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[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I dnot need to ...You have to prove that it is sice you brought it up...Using proof.
Also....I can prove that it's not possible for him to learn advance biotic abilities...

From ME:retribution...
Even though he was no longer in control of his body, he could feel that the cybernetics had made himboth faster and stronger. He was more aware of his surroundings; his senses were heightened to asupernatural level. The melding of man and machine had created a being that was physically superior toany evolutionary design.But that wasn’t the only change. He was also developing rudimentary biotic abilities beyond thosetemporarily granted by dosing up with red sand. He could sense his Reaper masters pushing and probing,eager to test the limits of his weak but ever-growing power.
(Page 59). The Reapers turned his body to face the shelf of provisions. Inside he felt a buildup of energy, like astatic charge increased a thousandfold. His hand rose, palm extended toward the ration kits. There was asudden jolt along the length of his arm, strong enough to send a flare of pain shooting up to Grayson’shelpless consciousness.The neat pile of carefully stacked rations was blown apart by the impact of a biotic push. Boxes shotup into the air, bouncing off the shelves and wall before clattering onto the floor.It was hardly an impressive display. Grayson had seen his own daughter lift a thousand-kilogram pieceof machinery and use it to crush a pair of Cerberus agents. The scattered ration packs weighed less thana kilogram each, and the impact hadn’t even been powerful enough to burst the seals keeping the foodinside fresh. But he knew his power would continue to grow, and he sensed the Reapers were pleased.Grayson lowered his arm, and it took him a full second before the significance of the action struck him.He had lowered his arm; not the Reapers—him!The biotic display must have temporarily weakened their control of his body. Recognizing that theirdomination of his will was not yet absolute was all the encouragement he needed to fight back.

(Page 60). 

My point is that at first when the reaper implat the body.....They can give it biotic power...But it's too weak to do anything at first. TIM has not the time to advance to higher levels of power yet. Remeber he was seen as whole in cerberus and that was hours before the end of ME3. The reapers can develop biotic powers in a person beyond a push at the start of the implantation of indoctrination.... It took Greyson days to get the biotic power he ended up with.

And how do you know how long there was between TIM implanting himself and meeting Shep on the Citadel?


By showing that reaper implants that can provide biotic powers you've only strengthened my case.

EDIT: pyramid, soz for duffing up the quotes in the process

Because "Sanctuary was a success" before the implantation. Sanctuary was a success, just before it was bombed by the reapers, which wasn't that long before we went to the Cerberus Base, which wasn't very long at all before we went to London.

Modifié par KingZayd, 13 mai 2012 - 05:55 .

[dreman9999]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes,he did but with manipulation not powers. Also, note that as soon as he gets inplants in his body that can control husks , he suddenly can control Shepard.

I agree that this is unusual.
I assume that this is because Shepard partly synthetic. Just my version.

But  Anderson is also undercontrol of TIM and he's pure organic...

[KingZayd]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact that biotic came up first after the first contact war and TIM was born before that. And he never use biotic not one in the ME series out side the ending.

And Shepard was born before FCW too. So how he can be biotic?

First biotics were born in the 50's. Contact war is in 57. Shepard was born in 54.

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

I would pay money for that to be established as canon and turned into a movie immediately.

[dreman9999]

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes,he did but with manipulation not powers. Also, note that as soon as he gets inplants in his body that can control husks , he suddenly can control Shepard.

I agree that this is unusual.
I assume that this is because Shepard partly synthetic. Just my version.

Anderson doesn't have implants.

I revoke my version.

Added...Anderson has been constatly fighting reapers and reaper forces on earth for  the entirity of ME3. 

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 mai 2012 - 05:56 .

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

I would pay money for that to be established as canon and turned into a movie immediately.

Too bad it's not going to happen...
http://masseffect.wi...fect:_Evolution

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 mai 2012 - 06:07 .

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I dnot need to ...You have to prove that it is sice you brought it up...Using proof.
Also....I can prove that it's not possible for him to learn advance biotic abilities...

From ME:retribution...
Even though he was no longer in control of his body, he could feel that the cybernetics had made himboth faster and stronger. He was more aware of his surroundings; his senses were heightened to asupernatural level. The melding of man and machine had created a being that was physically superior toany evolutionary design.But that wasn’t the only change. He was also developing rudimentary biotic abilities beyond thosetemporarily granted by dosing up with red sand. He could sense his Reaper masters pushing and probing,eager to test the limits of his weak but ever-growing power.
(Page 59). The Reapers turned his body to face the shelf of provisions. Inside he felt a buildup of energy, like astatic charge increased a thousandfold. His hand rose, palm extended toward the ration kits. There was asudden jolt along the length of his arm, strong enough to send a flare of pain shooting up to Grayson’shelpless consciousness.The neat pile of carefully stacked rations was blown apart by the impact of a biotic push. Boxes shotup into the air, bouncing off the shelves and wall before clattering onto the floor.It was hardly an impressive display. Grayson had seen his own daughter lift a thousand-kilogram pieceof machinery and use it to crush a pair of Cerberus agents. The scattered ration packs weighed less thana kilogram each, and the impact hadn’t even been powerful enough to burst the seals keeping the foodinside fresh. But he knew his power would continue to grow, and he sensed the Reapers were pleased.Grayson lowered his arm, and it took him a full second before the significance of the action struck him.He had lowered his arm; not the Reapers—him!The biotic display must have temporarily weakened their control of his body. Recognizing that theirdomination of his will was not yet absolute was all the encouragement he needed to fight back.

(Page 60). 

My point is that at first when the reaper implat the body.....They can give it biotic power...But it's too weak to do anything at first. TIM has not the time to advance to higher levels of power yet. Remeber he was seen as whole in cerberus and that was hours before the end of ME3. The reapers can develop biotic powers in a person beyond a push at the start of the implantation of indoctrination.... It took Greyson days to get the biotic power he ended up with.

And how do you know how long there was between TIM implanting himself and meeting Shep on the Citadel?


By showing that reaper implants that can provide biotic powers you've only strengthened my case.

EDIT: pyramid, soz for duffing up the quotes in the process

Because "Sanctuary was a success" before the implantation. Sanctuary was a success, just before it was bombed by the reapers, which wasn't that long before we went to the Cerberus Base, which wasn't very long at all before we went to London.

I'm sure ME3 spans a few months, so the timeframe between TIM implanting and Shep meeting him on the Citadel could very well be quite a few days.

[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

I would pay money for that to be established as canon and turned into a movie immediately.

Haha, if you're right an IT is rubbish, then maybe Bioware will be open to such ideas next time

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

I would pay money for that to be established as canon and turned into a movie immediately.

Too badit's not going to happen...
http://masseffect.wi...fect:_Evolution

STOP KILLING MY DREAMS!!!

They can totally retcon baby TIM into canon, and don't pretend you wouldn't absolutely love it.

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

I would pay money for that to be established as canon and turned into a movie immediately.

Haha, if you're right an IT is rubbish, then maybe Bioware will be open to such ideas next time

Baby TIM + Cain = Greatest movie of all time.

[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I dnot need to ...You have to prove that it is sice you brought it up...Using proof.
Also....I can prove that it's not possible for him to learn advance biotic abilities...

From ME:retribution...
Even though he was no longer in control of his body, he could feel that the cybernetics had made himboth faster and stronger. He was more aware of his surroundings; his senses were heightened to asupernatural level. The melding of man and machine had created a being that was physically superior toany evolutionary design.But that wasn’t the only change. He was also developing rudimentary biotic abilities beyond thosetemporarily granted by dosing up with red sand. He could sense his Reaper masters pushing and probing,eager to test the limits of his weak but ever-growing power.
(Page 59). The Reapers turned his body to face the shelf of provisions. Inside he felt a buildup of energy, like astatic charge increased a thousandfold. His hand rose, palm extended toward the ration kits. There was asudden jolt along the length of his arm, strong enough to send a flare of pain shooting up to Grayson’shelpless consciousness.The neat pile of carefully stacked rations was blown apart by the impact of a biotic push. Boxes shotup into the air, bouncing off the shelves and wall before clattering onto the floor.It was hardly an impressive display. Grayson had seen his own daughter lift a thousand-kilogram pieceof machinery and use it to crush a pair of Cerberus agents. The scattered ration packs weighed less thana kilogram each, and the impact hadn’t even been powerful enough to burst the seals keeping the foodinside fresh. But he knew his power would continue to grow, and he sensed the Reapers were pleased.Grayson lowered his arm, and it took him a full second before the significance of the action struck him.He had lowered his arm; not the Reapers—him!The biotic display must have temporarily weakened their control of his body. Recognizing that theirdomination of his will was not yet absolute was all the encouragement he needed to fight back.

(Page 60). 

My point is that at first when the reaper implat the body.....They can give it biotic power...But it's too weak to do anything at first. TIM has not the time to advance to higher levels of power yet. Remeber he was seen as whole in cerberus and that was hours before the end of ME3. The reapers can develop biotic powers in a person beyond a push at the start of the implantation of indoctrination.... It took Greyson days to get the biotic power he ended up with.

And how do you know how long there was between TIM implanting himself and meeting Shep on the Citadel?


By showing that reaper implants that can provide biotic powers you've only strengthened my case.

EDIT: pyramid, soz for duffing up the quotes in the process

Because "Sanctuary was a success" before the implantation. Sanctuary was a success, just before it was bombed by the reapers, which wasn't that long before we went to the Cerberus Base, which wasn't very long at all before we went to London.

I'm sure ME3 spans a few months, so the timeframe between TIM implanting and Shep meeting him on the Citadel could very well be quite a few days.

Well from what we see he goes to bed at least once. With the mass relays and FTL, it's safe to assume that each journey should take less than 24 hours right?

Horizon -> Cerberus Base -> London.
2 days tops, especially since Shepard is meant to be in a rush.

[Tom Lehrer]

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

It is possiable to get biotics by artifical methods.

The krogan developed a surgical procedure that was able to confer biotic ability

 

[KingZayd]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

It is possiable to get biotics by artifical methods.

The krogan developed a surgical procedure that was able to confer biotic ability

 

Only the Krogan have done it (albeit with a high mortality rate), so that suggests something about their biology being unique that does it. Krogan scientists are pretty rare after all. If it was so easy, the Salarians would have done it.

[Gorkan86]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes,he did but with manipulation not powers. Also, note that as soon as he gets inplants in his body that can control husks , he suddenly can control Shepard.

I agree that this is unusual.
I assume that this is because Shepard partly synthetic. Just my version.

But  Anderson is also undercontrol of TIM and he's pure organic...

Yes, I already figured it out.


Anderson have BALLZ OF STEEL:O

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

TIM was born before the first human biotics, since he was fighting in the Contact War. Unless TIM was less than 3 years old at the time?

It is possiable to get biotics by artifical methods.

The krogan developed a surgical procedure that was able to confer biotic ability

 

Point to one with humans.....Krogan only servive it because of their healing factor...Which humans don't have.

[Gorkan86]

So the Earthchild is baby TIM.

[jijeebo]

Gorkan86 wrote...

So the Earthchild is baby TIM.

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN


Everything makes sense now, TIM couldn't control the reapers because he already controlled the reapers that controlled him = He controlled himself.


Mind. Blown.


*before someone throws a random codex entry or a page from one of the novels at me, I should point out that I am, in fact, joking*

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I'm sure ME3 spans a few months, so the timeframe between TIM implanting and Shep meeting him on the Citadel could very well be quite a few days.

Well from what we see he goes to bed at least once. With the mass relays and FTL, it's safe to assume that each journey should take less than 24 hours right?

Horizon -> Cerberus Base -> London.
2 days tops, especially since Shepard is meant to be in a rush.

Well a couple of days should be enough for TIM to develop enough biotics to *sort of* hold Shep and Anderson against their will... He does fail at it afterall so it would make sense that the powers he is using aren't fully developed.

[Tom Lehrer]

KingZayd wrote...

Only the Krogan have done it (albeit with a high mortality rate), so that suggests something about their biology being unique that does it. Krogan scientists are pretty rare after all. If it was so easy, the Salarians would have done it.

By know means would it be an easy thing to do but the Krogan are proof of concept and giving biotics to humans is without question something Cerberus would want. We know Cerberus has caused eezo exposers to make biotics and we know they have cut up more then a few Krogan in their labs.

There are not many Human biotics around but Cerberus is able to throw their biotic ninjas at Shepard like there is no tommorw so where do they come from?

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 13 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[Gorkan86]

Personally, I would like to participate in the final battle, Shepard against The Super IM.
Shepard got a pistol and he limps. Super-Tim, for example, will wield Cain! To balance the suit of armor and a business suit.

[KingZayd]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Only the Krogan have done it (albeit with a high mortality rate), so that suggests something about their biology being unique that does it. Krogan scientists are pretty rare after all. If it was so easy, the Salarians would have done it.

By know means would it be an easy thing to do but the Krogan are proof of concept and giving biotics to humans is without question something Cerberus would want. We know Cerberus has caused eezo exposers to make biotics and we know they have cut up more then a few Krogan in their labs.

There are not many Human biotics around but Cerberus is able to throw their biotic ninjas at Shepard like there is no tommorw so where do they come from?

Aren't there? What human squad members have we had? Shepard, Kaiden, Ashley, Miranda, Jacob, Jack.
Half of those had biotics. "There are rumours that, after the link between eezo and biotics was discovered, some human colonies were deliberately exposed to dust-form element zero to create more biotic children. " Nothing indicates a shortage of human biotics.

However: "Salarian biotics are unusual and highly prized. The salarian military does not risk them in the front lines but instead uses them in intelligence services. "

Why haven't the Salarians looked into this? It seems to suggest that this procedure (which does work on Krogan, with high mortality rates, despite all the redundancy in their systems which makes killing Krogan difficult) is only possible because of said Krogan biology.

[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I'm sure ME3 spans a few months, so the timeframe between TIM implanting and Shep meeting him on the Citadel could very well be quite a few days.

Well from what we see he goes to bed at least once. With the mass relays and FTL, it's safe to assume that each journey should take less than 24 hours right?

Horizon -> Cerberus Base -> London.
2 days tops, especially since Shepard is meant to be in a rush.

Well a couple of days should be enough for TIM to develop enough biotics to *sort of* hold Shep and Anderson against their will... He does fail at it afterall so it would make sense that the powers he is using aren't fully developed.

based on what?

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Only the Krogan have done it (albeit with a high mortality rate), so that suggests something about their biology being unique that does it. Krogan scientists are pretty rare after all. If it was so easy, the Salarians would have done it.

By know means would it be an easy thing to do but the Krogan are proof of concept and giving biotics to humans is without question something Cerberus would want. We know Cerberus has caused eezo exposers to make biotics and we know they have cut up more then a few Krogan in their labs.

There are not many Human biotics around but Cerberus is able to throw their biotic ninjas at Shepard like there is no tommorw so where do they come from?

1.Cerbeur used reaper tech and real biotic users.
2.Krogon havea healing factor, which is the soul reason it worked......Humans don't have a healing factor.

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I'm sure ME3 spans a few months, so the timeframe between TIM implanting and Shep meeting him on the Citadel could very well be quite a few days.

Well from what we see he goes to bed at least once. With the mass relays and FTL, it's safe to assume that each journey should take less than 24 hours right?

Horizon -> Cerberus Base -> London.
2 days tops, especially since Shepard is meant to be in a rush.

Well a couple of days should be enough for TIM to develop enough biotics to *sort of* hold Shep and Anderson against their will... He does fail at it afterall so it would make sense that the powers he is using aren't fully developed.

based on what?

Based on some random quote from one of the novels I was shown earlier.

[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I'm sure ME3 spans a few months, so the timeframe between TIM implanting and Shep meeting him on the Citadel could very well be quite a few days.

Well from what we see he goes to bed at least once. With the mass relays and FTL, it's safe to assume that each journey should take less than 24 hours right?

Horizon -> Cerberus Base -> London.
2 days tops, especially since Shepard is meant to be in a rush.

Well a couple of days should be enough for TIM to develop enough biotics to *sort of* hold Shep and Anderson against their will... He does fail at it afterall so it would make sense that the powers he is using aren't fully developed.

based on what?

Based on some random quote from one of the novels I was shown earlier.

I don't see anything giving us the timescale of the ability development in that quote.