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[tbb033]

SalsaDMA wrote...

They wanted shooter buyers. *shrug*

So skip it if someone chooses Action Mode and show if if someone chooses RPG Mode or Story Mode. It would actually make those options mean something other than just pre-setting a few things in the option menu.

[BigEvil]

I was looking forward to the trial as well, it could have been truly great. Looks like the trial in Neverwinter Nights 2 will forever be the RPG highlight of trial-type situations for me.

Perhaps they could release it as DLC. They could use a framing device along the lines of DA2 but have say, Vega, asking Shepard about the trial, perhaps it was behind closed doors and he wasn't allowed in. Have the combat portion of the DLC about undertaking a mission into Batarian space to either rescue survivors, uncover some important macguffin or whatever and then those who played Arrival could get some extra dialogue/events where the Batarians are hostile to Shepard's help and Shepard can either bring them around with diplomacy or tell them to sod off and carry on with the mission without their co-operation. While players who didn't play Arrival could get something slightly different where-by the Batarians are just suspicious of the Alliance soldiers. Have some flashbacks to the trial over the course of the mission to tie it together a bit more, like if Cerberus is involved in the mission, after defeating a squad you flashback to part of the trial where you're trying to defend working with Cerberus. I don't know, I just think there are so many things which were missed opportunities in ME3 and if the EC can sort the ending out enough I'd gladly pay for DLCs of things like a trial or Omega.

[CARL_DF90]

Don't forget about Crono Trigger for the SNES. It also had a decent trail sequence.

[Icinix]

*raises hands, feet, head, other.

Still waiting for the ME3 that had all its stops pulled we were promised too.

[CARL_DF90]

Let's see if the EC can deliver, shall we?

[Nefla]

I also wanted Shepard confined in a cell for those 6 months, not a luxury suite. With Vega as an actual guard. Why stay there if he didn't have to? There was an invasion to prepare for and IMO he wouldn't have loafed around there doing nothing if he had a choice.

[OlympusMons423]

I have a list of things I wish they did more of. The trial idea is pretty good, but I can't say I hated how this game opens all that much. If this game let me investigate space more, the friendship and love interest, and did it over twice the amount of discs (being twice or three times the amount of game play) I would have love it more. Well that ending would need so work still of course....

I loved the world they created. Many things were left out to fit on 2 discs, or stay on whatever budgets. If we got to spend more time on Earth before the crap hit the fan, I would have been OK with that.

[Wulfram]

The trial wouldn't have worked for people who didn't play Arrival. Yeah, you can mess around with "they worked for Cerberus" but that's just weak.

And setting up a reason to feel hostile towards the Alliance isn't really a great idea for the story they want to tell in ME3.

[DaJe]

Wulfram wrote...

The trial wouldn't have worked for people who didn't play Arrival. Yeah, you can mess around with "they worked for Cerberus" but that's just weak.

And setting up a reason to feel hostile towards the Alliance isn't really a great idea for the story they want to tell in ME3.

And Liara doesn't make sense as Shadow Broker if you havn't played LotSB?
Nothing makes sense if you havn't played ME1 and ME2?

It certainly looks like that was the thought so they made nothing make sense even if you played everything before in this retcon orgy.

As it stands there is no information why Shepard is "there", which is not specified (I know it's Vancouver because of this forum) and what for. Bad... it's just bad.

Better to build on previously established story than making no sense at all.

Modifié par DaJe, 14 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[wolfsite]

DaJe wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The trial wouldn't have worked for people who didn't play Arrival. Yeah, you can mess around with "they worked for Cerberus" but that's just weak.

And setting up a reason to feel hostile towards the Alliance isn't really a great idea for the story they want to tell in ME3.

And Liara doesn't make sense as Shadow Broker if you havn't played LotSB?
Nothing makes sense if you havn't played ME1 and ME2?

It certainly looks like that was the thought so they made nothing make sense even if you played everything before in this retcon orgy.

As it stands there is no information why Shepard is "there", which is not specified (I know it's Vancouver because of this forum) and what for. Bad... it's just bad.

Better to build on previously established story than making no sense at all.

Well if the player hasn't played Arrival then there Shepard never went to the Asteroid or blew up the Alpha Relay (An Alliance team does this) so that would have taken a bit of the bite out of the trial.

[Chashan]

wolfsite wrote...

Well if the player hasn't played Arrival then there Shepard never went to the Asteroid or blew up the Alpha Relay (An Alliance team does this) so that would have taken a bit of the bite out of the trial.

As was mentioned before, cooperation with Cerberus would have been reason enough, and they could have added some other transgression of Shepard against Alliance regs regarding that in the timeline between ME2 and ME3, independent of Arrival.

Still, as I said before, simply making Arrival canon for Shepards would have been the easy way out there, but nooo....

Modifié par Chashan, 14 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[Wulfram]

Cooperation with Cerberus would be an incredibly weak justification, particularly since Shepard informed his superiors, and they reacted by reinstated his Spectre status. You could do it, but only if you want the story to be about the Alliance being unjust bastards.

And starting the game with ps. you're lovely cuddly Paragon Shep just killed 300,000 people while you weren't watching would be a pretty bad idea.

[wolfsite]

Chashan wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Well if the player hasn't played Arrival then there Shepard never went to the Asteroid or blew up the Alpha Relay (An Alliance team does this) so that would have taken a bit of the bite out of the trial.

As was mentioned before, cooperation with Cerberus would have been reason enough, and they could have added some other transgression of Shepard against Alliance regs regarding that in the timeline between ME2 and ME3, independent of Arrival.

Still, as I said before, simply making Arrival canon for Shepards would have been the easy way out there, but nooo....

True, however there is the one mission were you are sent to retrieve Cerberus information and you have the option of sending it to the Alliance, also blowing up the Collector Base could be seen as anti Cerberus which you could use to say you were acting as a double agent (note haven't read the whole thread so don't know if this has been brought up).

Plus if you shut down Project Overlord and send David to Grissom Acadamy that can show you are not working for Cerberus.

[Xellith]

wolfsite wrote...

Chashan wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Well if the player hasn't played Arrival then there Shepard never went to the Asteroid or blew up the Alpha Relay (An Alliance team does this) so that would have taken a bit of the bite out of the trial.

As was mentioned before, cooperation with Cerberus would have been reason enough, and they could have added some other transgression of Shepard against Alliance regs regarding that in the timeline between ME2 and ME3, independent of Arrival.

Still, as I said before, simply making Arrival canon for Shepards would have been the easy way out there, but nooo....

True, however there is the one mission were you are sent to retrieve Cerberus information and you have the option of sending it to the Alliance, also blowing up the Collector Base could be seen as anti Cerberus which you could use to say you were acting as a double agent (note haven't read the whole thread so don't know if this has been brought up).

Plus if you shut down Project Overlord and send David to Grissom Acadamy that can show you are not working for Cerberus.

so much potential wasted...

[laudable11]

Spitfire_mcguire wrote...

Yes, I was hoping this would happen. It would be an interesting way to begin the game, with Shepard actually on trial defending his action, the VS, Vega and Anderson watching on. It seems to be another missed opportunity.

[laudable11]

Duke Bardorba wrote...

That's what I thought would happen.

It could have also doubled as a way for new players (or players without imported Shepards) to set major past decisions. An in-game equivalent to the Genesis comic, if you will.

[Sgt Stryker]

Hey, weren't we also supposed to get a montage of Earth cities during the intro? Anyone else remember that being mentioned last summer in GameInformer or some other site like that?

[wolfsite]

Xellith wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Chashan wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Well if the player hasn't played Arrival then there Shepard never went to the Asteroid or blew up the Alpha Relay (An Alliance team does this) so that would have taken a bit of the bite out of the trial.

As was mentioned before, cooperation with Cerberus would have been reason enough, and they could have added some other transgression of Shepard against Alliance regs regarding that in the timeline between ME2 and ME3, independent of Arrival.

Still, as I said before, simply making Arrival canon for Shepards would have been the easy way out there, but nooo....

True, however there is the one mission were you are sent to retrieve Cerberus information and you have the option of sending it to the Alliance, also blowing up the Collector Base could be seen as anti Cerberus which you could use to say you were acting as a double agent (note haven't read the whole thread so don't know if this has been brought up).

Plus if you shut down Project Overlord and send David to Grissom Acadamy that can show you are not working for Cerberus.

so much potential wasted...

Looking at it though there area a lot of variables to consider.  To account for every possible decision that would require a lot of voice work needing dialogues for if you did an event one way or the other, didn't do the event at all, fresh character (no import), DLC events.  That can branch out quite a bit especially for an intro segment.

[fr33stylez]

Wulfram wrote...

Cooperation with Cerberus would be an incredibly weak justification, particularly since Shepard informed his superiors, and they reacted by reinstated his Spectre status. You could do it, but only if you want the story to be about the Alliance being unjust bastards.

Well to be fair, the current intro offers that same weak justification. If working with Cerberus was weak justifcation, why did Shepard turn himself in? Why was the Normandy grounded? Where is the crew? Why has Shepard sat around for the past 6 months doing nothing?

It makes even less sense now.

Modifié par fr33stylez, 14 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[Chashan]

Wulfram wrote...

Cooperation with Cerberus would be an incredibly weak justification, particularly since Shepard informed his superiors, and they reacted by reinstated his Spectre status. You could do it, but only if you want the story to be about the Alliance being unjust bastards.

And starting the game with ps. you're lovely cuddly Paragon Shep just killed 300,000 people while you weren't watching would be a pretty bad idea.

Superiors acknowledging said status being the Council, not Alliance proper, and then they tell Shepard to do business outside of Council space. And no, I don't see Udina as the one in charge of the Alliance. Also, I would have appreciated some more edges to the shiny Alliance which started to show in ME2 anyway, so I don't see the problem with them being "unjust bastards".

As for the latter, flashbacks to prerendered scenes of the thing happening would have been the way to go. As is, even when having finished Arrival, the "consequences" are just outright negligible.

Modifié par Chashan, 14 mai 2012 - 03:16 .

[Izhalezan]

The trail would've been a fantastic update to Genesis.

[Silasqtx]

Sorry to be the party pooper, but you're on trial just for the Batarian incident, nothing else (Jack is teaching at Grissom Academy atm, so..)

Plus, what would Shepard say? There's no way to roleplay this, not a chance.

"You slaughtered millions and destroyed the Alpha Relay"
"I did it for the Galaxy, the Reapers are out there and are coming for us"

Can't see what else can be said during the trial.

[gavccu]

One idea i use to have within the timeframe of the 'trial' was to include a Cerberus assassination plot against Shepard during her/his incarceration. This was in order to increase the tension and introduce to the player gameplay elements before the invasion.

This was all in my head of course before the game came out because, you know, i think of these things a bit to much...

[Chashan]

Silasqtx wrote...

Sorry to be the party pooper, but you're on trial just for the Batarian incident, nothing else (Jack is teaching at Grissom Academy atm, so..)

Jack wasn't exactly in action out of her love for Cerberus either. Somewhat similar to Shepard in that regard...as Miranda tells Shepard in the beginning of ME2: either come with us, or be stuck on a station with zounds of mechs running amok.
Shepard can opt to tell Jack just as much to the same effect on Purgatory.

What is more interesting is that Jack's criminal record appears to have been overlooked by the academy...although one could argue that Jack is a crafty enough individual to make those disappear.

That aside, can anyone confirm whether there is any different dialogue at all between Shepard and Anderson in the beginning if Arrival has not been completed in ME2?

Plus, what would Shepard say? There's no way to roleplay this, not a chance.

"You slaughtered millions and destroyed the Alpha Relay"
"I did it for the Galaxy, the Reapers are out there and are coming for us"

Can't see what else can be said during the trial.

It was a third of a million, which is already bad enough, with the utter destruction of the entire Bahak-system, planets and all, thrown into the mix.

It would also only be one of two obvious options, really, this being the renegade-route of "ends justifying the means", with a grain of prejudice towards batarians in general possibly thrown in I'd wager...the other being Shepard truly regretting the action. As is, we are not even given a choice there, which is just very, very weak. Even Arrival allowed for Shepard to express as much either way to Hackett, despite the odious lack of repeated attempts to warn the batarian colony...

Modifié par Chashan, 14 mai 2012 - 05:36 .

[Silasqtx]

Chashan wrote...
It would also only be one of two obvious options, really, this being the renegade-route of "ends justifying the means", with a grain of prejudice towards batarians in general possibly thrown in I'd wager...the other being Shepard truly regretting the action. As is, we are not even given a choice there, which is just very, very weak. Even Arrival allowed for Shepard to express as much either way to Hackett, despite the odious lack of repeated attempts to warn the batarian colony...

Agreed, but think about it: Anderson told Shepard like 1-2 minutes before the trial that "something massive is headed our way xoxo what could possibly be?". Paragon or Renegade, Shepard would focus his attention on this matter rather than on the whole Trial, don't you think? That's why roleplaying the trial seems (to me) pointless, at least in comparison with the Reaper threat. Don't get me wrong,  extra scenes that play out the trial are indeed welcome, but not that important (again, imo).