dreman9999 wrote...
As do branches of science and theories of science.zambot wrote...
This is not surprising. Most religions break down into several sub groups given enough time.
What do you think this video is about...zambot wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
As do branches of science and theories of science.zambot wrote...
This is not surprising. Most religions break down into several sub groups given enough time.
Well most scientists can articulate the flaws in their theories better than priests can articulate the flaws in their religion.
Scimal wrote...
jijeebo wrote...
Just as hard as it is to prove, evidently.
I'm just waiting for the meta-IT to pop up.
"Wait, all of the arguments for indoctrination are the same arguments for the existence of the Catalyst given by Vendetta - They didn't have direct evidence for the Catalyst, only evidence of its actions! That's the entire IT in a nutshell! You don't know it's happening if you play the game, but if you stop looking at the game and look all around it, clear as day! Oh dang, was that BioWare's plan all along? They created a confusing ending to spur the birth of the IT so that the forums could tear themselves apart just like the Reapers do! So in reality, BioWare is the Catalyst, which made ME3 (aka - the Reapers!), and now their fans are being indoctrinated via the Indoctrination Theory that BioWare planned all along!
GENIUS. I'M BUYING EVERY BIOWARE GAME FROM NOW ON FOREVER!"
dreman9999 wrote...
Who said they all happen at once. But regardless of that, one must use the most stable evidence to the theory....There's a documantary that goes over this.Aaleel wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
But all events all makes sense in all versions of the theory.Aaleel wrote...
People should just decide on one canon version of it, or stop calling it the Indoctrination Theory and start calling it the Indoctrination Theories.
What happens post being hit by the beam is pretty much the same, so having some of the events make sense under one version and not another devalues them all IMHO. There should be one canon version that explains the events.
So Shepard actually went aboard the Citadel but ended up back on Earth under a plie of concrete slabs. Waking up on Earth makes sense under 1 and not 3.
Shepard is in reality but his/her armor changed, trees sprouted and grew, Shepard has unlimited ammo. All the things people use to demonstrate a dream all of a sudden are still there in reality. 1 contradicts 3 just based on the fact that one is a dream and three is reality.
TIM man being able to kill Shepard "Critical Mission" Death makes sense if it's reality, but not if it's a dream. The Crucible being destroyed and Shepard failing makes sense in reality, but not in a dream.
Modifié par Aaleel, 13 mai 2012 - 04:16 .
1. Base on Shepard reaction to the kid and his/her action and statement after seeing the VS hurt...I would say the begining is his/her weakest moment, a point that victory is hard to see. Shepard will is strongest on Earth because they have a chnce of winning because of the crucible. It matter not that it works or not...He/she sees that their goal isright infront of them and will do any thing together...That's why earth is the time Shepard's will is the strongest.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1.Strong wills can resist indoctrination.....At no point is Shepard's will stronger then at priority earth.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Or there Reapers there who can impose influece due to being close enough to extened there power. Anyway hallutionations is not a late stage symtom...It's an early stage one.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
....People can hallucinate when they are awake. That's normally when it happes.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
None...They all use the idea that child is a hullcination.Imperium Alpha wrote...
Which one of them doesn't use the Child at the beggining and the following dream to make sense with the Indoc' Theory? Because any of them using the child are wrong based on script and art book)
I don't think the Earthchild is a hallucination. That would require Shepard to be hallucinating while awake.
It would imply that he's pretty heavily indoctrinated at that point if the reapers can make him see things that aren't there outside of the dreamworld. If Vendetta couldn't detect that level of indoctrination, then Vendetta's sensors are terrible.
Either that, or Shepard's insane by himself already.
a) Why don't we hallucinate again in London pre-Harbinger?This leads to the problem that a lot of Anti-ITers have. That you have to question everything you see. Hallucinations might be early stage, but I'd think the dreams would come before that?
c) Then there's no clear build-up in the level of indoctrination.
2.Yes, but there point you can make as a ground point and perpectives out side of Shepard in the series that evenst are real.
3. There never any clear build up in indoctriantion out side of inplatation. If was clear, it would not be subtle.
1. Really? I see the opposite. Shepard's strong willed at beginning of the game. As the game progresses he becomes weaker willed and more prone to self-doubt
3. I mean even if you look hard enough, there's no build up with your interpretation. The way I see it, Shepard's mind is strong at the beginning. He's not even really affected by the Reaper indoctrination. After the child dies, we see Shepard is haunted by it (this is in the first dream absent of those solid shadows). The Child burns. This happens soon after Earth, where Shepard was not far from a bunch of reapers. No problem if indoctrination hadn't started, but not so for Shepard.
The 2nd dream is noticeably darker (why? who died on Tuchanka? This isn't just grief for the dead) has those whispering shadows, the burning child. It's there to make Shepard doubt himself. As Beneziah said, self-doubt helps indoctrination. Again, Shepard sees the child burn. This happens after Shepard gets fairly close to the Tuchanka Reaper (certainly closer than is the norm). To me, this is an indicator of how much the Reaper influence has grown.
The 3rd dream takes place after Thessia and is overrun with the talking shades. He also starts hearing the voices of his dead friends (why now? they've been dead for a long time). Shepard also watches himself and the Child burning together. Pretty damn creepy. After Thessia, and Kai Leng's email (bragging about a fight in which he needed a shuttle to win, as well as multiple shield recharges) Shepard's the most stressed he's ever been (ask Joker) and is beginning to doubt himself more than ever. This allows the reaper taint to spread further, and the dream serves to undermine his confidence even more.
The 4th dream takes place after Harbinger blasts Shepard near to death. His mental barriers are down because of this, and the reaper taint takes the opportunity to make a play for Shepard's mind. This dream is better constructed (more convincing, showing again how much stronger the reaper taint has become) and is meant to actually convince Shepard against destroying the Reapers. By REJECTING destruction in favour of other options, he makes an unfortunate transition.
There you go. An observable escalation to those who look.
2) What basis do you have for the child not being real. Why create an imaginary child for Shepard to see die, when there are probably other REAL kids who are going to die in that invasion. My interpretation involves a clear point of transition. The details after Harbinger's blast knocks Shepard unconscious are off. I see the point of transition being Shepard unconscious. I deduce that Shepard is still unconscious.
dreman9999 wrote...
What do you think this video is about...zambot wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
As do branches of science and theories of science.zambot wrote...
This is not surprising. Most religions break down into several sub groups given enough time.
Well most scientists can articulate the flaws in their theories better than priests can articulate the flaws in their religion.
Yes. They add things to make the world look real...That the point of distactions, so people don't see the trick/lies.Aaleel wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Who said they all happen at once. But regardless of that, one must use the most stable evidence to the theory....There's a documantary that goes over this.Aaleel wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
But all events all makes sense in all versions of the theory.Aaleel wrote...
People should just decide on one canon version of it, or stop calling it the Indoctrination Theory and start calling it the Indoctrination Theories.
What happens post being hit by the beam is pretty much the same, so having some of the events make sense under one version and not another devalues them all IMHO. There should be one canon version that explains the events.
So Shepard actually went aboard the Citadel but ended up back on Earth under a plie of concrete slabs. Waking up on Earth makes sense under 1 and not 3.
Shepard is in reality but his/her armor changed, trees sprouted and grew, Shepard has unlimited ammo. All the things people use to demonstrate a dream all of a sudden are still there in reality. 1 contradicts 3 just based on the fact that one is a dream and three is reality.
TIM man being able to kill Shepard "Critical Mission" Death makes sense if it's reality, but not if it's a dream. The Crucible being destroyed and Shepard failing makes sense in reality, but not in a dream.
And it's chuck full of the same plotholes. It says the reapers added husks and a maruder to do everything possible to convince Shepard he/she is still in reality. But then they added piles of bodies, trees, and changed Shepard's armor. I thought they were trying to make Shepard believe it was reality, right?
Continuing on that point if new armor=dream, why does Shepard still have on the wrong armor when waking up on Earth, seeing that is supposed to be reality. Wouldn't Shepard be back in the armor he/she had on running down the hill.
It devotes a section and a check mark of proof based on the fact that the reapers don't want to kill Shepard, and does it in the scene with TIM and Anderson. But TIM will kill you in that very scene the creator is using to say that the reapers don't want Shepard dead.
They're more but I said my peace in that thread and don't feel like typing all of it out again.
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
The thing you missing is that the video goes over every point and proof of indoctrination and states which are valide or not. It even dimisses the tree/shrub proof as solid proof. He goes in detail on which can be consider solid proof or an assuption. It clear we arn't just jumping to concusion and calling everything fact. Even I have a narrower set of solid facts I support then he does...zambot wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
What do you think this video is about...zambot wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
As do branches of science and theories of science.zambot wrote...
This is not surprising. Most religions break down into several sub groups given enough time.
Well most scientists can articulate the flaws in their theories better than priests can articulate the flaws in their religion.
It was certainly not about the flaws in indoctrination theory. In my opinion, he glosses over the biggest arguments against it, and doesn't really take contrary evidence seriously. Look, this video took a lot of time and effort to make, so I don't want to knock it too much. It's actually awesome to see people pick apart a video game they way people pick apart movies and books to find evidence in support of their interpretation of the story. I dig that and think it's cool.
But the discussions around IT on these forums is somewhere between annoying and venomous. In a thread a while ago, I tried to make a point about how IT wasn't actually an ending and got ripped apart for not understanding IT. It felt like I was talking to a religious robot instead of a literary analyst. That's when the disgusting turn of what IT has become became apparant to me. That's also why I can no longer support the theory.
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
dreman9999 wrote...
1. Base on Shepard reaction to the kid and his/her action and statement after seeing the VS hurt...I would say the begining is his/her weakest moment, a point that victory is hard to see. Shepard will is strongest on Earth because they have a chnce of winning because of the crucible. It matter not that it works or not...He/she sees that their goal isright infront of them and will do any thing together...That's why earth is the time Shepard's will is the strongest.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1.Strong wills can resist indoctrination.....At no point is Shepard's will stronger then at priority earth.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Or there Reapers there who can impose influece due to being close enough to extened there power. Anyway hallutionations is not a late stage symtom...It's an early stage one.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
....People can hallucinate when they are awake. That's normally when it happes.KingZayd wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
None...They all use the idea that child is a hullcination.Imperium Alpha wrote...
Which one of them doesn't use the Child at the beggining and the following dream to make sense with the Indoc' Theory? Because any of them using the child are wrong based on script and art book
I don't think the Earthchild is a hallucination. That would require Shepard to be hallucinating while awake.
It would imply that he's pretty heavily indoctrinated at that point if the reapers can make him see things that aren't there outside of the dreamworld. If Vendetta couldn't detect that level of indoctrination, then Vendetta's sensors are terrible.
Either that, or Shepard's insane by himself already.
a) Why don't we hallucinate again in London pre-Harbinger?
c) Then there's no clear build-up in the level of indoctrination.
2.Yes, but there point you can make as a ground point and perpectives out side of Shepard in the series that evenst are real.
3. There never any clear build up in indoctriantion out side of inplatation. If was clear, it would not be subtle.
1. Really? I see the opposite. Shepard's strong willed at beginning of the game. As the game progresses he becomes weaker willed and more prone to self-doubt
3. I mean even if you look hard enough, there's no build up with your interpretation. The way I see it, Shepard's mind is strong at the beginning. He's not even really affected by the Reaper indoctrination. After the child dies, we see Shepard is haunted by it (this is in the first dream absent of those solid shadows). The Child burns. This happens soon after Earth, where Shepard was not far from a bunch of reapers. No problem if indoctrination hadn't started, but not so for Shepard.
The 2nd dream is noticeably darker (why? who died on Tuchanka? This isn't just grief for the dead) has those whispering shadows, the burning child. It's there to make Shepard doubt himself. As Beneziah said, self-doubt helps indoctrination. Again, Shepard sees the child burn. This happens after Shepard gets fairly close to the Tuchanka Reaper (certainly closer than is the norm). To me, this is an indicator of how much the Reaper influence has grown.
The 3rd dream takes place after Thessia and is overrun with the talking shades. He also starts hearing the voices of his dead friends (why now? they've been dead for a long time). Shepard also watches himself and the Child burning together. Pretty damn creepy. After Thessia, and Kai Leng's email (bragging about a fight in which he needed a shuttle to win, as well as multiple shield recharges) Shepard's the most stressed he's ever been (ask Joker) and is beginning to doubt himself more than ever. This allows the reaper taint to spread further, and the dream serves to undermine his confidence even more.
The 4th dream takes place after Harbinger blasts Shepard near to death. His mental barriers are down because of this, and the reaper taint takes the opportunity to make a play for Shepard's mind. This dream is better constructed (more convincing, showing again how much stronger the reaper taint has become) and is meant to actually convince Shepard against destroying the Reapers. By REJECTING destruction in favour of other options, he makes an unfortunate transition.
There you go. An observable escalation to those who look.
2) What basis do you have for the child not being real. Why create an imaginary child for Shepard to see die, when there are probably other REAL kids who are going to die in that invasion. My interpretation involves a clear point of transition. The details after Harbinger's blast knocks Shepard unconscious are off. I see the point of transition being Shepard unconscious. I deduce that Shepard is still unconscious.
Also, not that each dream take place after some time with reapers or reaper forces.
2.That fact that no one react to him or come in contact with him. He even doesn't talk like a child. What child would ever say to an adult"You can't save me" when there scare silly. A child would run to an adult if scared unlessthe fear was from an adult. The point is everything about the child is odd. Why knowone helps him, why anderson doesn't hear him, and how he talks. Their is not proof he is real.
dreman9999 wrote...
Yes. They add things to make the world look real...That the point of distactions, so people don't see the trick/lies.
As one can say that armor is burn. That realy is a grey area of proof.
As, all 3 version are pro the reaprs not wanting to kill Shepard. Not can be seen as attempt only to kill Shepard. Remeber, these are being that can reactivate dead bodies....Why do you think the reapers wanted Shepards deadbody in ME2?
Modifié par Aaleel, 13 mai 2012 - 04:30 .
The thing you not getting is to support one theory mean that all theory are open to possibility. All we have to do is prove that Shepardis in the process of indoctriantion and any one of these theories can be true.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
jijeebo wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
Or unconscious in the med bay following Eden Prime.
It make sense if you never been to the room before nor know where your going. Every thing we go to on the citadel is a place we never seen before.Aaleel wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Yes. They add things to make the world look real...That the point of distactions, so people don't see the trick/lies.
As one can say that armor is burn. That realy is a grey area of proof.
As, all 3 version are pro the reaprs not wanting to kill Shepard. Not can be seen as attempt only to kill Shepard. Remeber, these are being that can reactivate dead bodies....Why do you think the reapers wanted Shepards deadbody in ME2?
Add things to make the world look real? You go to sleep, I'm trying to trick you. So I change you clothes, put a window in your room that wasn't there before and rearrange the furniture? DOesn't make sense.
The documentary itself explains why the armor is not burned, the creator says it. I'm just going off what I saw in the documentary. You can find inconsistencies just using what you're given.
1. ME: ascension say he's awake after eden prime.jijeebo wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
Or unconscious in the med bay following Eden Prime.
SubAstris wrote...
jijeebo wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
Or unconscious in the med bay following Eden Prime.
The funny thing is that this has way more evidence for it than IT does
dreman9999 wrote...
1. ME: ascension say he's awake after eden prime.jijeebo wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
Or unconscious in the med bay following Eden Prime.
2. I can choose not to do the mission and the same thing happens with the end.
1. ME: ascension say he's awake after eden prime.jijeebo wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
jijeebo wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
Or unconscious in the med bay following Eden Prime.
The funny thing is that this has way more evidence for it than IT does
Yep.
The second Shep wakes up the sexeh lady he just met starts giving him googly eyes... And suddenly he's the saviour of the galaxy.
I had that dream last Tuesday... Except I was made of cheese.
dreman9999 wrote...
The thing you not getting is to support one theory mean that all theory are open to possibility. All we have to do is prove that Shepardis in the process of indoctriantion and any one of these theories can be true.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
My main proof of this is that TIM is controling Shepard at the end of the game with indoctriantion.
My sencond point is an awnser to thejijeebo wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. ME: ascension say he's awake after eden prime.jijeebo wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
Or unconscious in the med bay following Eden Prime.
2. I can choose not to do the mission and the same thing happens with the end.
The only way you can choose to not do Eden Prime is to not play Mass Effect... Given its the first ever mission.
dreman9999 wrote...
1. ME: ascension say he's awake after eden prime.jijeebo wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exactly, This is the most flexible theory. Shepard can be on earth still or on the citadel.SubAstris wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
What does this mean exactly? Are the surroundings real or partly real or fully fake?
But you need evidence point either way, you can't just say he is possibly one place or another. If that is the case, you are probably going down the wrong route of interpretation. In a story, such a detail should be made clear
Or Shepard is still in the Geths Consensus.
Or unconscious in the med bay following Eden Prime.
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