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[balance5050]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Yes, I'm seriously getting sick of it.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes, I've always found IT puke-worthy.

Uh-oh! Two people has been indoctrinated.

That there are so many people who post things like this and mean it is the major reason why I find it puke-worthy. Saying what I think of those people would probably get me banned.

Do it... I dare you.

[Seboist]

IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.

[balance5050]

Yeah, I hate good idea's too....

[stysiaq]

I'm more sick of the fact that BioWare doesn't confirm nor deny it.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

Lizardviking wrote...

DJBare wrote...

"Anyone else sick of IT? "

No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.

Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.

How sad.

This, so much.

I'm tired of being TOLD I'm wrong, andhearing comments similar to this when I say I simply don't believe it's right, at all: "HAHAHAHA OMFG U CALL URSELF BIOWARE FAN???? YOU GUNNA BE P****D WEN ITS REUL AND BEST MINDF**K END EVUR!!!!"
.......sure.

Here are the facts, If Indo is correct, the ending is totaly incomplete (and don't give me... "oh they are saving it for ME4!!", thie end of the sequel was always supposed to end the story of Shepard and the Reapers properly. As it is, if Indo is correct, it hasn't even ended. If the ending we have now is correct, then at LEAST it's an ending. A very poor, badly thought out one too). There are stll plot holes in the main story that need to be fixed, and scenes will need to be changed to make IT fit properly.

So... it's not people who are interested in IT that I hate, it's those that are so utterly convinced that Bioware have given them the "greatest mindf**k ending ever", that they can't even comprehend the possibility that Bioware just wrote a bad, plot hole ridden story.

Peace. Space ftw and all that

[Seboist]

stysiaq wrote...

I'm more sick of the fact that BioWare doesn't confirm nor deny it.

The government doesn't confirm or deny 9/11 "truther" whackjob conspiracy theories either for that matter. The IT is in the same category.

[hammerfan]

Seboist wrote...

IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.

Yep, some of these threads are comedy gold.

[balance5050]

stysiaq wrote...

I'm more sick of the fact that BioWare doesn't confirm nor deny it.

The EC will be here soon, sit tight my brother.

[TSA_383]

dreamgazer wrote...

Nah.

I like using my brain for abstract thinking and interpretations that branch out from crude perceptions of what's going on, whether the notion was bluntly intended or not. There's more to the enjoyment obtained from a theory than confirmation: the process of logically---in this case, VERY logically---piecing together facts, clues, and motivations that spread across a body, or bodies, of work. The people who angrily dismiss the theory without looking into it won't be able to discover that many of the full-blown believers have an intense awareness of the game's lore and themes, and that in itself makes it worth seeing how their mental gears crank.

What I'm sick of is the people with such a narrow viewpoint that they feel the need to unleash knee-jerk venom at those who wish to do so, for reasons I cannot fathom. You'll find nothing but logical---and, yes, sometimes straw-grasping---thought-processes when you enter into the big IT theory thread, full of calm and constructive thought and a cogent appreciation for the lore. That is, until someone barrels in, vomits up their negative feelings on the idea, and states that they can't wait for the EC to come out so it will silence the theorists (and I've even read a comment or two associating them with a cult, and about committing suicide).

I'll take interpretive thought, sometimes justified and other times off-base, over that any day of the week.

I'd put this in my sig if I could. You've summed up my feelings on the matter too. Cookies for you good sir.

dreamgazer wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Still. If IT is true then Bioware did not sell me a truly complete product at purchase. Which is bad no matter how you spin it.

All
it would take is roughly fifteen to twenty minutes to confirm the
theory out of a 30-40 hour experience, and 99% of the game---think about
the entirety of the game that you've played, from the level design and
conversations to moral decisions---will remain fundamentally unaltered
if the theory proves to be correct.

There's a difference
between simply lopping off the last 1% of a game and what BioWare will
have accomplished with this. You could argue that it might set a bad
precedent with future games and the willingness of gamers to bend and
sweat due to their loyalty, I agree with that, but I honestly don't see
it being an empty, "I didn't get a full product" situation if the full
theory proves accurate. You did get an end, one that will
ultimately get the same point across with some logical thinking
involved; what you do with the way you perceive and interpret it, as
it's implemented currently, is up to you.

There's a clever,
rewarding prize at the end of the tunnel, and it will have been a unique
way for the community to tear through the lore in search of answers.
The execution and the company's perception of their audience's threshold
is off, I'm not even going to try and deny that, but this doesn't spell
"bad, bad, bad" for BioWare if they elect to fully deliver on the
theory's notions.

I think the large part of the problem is that people aren't used to this sort of things in gaming.
Yes, bioware has done stuff like this before (DA:O, Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate etc) but most studios prefer to make nice, safe AAA titles with nice, simple plots that people who play Gears of War can understand. Mass Effect 2 was very much in this vein, I think, which is an inconsistency which understandably is a touch confusing to most of the fanbase.
I hope it doesn't put game publishers off giving us a mental challenge. I think I've played enough games in my life to be able to understand the mechanics of shooting around chest-high walls pretty well, but a game that challenges you mentally as well... now that's something rare.

OMEGAlomaniac wrote...
*snip*

What you just said reminded me of a comment I once heard from someone when I was at school, talking about "Animal Farm":

"It's a stupid book because animals can't talk anyway"....

[Bob3terd]

I dont hate IT im just tired of people preaching it. I want to wait and see, leave me alone.

[Seboist]

hammerfan wrote...

Seboist wrote...

IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.

Yep, some of these threads are comedy gold.

They use some very laughable "logic" to justify their "Theory" like "Shepard doesn't question starchild at all!!!!" , were these clowns on some cocaine binge and missed all the auto-dialogue up the yin-yang that happened in the rest of the game?

[OdanUrr]

MetioricTest wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

The funny thing is that the closer we are to summer, the more threads are starting to pop up on some aspect or other of IT, either for or against. It's like those who are for IT are afraid it won't be true unless they keep talking about it, and those who are against are afraid it might become true unless they argue otherwise. If anything, it goes to show how single-minded the BSN community can be.

That's a bit cynical. Don't you just think it's just coming up again because of the extended ending?

That's what I mean, the closer we get to the EC, the more eager/desperate people become.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

TSA_383 wrote...

What you just said reminded me of a comment I once heard from someone when I was at school, talking about "Animal Farm":

"It's a stupid book because animals can't talk anyway"....

What? I'm sorry, but how is that relatable to what I said? I'm tired of being preached to, and TOLD that I am wrong for thinking that IT is most likely incorrect. Even if it is true, we still have an incomplete, and plot hole ridden story that is being dragged out for a sequel that should not exist. Are you actualy going to try and argue against that?

Obviously not being a "believer" makes me stupid.

Modifié par OMEGAlomaniac, 13 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[JA Shepard]

Don't know if I'm sick of IT but I wish more was explained of how it would create an ending better than what's already there. I personally feel that just the mere attempt of Indoctrination on the key figure of the war at that exact moment would be an absolute masterstroke by The Reapers.The timing would have been perfect. It gives them three ways to win. Whether Indoctrination succeeds or fails becomes moot. It knocks Shepard out of the battle either way.

So the Reapers tried to indoctrinate Shepard? Now what? If it supposedly fails, she still is compromised and unfit for command and has to be relieved, either voluntarily or by force.

If indoctrination succeeds, Shepard has a death sentence. God forbid it turns out to be some choice between a Paragon interrupt of suicide or a Renegade interrupt of resisting that causes troops or a squadmate to shoot you dead.

Even if all the Reapers did was severely injure Shepard from Harbinger's death ray, that still takes Shepard out of the fight long enough to cripple the plan. The allied forces have no effective back up plan that could be used this late in the war. All their chances have been bottlenecked into Shepard making it to the conduit and onto the Citadel in time to activate The Crucible for whatever function it would actually have in a new ending .

If Shepard becomes the first anything ever to fully resist Indoctrination, and immediately returns to battle after what should be serious injuries from Harbinger, it will make the entire injection of Indoctrination into the waning moments of the game pointless. You'd just be resetting the scene to just after Hammer Team has been wiped out. There has to be dire consequences, otherwise, why would the writers bother with derailing the entire game and making us wait months for the actual ending?

Indoc has to have a payoff for more than just its own cleverness. Somebody important has to die or something terrible has to happen that alters things for the worse or it was all meaningless. IT is cool on paper, but it appears to follow a path that only has the Reapers winning in the most logical scenario.

[ShepnTali]

I don't have a problem with IT at all. Talk about it hurts no one. It looks like very few claim it as 100% fact, as most are just excited about the possibility. There wouldn't be as many IT threads if people who don't get the appeal wouldn't keep arguing against it for the sake of arguing against it. Or more to the point, just F'ng with ITers for the sake of it.


It's harmless, doesn't kick your dog, and the topics are avoidable.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 13 mai 2012 - 05:38 .

[hoodaticus]

Seboist wrote...

IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.

Until DA2 and the end of ME3, Bioware were the gods of interactive story telling.  An object in motion and all that, I'm thinking their talents were foreshortened by an outside force, namely, EA.

[hoodaticus]

Bob3terd wrote...

I dont hate IT im just tired of people preaching it. I want to wait and see, leave me alone.

His will is almost broken.

[balance5050]

hoodaticus wrote...

Bob3terd wrote...

I dont hate IT im just tired of people preaching it. I want to wait and see, leave me alone.

His will is almost broken.

Heeheehee...

[Kaelef]

Seboist wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

I'm more sick of the fact that BioWare doesn't confirm nor deny it.

The government doesn't confirm or deny 9/11 "truther" whackjob conspiracy theories either for that matter. The IT is in the same category.

*polite applause*

[BatmanTurian]

Kaelef wrote...

Seboist wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

I'm more sick of the fact that BioWare doesn't confirm nor deny it.

The government doesn't confirm or deny 9/11 "truther" whackjob conspiracy theories either for that matter. The IT is in the same category.

*polite applause*

Groupthink is such an interesting psychological phenomenon to sit and watch unfolding before your very eyes.

[Deltateam Elcor]

Anything else sick of threads about being sick of IT?

I sure am, your opinion doesn't deserve a whole thread.

[XxDarkTimexX]

the only people who hate the IT Theory is people who hate ideas or creative ideas

[CroGamer002]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

the only people who hate the IT Theory is people who hate bad writing.

Fixed.

[hoodaticus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Seboist wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

I'm more sick of the fact that BioWare doesn't confirm nor deny it.

The government doesn't confirm or deny 9/11 "truther" whackjob conspiracy theories either for that matter. The IT is in the same category.

*polite applause*

Groupthink is such an interesting psychological phenomenon to sit and watch unfolding before your very eyes.

And by "interesting", we mean creepy.  Like watching the scientists on the derelict reaper as they... turn.