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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

DJBare wrote...

"Anyone else sick of IT? "

No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.

Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.

How sad.

[zambot]

IT almost warrants its own forum.

[MetioricTest]

OdanUrr wrote...

The funny thing is that the closer we are to summer, the more threads are starting to pop up on some aspect or other of IT, either for or against. It's like those who are for IT are afraid it won't be true unless they keep talking about it, and those who are against are afraid it might become true unless they argue otherwise. If anything, it goes to show how single-minded the BSN community can be.

That's a bit cynical. Don't you just think it's just coming up again because of the extended ending?

[TSA_383]

Arppis wrote...

In a way, but I'm also kinda sick of all these threads of ME3 endings.

I think we're all sick of the ad-hominems back and forth - would be so much better if people could just come on here and have a debate properly...
To be honest, and this will come across as biased, that's why I like the IT thread - someone posts an idea and a bunch of people go and see if there's any evidence to support it. Usually there's not much, sometimes there is.

TeffexPope wrote...

Yep. Bioware would have said something by now if it were the case.

Why?
That'd be like George Lucas telling everyone that Vader was Luke's father right before the empire strikes back came out...

Elyiia wrote...

When the main plot device (the crucible)
is about as likely to survive for us to find in our cycle as Frodo is to
find a laser and use that to kill Sauron, I'm going to think bad
writing.

Could also be a trap, seems awfully convenient and seems like they intended to lure Shepard there - hoping that's given some clarification in the EC.

Alienboy411676 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be indoctrinated?

Consult with your doctor. He might have some advice that could save someone's life. It could even be mine.

Again,
I'm not saying IT was a bad idea.  It was.  I'm just sick of it, and
it's been so hyped up now that I'd rather see BioWare come up with their
own solution for the ending.  

Will you really assume that bioware took it from the fans if they come out with it? Indoctrination's been a theme in all three Mass Effect games (although chiefly 1 and 3) and it seems odd to assume that bioware, a company known for doing this sort of mind****ery (see the elder brain character) would have to take such an idea from its fan base, particularly when they've done very similar things before...

[StElmo]

jijeebo wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be indoctrinated?

Consult with your doctor. He might have some advice that could save someone's life. It could even be mine.

Again, I'm not saying IT was a bad idea.  It was.  I'm just sick of it, and it's been so hyped up now that I'd rather see BioWare come up with their own solution for the ending.  

Who says it's not their plan from the beginning?

Bioware did, or at least they implied it when they said the EC wasn't planned.



EDIT: To answer OP, I don't have a problem with the IT existing no matter how much I disagree with it...

It's the elitists that constantly bring my intelligence into question for not following it that are tiresome, and their 20 threads a day.

BioWare may have been hoping IT would have been worked out easier by fans, but left it ambiguous.

[jijeebo]

StElmo wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be indoctrinated?

Consult with your doctor. He might have some advice that could save someone's life. It could even be mine.

Again, I'm not saying IT was a bad idea.  It was.  I'm just sick of it, and it's been so hyped up now that I'd rather see BioWare come up with their own solution for the ending.  

Who says it's not their plan from the beginning?

Bioware did, or at least they implied it when they said the EC wasn't planned.



EDIT: To answer OP, I don't have a problem with the IT existing no matter how much I disagree with it...

It's the elitists that constantly bring my intelligence into question for not following it that are tiresome, and their 20 threads a day.

BioWare may have been hoping IT would have been worked out easier by fans, but left it ambiguous.

Still doesn't explain why they didn't add the IT ending to their game yet didn't plan the EC... Were they just going to leave the game endingless?

"Hurrah, you beat indoctrination! ROLL CREDITS!"

Casey: "... It's perfect."
Mac: "Uhm... If people figure it out they'll realise that they haven't beaten the reapers yet, OR concluded the TIM arc?"
Casey: "Be quiet, it's art."
Mac: "Wha..."
Casey: "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL"
Mac: "... Artistic... Integrity."
Casey: "Muuuuch better."

[DJBare]

Lizardviking wrote...

DJBare wrote...

"Anyone else sick of IT? "

No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.

Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.

How sad.

And I would be saying exactly the same as you if the EC was not free, but if IT turns out to be the true ending, then I will be asking questions also, if they were hoping to play on suspense and speculation, then 6 months is way too long for that kind of thing.

[Ridwan]

StElmo wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be indoctrinated?

Consult with your doctor. He might have some advice that could save someone's life. It could even be mine.

Again, I'm not saying IT was a bad idea.  It was.  I'm just sick of it, and it's been so hyped up now that I'd rather see BioWare come up with their own solution for the ending.  

Who says it's not their plan from the beginning?

Bioware did, or at least they implied it when they said the EC wasn't planned.



EDIT: To answer OP, I don't have a problem with the IT existing no matter how much I disagree with it...

It's the elitists that constantly bring my intelligence into question for not following it that are tiresome, and their 20 threads a day.

BioWare may have been hoping IT would have been worked out easier by fans, but left it ambiguous.

IT was something the fans made up, don't give Bioware credit to something they never planned or did.

[dreamgazer]

Nah.

I like using my brain for abstract thinking and interpretations that branch out from crude perceptions of what's going on, whether the notion was bluntly intended or not. There's more to the enjoyment obtained from a theory than confirmation: the process of logically---in this case, VERY logically---piecing together facts, clues, and motivations that spread across a body, or bodies, of work. The people who angrily dismiss the theory without looking into it won't be able to discover that many of the full-blown believers have an intense awareness of the game's lore and themes, and that in itself makes it worth seeing how their mental gears crank.

What I'm sick of is the people with such a narrow viewpoint that they feel the need to unleash knee-jerk venom at those who wish to do so, for reasons I cannot fathom. You'll find nothing but logical---and, yes, sometimes straw-grasping---thought-processes when you enter into the big IT theory thread, full of calm and constructive thought and a cogent appreciation for the lore. That is, until someone barrels in, vomits up their negative feelings on the idea, and states that they can't wait for the EC to come out so it will silence the theorists (and I've even read a comment or two associating them with a cult, and about committing suicide).

I'll take interpretive thought, sometimes justified and other times off-base, over that any day of the week.

[Kaelef]

zambot wrote...

IT almost warrants its own forum.

Remove "almost" from your post.

Modifié par Kaelef, 13 mai 2012 - 04:22 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

DJBare wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

DJBare wrote...

"Anyone else sick of IT? "

No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.

Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.

How sad.

And I would be saying exactly the same as you if the EC was not free, but if IT turns out to be the true ending, then I will be asking questions also, if they were hoping to play on suspense and speculation, then 6 months is way too long for that kind of thing.

But lets face it. The only reason EC is free is due to the sheer backlash of the endings. Meaning that if IT is true then Bioware deliberetly held the ending back due to intending to sell it later. And that is pretty damn unethical, even if they withdrew such plans later when the fan response hit them.

[Kaelef]

StElmo wrote...

BioWare may have been hoping IT would have been worked out easier by fans, but left it ambiguous.

The Faith is strong in this one!

[Kaelef]

Lizardviking wrote...

But lets face it. The only reason EC is free is due to the sheer backlash of the endings. Meaning that if IT is true then Bioware deliberetly held the ending back due to intending to sell it later. And that is pretty damn unethical, even if they withdrew such plans later when the fan response hit them.

The amount of baseless speculation in this single post is enough to make one's head spin.

[MetioricTest]

Call me a **** but I'd be happy to be conned out of $10 if it meant I could get a proper ending.

I'd rather be conned out of money for a great story than conned out of a great story to save money.


Edit: Wow I can't believe that is censored lol

Modifié par MetioricTest, 13 mai 2012 - 04:34 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Kaelef wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But lets face it. The only reason EC is free is due to the sheer backlash of the endings. Meaning that if IT is true then Bioware deliberetly held the ending back due to intending to sell it later. And that is pretty damn unethical, even if they withdrew such plans later when the fan response hit them.

The amount of baseless speculation in this single post is enough to make one's head spin.

Bioware seemed quite taken back by the sheer negative response to the ending, and making the EC for free seemed to happen only because selling it would create an even bigger PR nightmare, but that is just my take on these events.

Still. If IT is true then Bioware did not sell me a truly complete product at purchase. Which is bad no matter how you spin it.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 13 mai 2012 - 04:30 .

[MetioricTest]

Bioware seemed quite taken back by the sheer negative response to the ending, and making the EC for free seemed to happen only because selling it would create an even bigger PR nightmare, but that is just my take on these events.

Still. If IT is true then Bioware did not sell me a truly complete product at purchase. Which is bad no matter how you spin it.

I hate to be that guy but source?

I've seen nothing from Bioware's PR other than them avoiding the issue. Let alone saying or implying the ending is free due to fan complaints.

I mean the ending only exists due to those complaints, it's not a new one just an extended one and Bioware paid for the actors to come back and redo them.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

MetioricTest wrote...
I hate to be that guy but source?

I've seen nothing from Bioware's PR other than them avoiding the issue. Let alone saying or implying the ending is free due to fan complaints.

I mean the ending only exists due to those complaints, it's not a new one just an extended one and Bioware paid for the actors to come back and redo them.

I cannot provide sources. I simply stating how I interpretate Bioware's response. I see their actions as them being completely suprised at the sheer negative response.

[CroGamer002]

Yes, I'm seriously getting sick of it.

[Ieldra]

Yes, I've always found IT puke-worthy.

[hammerfan]

Book of Mazarbul wrote...

It was a fun balm to soothe the wound Bioware dealt to the collective soul of the fandom. Now it's been overanalyzed to death, and most have forgotten that it's just elaborate fan fiction. Bioware's going to release some lame cutscenes that don't remove Starbaby and his ABC choices, rendering the DLC a waste of time. Time to accept the good years we had with Mass Effect, close this chapter in our geekdom and move on to better things. Read and watch Game of Thrones. Play The Witcher 2. Get hyped for The Dark Knight Rises.

Or go see The Avengers:D

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mesina2 wrote...

Yes, I'm seriously getting sick of it.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, I've always found IT puke-worthy.

Uh-oh! Two people has been indoctrinated.

[Kaelef]

Lizardviking wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But lets face it. The only reason EC is free is due to the sheer backlash of the endings. Meaning that if IT is true then Bioware deliberetly held the ending back due to intending to sell it later. And that is pretty damn unethical, even if they withdrew such plans later when the fan response hit them.

The amount of baseless speculation in this single post is enough to make one's head spin.

Bioware seemed quite taken back by the sheer negative response to the ending, and making the EC for free seemed to happen only because selling it would create an even bigger PR nightmare, but that is just my take on these events.

Still. If IT is true then Bioware did not sell me a truly complete product at purchase. Which is bad no matter how you spin it.

You're posting your emotion-driven opinions as facts.  Please stop it.

[dreamgazer]

Lizardviking wrote...

Still. If IT is true then Bioware did not sell me a truly complete product at purchase. Which is bad no matter how you spin it.

All it would take is roughly fifteen to twenty minutes to confirm the theory out of a 30-40 hour experience, and 99% of the game---think about the entirety of the game that you've played, from the level design and conversations to moral decisions---will remain fundamentally unaltered if the theory proves to be correct.

There's a difference between simply lopping off the last 1% of a game and what BioWare will have accomplished with this. You could argue that it might set a bad precedent with future games and the willingness of gamers to bend and sweat due to their loyalty, I agree with that, but I honestly don't see it being an empty, "I didn't get a full product" situation if the full theory proves accurate. You did get an end, one that will ultimately get the same point across with some logical thinking involved; what you do with the way you perceive and interpret it, as it's implemented currently, is up to you.

There's a clever, rewarding prize at the end of the tunnel, and it will have been a unique way for the community to tear through the lore in search of answers. The execution and the company's perception of their audience's threshold is off, I'm not even going to try and deny that, but this doesn't spell "bad, bad, bad" for BioWare if they elect to fully deliver on the theory's notions.

[Ieldra]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Yes, I'm seriously getting sick of it.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, I've always found IT puke-worthy.

Uh-oh! Two people has been indoctrinated.

That there are so many people who post things like this and mean it is the major reason why I find it puke-worthy. Saying what I think of those people would probably get me banned.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Kaelef wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But lets face it. The only reason EC is free is due to the sheer backlash of the endings. Meaning that if IT is true then Bioware deliberetly held the ending back due to intending to sell it later. And that is pretty damn unethical, even if they withdrew such plans later when the fan response hit them.

The amount of baseless speculation in this single post is enough to make one's head spin.

Bioware seemed quite taken back by the sheer negative response to the ending, and making the EC for free seemed to happen only because selling it would create an even bigger PR nightmare, but that is just my take on these events.

Still. If IT is true then Bioware did not sell me a truly complete product at purchase. Which is bad no matter how you spin it.

You're posting your emotion-driven opinions as facts.  Please stop it.

I am aware of that now and I apologize.