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[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

[KingZayd]

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

That doesn't make sense either. There's no reason for Shepard to have dominate as a power. Apparently he can also learn Geth Shield boost. It's a silly game mechanic that shouldn't be there in my opinion.

So he had indoctrination tech (since this is what Sanctuary was dedicated to studying), but he thought "NO. it's not enough, give me that Ardat Yakshi power too which I'll only get the chance to use if I meet Shepard since i spend all my time in the safety of my office guarded by loyal and indoctrinated Cerberus troops"

And yeah balance, although I'm not sure if i'm "holding the line", as most of my posts in this thread have been disagreeing with dreman. I think the Earthchild is real.

[jijeebo]

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

Exactly, i'd say TIM is way smarter than Shepard so he should manage.

[SubAstris]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

[/quote]And now we are going with story tell who is making up the story fron scratch is lieing to me?
Please, BW put out all these book with differnet perspectives with one book hppen and came out befor ME1 just to trick me at a time when they planed a different ending for the game....
No, that's a baseless arguement.
[/quote]

That is what you are implying ME are doing with the ending though. Can't have it both ways and say that it is a baseless argument when you use the exact same one

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

Ofcourse I trust the lore... Just not Bioware right now cause their playing the "We are the reaper, we like synthesis" game.

I trust the lore whole heartedly, that's why Indoctrination was so easy for me to grasp.

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[Gorkan86]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

It's not dominate.
 Dominate  has 3 symtoms...

A high pitch whine.
Discoloration of envirnment.
And imediate loss of self thought...
http://www.youtube.c...cETphT0Y#t=198s


None of that happens in the scene with TIM's control..
 

Yes, you're right,  TIM dont have Dominate.

But still. If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't? Shepard is also not an Ardat Yashi.
(I repeat my question because you obviously misunderstood it.)

[KingZayd]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

False. IT is based on trusting the lore, just not entirely trusting Shepard to be infallible.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

Exactly, i'd say TIM is way smarter than Shepard so he should manage.

Dreman- 


It's not dominate.
 Dominate  has 3 symtoms...

A high pitch whine.
Discoloration of envirnment.
And imediate loss of self thought...
http://www.youtube.c...cETphT0Y#t=198s


None of that happens in the scene with TIM's control..
  

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

Ofcourse I trust the lore... Just not Bioware right now cause their playing the "We are the reaper, we like synthesis" game.

I trust the lore whole heartedly, that's why Indoctrination was so easy for me to grasp.

Again how can you trust anything? Surely you are falling into the exact same traps that most ITers accuse their opponents of?

[dreman9999]

[quote]SubAstris wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

[/quote]And now we are going with story tell who is making up the story fron scratch is lieing to me?
Please, BW put out all these book with differnet perspectives with one book hppen and came out befor ME1 just to trick me at a time when they planed a different ending for the game....
No, that's a baseless arguement.
[/quote]

That is what you are implying ME are doing with the ending though. Can't have it both ways and say that it is a baseless argument when you use the exact same one

[/quote]Let's see...BW spend 2 games explaining something that the ending has every sign of.....And people ignore it?

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

Exactly, i'd say TIM is way smarter than Shepard so he should manage.

Dreman- 


It's not dominate.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]Dominate  has 3 symtoms...[/color]

A high pitch whine.
Discoloration of envirnment.
And imediate loss of self thought...
http://www.youtube.c...cETphT0Y#t=198s


None of that happens in the scene with TIM's control..
  

If he taught himself dominate and then implanted himself with his fancy tech, the end results could be different... But the same.


SPECULATION FTW!

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

Ofcourse I trust the lore... Just not Bioware right now cause their playing the "We are the reaper, we like synthesis" game.

I trust the lore whole heartedly, that's why Indoctrination was so easy for me to grasp.

Again how can you trust anything? Surely you are falling into the exact same traps that most ITers accuse their opponents of?

The lore says that a white light is indocative of shifting realities, there was a white light after Harby's beam, it's not a complex thing to grasp, quite simple really.

The link between the dreams, the geth consensus, and the end:


http://desmond.image...pg&res=landing 
 
 

[dreman9999]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

It's not dominate.
 Dominate  has 3 symtoms...

A high pitch whine.
Discoloration of envirnment.
And imediate loss of self thought...
http://www.youtube.c...cETphT0Y#t=198s


None of that happens in the scene with TIM's control..
 

Yes, you're right,  TIM dont have Dominate.

But still. If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't? Shepard is also not an Ardat Yashi.
(I repeat my question because you obviously misunderstood it.)

Why does having biotic power mean you can learn every biotic power? Why can' my vanguard learn singularity?Why can't my sentinal learn charge?

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

Exactly, i'd say TIM is way smarter than Shepard so he should manage.

Dreman- 


It's not dominate.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]Dominate  has 3 symtoms...[/color]

A high pitch whine.
Discoloration of envirnment.
And imediate loss of self thought...
http://www.youtube.c...cETphT0Y#t=198s


None of that happens in the scene with TIM's control..
  

If he taught himself dominate and then implanted himself with his fancy tech, the end results could be different... But the same.


SPECULATION FTW!

And that's when we start ignoring your comments...

[KingZayd]

Also, TIM isn't a biotic. He wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.

[dreman9999]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

Ofcourse I trust the lore... Just not Bioware right now cause their playing the "We are the reaper, we like synthesis" game.

I trust the lore whole heartedly, that's why Indoctrination was so easy for me to grasp.

Again how can you trust anything? Surely you are falling into the exact same traps that most ITers accuse their opponents of?

Why is every symtom of indoctriantion that's in the lore in the last scene/ Why would BW go ou t of their way to put in whispers and oily shadows when TIM controls Shepard?

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

Exactly, i'd say TIM is way smarter than Shepard so he should manage.

Dreman- 


It's not dominate.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]Dominate  has 3 symtoms...[/color]

A high pitch whine.
Discoloration of envirnment.
And imediate loss of self thought...
http://www.youtube.c...cETphT0Y#t=198s


None of that happens in the scene with TIM's control..
  

If he taught himself dominate and then implanted himself with his fancy tech, the end results could be different... But the same.


SPECULATION FTW!

And that's when we start ignoring your comments...

Prove it's not possible or sthu, b*tch. *snap snap snap*


EDIT: b*tch totally isn't a swear word where I live... lolz

Modifié par jijeebo, 13 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[Gorkan86]

dreman9999 wrote...
Why does having biotic power mean you can learn every biotic power? Why can' my vanguard learn singularity?Why can't my sentinal learn charge?

You know, this is the main problem with you IT supporters.
You do not even try to assume that your opponent may be right.

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

Also, TIM isn't a biotic. He wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.

He's a genius person, if he can figure out how to block reaper signals and indoctrinate people to serve himself... I'm sure it's not out of the realm of possibility  that he can give himself some biotic goodness.


This is why I'm starting to love speculation, you think of possibilities you didn't consider whilst playing it.

[Aaleel]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

Ofcourse I trust the lore... Just not Bioware right now cause their playing the "We are the reaper, we like synthesis" game.

I trust the lore whole heartedly, that's why Indoctrination was so easy for me to grasp.

Again how can you trust anything? Surely you are falling into the exact same traps that most ITers accuse their opponents of?

The lore says that a white light is indocative of shifting realities, there was a white light after Harby's beam, it's not a complex thing to grasp, quite simple really.

The link between the dreams, the geth consensus, and the end:

There's also a flash of light before you see the vision of Anderson using the destroy option, and then another when you see the vision of TIM picking control.  So if it means shifting realities, you're going from the dream to what exactly, and back.  Then from a dream to what exactly, and back?  

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

Prove it's not possible or sthu, b*tch. *snap snap snap*


EDIT: b*tch totally isn't a swear word where I live... lolz

It's been done several time over for you.

All asari are naturally biotic from birth (see below), though not all choose to develop their abilities. Biotics of other species are individuals who were exposed to dust-form element zero ("eezo") in utero and subsequently developed eezo nodules throughout their bodies. These nodules can generate mass effect fields when energized by electrical impulses from the nervous system.Eezo exposure is by no means guaranteed to result in biotic ability. On the contrary, most fetuses that are exposed are not affected at all. Others will develop brain tumors or other horrific physical complications. In humans, only about one in ten eezo-exposed infants will develop biotic talents strong and stable enough to merit training, and these abilities are not always permanent. In extremely rare cases, humans who were exposed in utero but did not manifest biotic talents as children can develop them during young adulthood through additional exposure.http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Biotics

[Gorkan86]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Prove it's not possible or sthu, b*tch. *snap snap snap*


EDIT: b*tch totally isn't a swear word where I live... lolz

It's been done several time over for you.

All asari are naturally biotic from birth (see below), though not all choose to develop their abilities. Biotics of other species are individuals who were exposed to dust-form element zero ("eezo") in utero and subsequently developed eezo nodules throughout their bodies. These nodules can generate mass effect fields when energized by electrical impulses from the nervous system.Eezo exposure is by no means guaranteed to result in biotic ability. On the contrary, most fetuses that are exposed are not affected at all. Others will develop brain tumors or other horrific physical complications. In humans, only about one in ten eezo-exposed infants will develop biotic talents strong and stable enough to merit training, and these abilities are not always permanent. In extremely rare cases, humans who were exposed in utero but did not manifest biotic talents as children can develop them during young adulthood through additional exposure.http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Biotics

Can you provide a link where it says that  TIM is not a biotic?

[balance5050]

Aaleel wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

Ofcourse I trust the lore... Just not Bioware right now cause their playing the "We are the reaper, we like synthesis" game.

I trust the lore whole heartedly, that's why Indoctrination was so easy for me to grasp.

Again how can you trust anything? Surely you are falling into the exact same traps that most ITers accuse their opponents of?

The lore says that a white light is indocative of shifting realities, there was a white light after Harby's beam, it's not a complex thing to grasp, quite simple really.

The link between the dreams, the geth consensus, and the end:

There's also a flash of light before you see the vision of Anderson using the destroy option, and then another when you see the vision of TIM picking control.  So if it means shifting realities, you're going from the dream to what exactly, and back.  Then from a dream to what exactly, and back?  

Catalyst never actually explains how to activate the device so these images are either you imagining how it would work and who would do what, it's either coming from Shepards head or Harbinger.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But don't you realise you can't trust BW aswell?

Not with money, but I trust they can still deliver a quality storytelling experience.

That doesn't mean by, the logic of IT, that you should trust on the lore

Ofcourse I trust the lore... Just not Bioware right now cause their playing the "We are the reaper, we like synthesis" game.

I trust the lore whole heartedly, that's why Indoctrination was so easy for me to grasp.

Again how can you trust anything? Surely you are falling into the exact same traps that most ITers accuse their opponents of?

The lore says that a white light is indocative of shifting realities, there was a white light after Harby's beam, it's not a complex thing to grasp, quite simple really.

The link between the dreams, the geth consensus, and the end:


http://desmond.image...pg&res=landing 
 
 

It's also not unheard of for visual media such as movies or games to use this as a transition from one scene to another.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

As much as I am a fan of the Indoc theory (simply because it is a way out for Bioware in fixing the ending) I think you are forgetting a very specific power from ME2 that may be the reason TIM is able to control Shepard and Anderson.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Not saying that this is the case, just saying that this is what he may have used.

TIM's an Ardat Yashi?

He studied banshees on Sanctuary... So he might've studied it as a little side project. It is entirely plausible.

If Shepard can have this power why TIM can't?

Exactly, i'd say TIM is way smarter than Shepard so he should manage.

Dreman- 


It's not dominate.
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]Dominate  has 3 symtoms...[/color]

A high pitch whine.
Discoloration of envirnment.
And imediate loss of self thought...
http://www.youtube.c...cETphT0Y#t=198s


None of that happens in the scene with TIM's control..
  

If he taught himself dominate and then implanted himself with his fancy tech, the end results could be different... But the same.


SPECULATION FTW!

And that's when we start ignoring your comments...

Prove it's not possible or sthu, b*tch. *snap snap snap*


EDIT: b*tch totally isn't a swear word where I live... lolz

I dnot need to ...You have to prove that it is sice you brought it up...Using proof.
Also....I can prove that it's not possible for him to learn advance biotic abilities...

From ME:retribution...
Even though he was no longer in control of his body, he could feel that the cybernetics had made himboth faster and stronger. He was more aware of his surroundings; his senses were heightened to asupernatural level. The melding of man and machine had created a being that was physically superior toany evolutionary design.But that wasn’t the only change. He was also developing rudimentary biotic abilities beyond thosetemporarily granted by dosing up with red sand. He could sense his Reaper masters pushing and probing,eager to test the limits of his weak but ever-growing power.
(Page 59). The Reapers turned his body to face the shelf of provisions. Inside he felt a buildup of energy, like astatic charge increased a thousandfold. His hand rose, palm extended toward the ration kits. There was asudden jolt along the length of his arm, strong enough to send a flare of pain shooting up to Grayson’shelpless consciousness.The neat pile of carefully stacked rations was blown apart by the impact of a biotic push. Boxes shotup into the air, bouncing off the shelves and wall before clattering onto the floor.It was hardly an impressive display. Grayson had seen his own daughter lift a thousand-kilogram pieceof machinery and use it to crush a pair of Cerberus agents. The scattered ration packs weighed less thana kilogram each, and the impact hadn’t even been powerful enough to burst the seals keeping the foodinside fresh. But he knew his power would continue to grow, and he sensed the Reapers were pleased.Grayson lowered his arm, and it took him a full second before the significance of the action struck him.He had lowered his arm; not the Reapers—him!The biotic display must have temporarily weakened their control of his body. Recognizing that theirdomination of his will was not yet absolute was all the encouragement he needed to fight back.
(Page 60). 

My point is that at first when the reaper implat the body.....They can give it biotic power...But it's too weak to do anything at first. TIM has not the time to advance to higher levels of power yet. Remeber he was seen as whole in cerberus and that was hours before the end of ME3. The reapers can develop biotic powers in a person beyond a push at the start of the implantation of indoctrination.... It took Greyson days to get the biotic power he ended up with.