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[dreman9999]

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.
[/quote]

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"
[/quote]

And that proves IT how?[/quote]It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.
[/quote]

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.[/quote]Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...[/quote]
A does not follow B....[/quote]What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?
[/quote]
There isn't just one answer.[/quote]

It means you might have allergies. 

[/quote]Allergies don't give fevers...[/quote]

To be fair, the common cold most likely won't either  so....argument owned.

[/quote]
http://www.webmd.com...u-cold-symptomsWhat are common cold symptoms?Cold symptoms usually begin with a sore throat, which usually goes away after a day or two. Nasal symptoms, runny nose, and congestion follow, along with a cough by the fourth and fifth days. Fever is uncommon in adults, but a slight fever is possible. Children are more likely to have a fever with a cold.
......

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 mai 2012 - 08:24 .

[Tom Lehrer]

dreman9999 wrote...

But the problem is that every symtom of indoctrination is in the ending of the game...... If it is something else, it need to have signsthat it's something else.

No its not.

Indoctrination is control over the limbic system. This is the part of the brain the controls our senses and higher thought processes but has nothing to do with motor control. What TIM did at the end of the game was the opposite, Sheaprd and Anderson still had control of their minds but has lost control of their bodies. 

What TIM seems to have done is attack the cerebellum. This is why Sheaprd can still argue with and talk TIM into killing himself. 

[Sdrol117]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.
[/quote]

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"
[/quote]

And that proves IT how?[/quote]It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.
[/quote]

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.[/quote]Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...[/quote]
A does not follow B....[/quote]What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?
[/quote]
There isn't just one answer.[/quote]

It means you might have allergies. 

[/quote]Allergies don't give fevers...[/quote]

To be fair, the common cold most likely won't either  so....argument owned.

[/quote]
http://www.webmd.com...u-cold-symptomsWhat are common cold symptoms?Cold symptoms usually begin with a sore throat, which usually goes away after a day or two. Nasal symptoms, runny nose, and congestion follow, along with a cough by the fourth and fifth days. Fever is uncommon in adults, but a slight fever is possible. Children are more likely to have a fever with a cold.
......
[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. 

[Gorkan86]

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

You can only do that with the huskified creature like collectors

Dr. Amanda Kenson is huskified creature?

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But the problem is that every symtom of indoctrination is in the ending of the game...... If it is something else, it need to have signsthat it's something else.

No its not.

Indoctrination is control over the limbic system. This is the part of the brain the controls our senses and higher thought processes but has nothing to do with motor control. What TIM did at the end of the game was the opposite, Sheaprd and Anderson still had control of their minds but has lost control of their bodies. 

What TIM seems to have done is attack the cerebellum. This is why Sheaprd can still argue with and talk TIM into killing himself. 

He's reffering to the whispers, the oily shadows, the shifting walls, view the reapers with superstitious awe, etc.

[balance5050]

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

You can only do that with the huskified creature like collectors

Dr. Amanda Kenson is huskified creature?

Just cause she had yellow eyes doesn't mean someone was "assuming direct control"

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But the problem is that every symtom of indoctrination is in the ending of the game...... If it is something else, it need to have signsthat it's something else.

No its not.

Indoctrination is control over the limbic system. This is the part of the brain the controls our senses and higher thought processes but has nothing to do with motor control. What TIM did at the end of the game was the opposite, Sheaprd and Anderson still had control of their minds but has lost control of their bodies. 

What TIM seems to have done is attack the cerebellum. This is why Sheaprd can still argue with and talk TIM into killing himself. 

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions. 

 
...Oh god ...It's part of the brain...

[Sisterofshane]

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

You can only do that with the huskified creature like collectors

Dr. Amanda Kenson is huskified creature?

It's possible that Kenson is supplanted with the Reaper Technology which allows for direct control.

And the codex directly states that once one is "fully" indoctrinated, it is possible for the Reapers to "bounce" signals through them.  She may be just behaving like a transciever at this point.

[dreman9999]

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.
[/quote]

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"
[/quote]

And that proves IT how?[/quote]It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.
[/quote]

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.[/quote]Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...[/quote]
A does not follow B....[/quote]What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?
[/quote]
There isn't just one answer.[/quote]

It means you might have allergies. 

[/quote]Allergies don't give fevers...[/quote]

To be fair, the common cold most likely won't either  so....argument owned.

[/quote]
http://www.webmd.com...u-cold-symptomsWhat are common cold symptoms?Cold symptoms usually begin with a sore throat, which usually goes away after a day or two. Nasal symptoms, runny nose, and congestion follow, along with a cough by the fourth and fifth days. Fever is uncommon in adults, but a slight fever is possible. Children are more likely to have a fever with a cold.
......
[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. 

[/quote]Did you not read..."
but a slight fever is possible."

[Gorkan86]

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

You can only do that with the huskified creature like collectors

Dr. Amanda Kenson is huskified creature?

Just cause she had yellow eyes doesn't mean someone was "assuming direct control"

Really?

Then I will say this. If your eyes glow blue, it does not mean that you are indoctrinated.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Unless they've made it canon for Shepard to stand around derping for hours on end during important missions... It wouldn't be that much different from average runtimes.

[balance5050]

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2. Yes, he did. You sent the collectors after him. Hire the Shadow broker to get Shepard's body...And when he didn't get him, made 3traps to get Shepard. He  even tells you he wants you when you fight collectswho are directly controled.

Why not just "assuming direct control" of TIM?

You can only do that with the huskified creature like collectors

Dr. Amanda Kenson is huskified creature?

Just cause she had yellow eyes doesn't mean someone was "assuming direct control"

Really?

Then I will say this. If your eyes glow blue, it does not mean that you are indoctrinated.

Right, but it's a strong indicator....

 

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Unless they've made it canon for Shepard to stand around derping for hours on end during important missions... It wouldn't be that much different from average runtimes.

The Normandy was rebuilt with cerberus tech, most of which is reaper tech.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Unless they've made it canon for Shepard to stand around derping for hours on end during important missions... It wouldn't be that much different from average runtimes.

The Normandy was rebuilt with cerberus tech, most of which is reaper tech.

Proof or be quiet.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Unless they've made it canon for Shepard to stand around derping for hours on end during important missions... It wouldn't be that much different from average runtimes.

The Normandy was rebuilt with cerberus tech, most of which is reaper tech.

Proof or be quiet.

Uhm, EDI.

and no... mr. intoxication theory.

[Tom Lehrer]

dreman9999 wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions. 

 
...Oh god ...It's part of the brain...

Did you even read what I said? The limbic system does not control motor functions it is the part of the brain that controls thought not the body. The cerebellum is the part of the brain that controls the body and it is not part of limbic system.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 13 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[Gorkan86]

balance5050 wrote...

Right, but it's a strong indicator....

The yellow glowing eyes and mix of Dr.Kenson and Harby's voice is strong enough?

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Unless they've made it canon for Shepard to stand around derping for hours on end during important missions... It wouldn't be that much different from average runtimes.

The Normandy was rebuilt with cerberus tech, most of which is reaper tech.

Proof or be quiet.

Uhm, EDI.

and no... mr. intoxication theory.

EDI having reaper tech is in no way proof that most of the Normandy is now reaper tech.


That is a ludicrous assumption.

[balance5050]

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Right, but it's a strong indicator....

The yellow glowing eyes and mix of Dr.Kenson and Harby's voice is strong enough?

My bad then! I don't remember what the original issue was, though.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 The other  times of contact with reaper tech In ME1 from eden prime to the citadel battle to every fight with the collectors to Arrival . Theat's 3  years of on and off contact with reaper tech. There is plebty of time for the process to start.

Soone did the math and found Shepard has had very little direct contact with Reaper tech.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12028310/1

Wow, even I thought it had been more than that... But I guess a lot of the contact was outside of the story missions.

My resolve is increasing. (randomly old Tomb Raider reference ftw)

How much time you take to beat a level is not and indicator of  the passing of time in the game.....Real life time does not equal to the passing of time in a game, book, TV show, or Movie.

Unless they've made it canon for Shepard to stand around derping for hours on end during important missions... It wouldn't be that much different from average runtimes.

The Normandy was rebuilt with cerberus tech, most of which is reaper tech.

Proof or be quiet.

Talk to EDI  AFTER THE END OF me2.http://www.youtube.c...4ayPp9WA#t=335s

[Gorkan86]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Did you even read what I said? The limbic system does not control motor functions it is the part of the brain the control thought not the body. The cerebellum is the part of the brain that controls the body and it is not part of limbic system.

By the way, yes, it means that TIM controls Shepard and Anderson not through their indoctrination. But how?

Modifié par Gorkan86, 13 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Uhm, EDI.

and no... mr. intoxication theory.

EDI having reaper tech is in no way proof that most of the Normandy is now reaper tech.


That is a ludicrous assumption.

It's ludicrous to think that Cerberus would take advantage of reaper tech if given the chance?

[Sdrol117]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Sdrol117 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]CavScout wrote...

Like ORDs, there is no narritive to support your claims.
[/quote]

Harbinger - "your mind will be mine"
[/quote]

And that proves IT how?[/quote]It prove that the reapers are trying tocontrol Shepard....The ending with TIM control's Shepard prives IT.
[/quote]

LOL, what?
Who has argued that the Reapers wouldn't like to Indocrinate Shep if given the chance? And how doesn't wanting to do something prove that the something actually happened? I want to win the lottery. Doesn't mean I have.[/quote]Well, TIM is controling Shepard in the end of ME3...TIMis being control by the reapers throughthe reaper tech he has implanted in his body....And Shepard is in contact with reaper tech on and off for 3 years....So...[/quote]
A does not follow B....[/quote]What type of alphabet do you use?
It's called deductive logic. If I'm near a bunch of people who have a cold, and I have a fever, cough, sorethroat, and start to sneeze...What does that mean?
[/quote]
There isn't just one answer.[/quote]

It means you might have allergies. 

[/quote]Allergies don't give fevers...[/quote]

To be fair, the common cold most likely won't either  so....argument owned.

[/quote]
http://www.webmd.com...u-cold-symptomsWhat are common cold symptoms?Cold symptoms usually begin with a sore throat, which usually goes away after a day or two. Nasal symptoms, runny nose, and congestion follow, along with a cough by the fourth and fifth days. Fever is uncommon in adults, but a slight fever is possible. Children are more likely to have a fever with a cold.
......
[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point. 

[/quote]Did you not read..."
but a slight fever is possible."[/quote]

"possible" which just threw your deductive logic reasoning out the window, totally invalidating everything you've said.

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions. 

 
...Oh god ...It's part of the brain...

Did you even read what I said? The limbic system does not control motor functions it is the part of the brain the control thought not the body. The cerebellum is the part of the brain that controls the body and it is not part of limbic system.

That wwhere your wrong.... The hindbrain controls moter functions.