched Shepard out. Then Shepard was out for 2 days on the same base of the artifact....That's enough time to get the ball rolling.
4. The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

1. The reapers want to make a new reaper, but they destroy everything, and they are controlled by some kid, and the reapers don't actually understand why they do what they do, so really any argument about the Reapers intentions is a waste of time for both of us.
2. Harbinger never went after Shepard specifically, idk what you're on about, they were clearly harvesting places where Shepard wasn't even at, and Shepard just showed up and brought himself to where the collectors were doin their thing.
3. There's no proof that while he wasn't in the same room that contained the artifact he was still getting hit with it. 
4. Idk wtf you're even talking about, sounds like you're pulling a lot of **** out of your ass. There is no valid argument for anything you said except arrival, which was already discussed. 

1. No, the reapers want to perserve orgainicsand keep them from detroying all life inthe galexy by not letting them advance enough  to make thing that destory all life in the galexy. They want to impose order.
2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.
3.Shepard walked into the room, he's hit by a wave...Sees visons and start hearing voices in his head......That is all symtoms of indoctrintion.
4.No, understand this...Husk can indoctrinate, dreagons teeth can indoctinte with out having people places on them. And husk or reaper agent can indoctriante as well. Collectors are prothean husk. Reapers of course can indoctrinate....All this you have been facing since eden prime...That's 3 years ofon anad off contact...

1. No, that's the starchild. According to sovereign in ME1, that's not how it works.
2. Do you not speak English? Idk what that even says, but hey may attempt to get ahold of the body, but he barely makes an attempt to kill you 90% of the time, so that point is moot. 
3. That is signs that they are attempting from the direct contact, but as we know it's very possible to break free of, and he had minimal contact so it'd be arguably very easy for him, as we know since ME1 Shepard has a strong will, and strong mind, but that's also shown within Saren, and other characters, and they all ignore the indoctrination and kill themselves.
4. There is a huge difference between being indoctrinated and being huskified. 

[Sdrol117]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.
[/quote]

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"
[/quote]

And that proves IT how?[/quote]It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.
[/quote]

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.[/quote]Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...[/quote]
A does not follow B....[/quote]What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?
[/quote]
There isn't just one answer.[/quote]

It means you might have allergies. 

[/quote]Allergies don't give fevers...[/quote]

To be fair, the common cold most likely won't either  so....argument owned.

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 mai 2012 - 08:22 .

[Gorkan86]

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

[jijeebo]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

[balance5050]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

I know right? 5 minutes on Eden Prime? DERP

[balance5050]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

You can only do that with the huskified creature like collectors

[Sisterofshane]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

It might be possible - the other two instances of "assuming direct control" involved direct Reaper implantation (Saren and the Collectors).

However, I believe that TIM was very much himself until after the discoveries made at Sanctuary (which is pretty late into the third game).  He then decides it is a good idea to implant himself with Reaper Technology (this occurs just before Thessia).  It is at this point he becomes indoctrinated.