sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
......................rather than, such a shame to have NO imagination
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Aaleel wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
Meh, one of my biggest problems with the Indoctrination Theories, seeing they're several of them, people can't even decide on one canon IT. But I digress...
One of my biggest problems is that it makes all Shepard's equal. A Shepard that experienced Object Rho in Arrival is the same as one that didn't. All Shepard's took the death of the VS exactly the same. Somehow every Shepard running down the hill in the same weakened mental state to be forced into this battle for their mind.
My Shepard is nothing like anyone elses.
You say that your Shepard is not like anyone elses. That is fine, if not totally true.
Ultimately, all Shepard's are the same. The way they feel is exactly the same, the way they see things is exactly the same, and finally, the way they react to different things is exactly the same.
The only difference is how we ourselves feel about it, not how Shepard does.
Not true at all. Some Shepard's spent 2 days unconscious around a reaper aftifact, some Shepard's didn't. Some Shepard's experienced the lose of multiple squadmates on the Suicide Missions, some none. So Shepard's experienced the loss of many friends in ME3, some just had Legion and Mordin.
When asked by squadmates how they're feeling, some say confident, some say apprehensive. When asked about past losses, some say the miss everyone, some focus on just the VS.
The list goes on and on and on.
About Arrival: It is considered canon that Shepard destoyed the Bahak system, regardless if you did it or not.
This is confirmed in a comic.
Also: You're right that Shepard may or may not have lost a lot of friends, but you do not know how they personally feel. You only know how you yourself feel. That is the point of an RPG.
Ultimately, the sense of loss they feel is the same. The difference is what that sense of loss is concentrated on.
False. If you didn't do Arrival. Hackett sent in a squad of commandos to do it, who all die in the process. Shepard was never there.
estebanus wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
And another one who compares the IT with cults. Seriously, how may more of these people exist?
XxDarkTimexX wrote...
about this get the **** out of here if u hate bioware so much and go play codSeboist wrote...
IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.
.........Halo
I have imagination, I can see IT for what it could be. However I also have the common sense to know what it really is: A product of people's denial. Surely the ending could not be that bad, surely. Surely it was all just a dream.ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
jules_vern18 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
And another one who compares the IT with cults. Seriously, how may more of these people exist?
You're right - "fanatics" would have been a more accurate and appropriate semantic choice.
XxDarkTimexX wrote...
thats the same thing as the IT theorydraken-heart wrote...
i am not that sick if, but only because i see I.T. as a viable hypothesis (hypothesis comes before theory).
i personally think that Shepard is just hallucinating from blood loss and the reapers are using that hallucination to get to Shepard's emotions.
jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
estebanus wrote...
Yes, I know that, but there are two comics set before arrival that say that Shepard did in fact blow up the alpha relay, whether you did it ingame or not.
Aaleel wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Yes, I know that, but there are two comics set before arrival that say that Shepard did in fact blow up the alpha relay, whether you did it ingame or not.
So external material overrides what actually happened in the game now? Wow. Also if they were set before Arrival occured how can they prove Arrival even occured, let alone that Shepard did it.
Or did you mean before ME3.
sorentoft wrote...
I have imagination, I can see IT for what it could be. However I also have the common sense to know what it really is: A product of people's denial. Surely the ending could not be that bad, surely. Surely it was all just a dream.ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
jules_vern18 wrote...
Indoctrination theorists are like 9/11 truthers: cute at first, but now just a contemptibly annoying cult-like group that tries to shove it's views down your throat at every opportunity.
Post credits rubble = WTC #7
BatmanTurian wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Yes, I know that, but there are two comics set before arrival that say that Shepard did in fact blow up the alpha relay, whether you did it ingame or not.
So external material overrides what actually happened in the game now? Wow. Also if they were set before Arrival occured how can they prove Arrival even occured, let alone that Shepard did it.
Or did you mean before ME3.
The comics and books (except for Deception, I'm told) are considered canon.
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Lyrebon wrote...
HiddenKING wrote...
I used to refer to my penis as IT. Now some stupid idea, that's little more than a hypothesis, uses it. :
You called your penis "Indoctrination Theory" and you call the idea stupid?
estebanus wrote...
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Seboist wrote...
IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.
OH sure, the entire 3rd installment is bad..........................uh huh
Yup, everything was bad, like Tuchanka, or even worse still, Rannoch!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Rannoch was terrible, Tuchanka was the only good part of the entire story.
The awkward moment when somebody thinks a super retarded boss battle with a nobody reaper is good, and the entire quarian versus Geth storyline totally wasnt a joke, and then has to post a picture instead of using intelligent words because they can't back up their claims.
That awkward moment when you realize that someone disagrees with you. That awkward moment when someone realizes that maybe ones own opinion not necessarily is true, and that maybe oneself can't deal with other people having different opinions on what is good or not. That awkward moment when one maybe should think about one's stance on the interpretations of the same thing by different people.
It is false by the fact it has no been proven. Something is either true or false. There is no middle ground in that. If it is suddenly proven to be true via the EC it is true. Until that it will always be false. That is just how things work. I'll freely admit I hope IT will be proven true, but until then it remains what it is - pure imagination, utter denial.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I have imagination, I can see IT for what it could be. However I also have the common sense to know what it really is: A product of people's denial. Surely the ending could not be that bad, surely. Surely it was all just a dream.ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
You say that common sense dictates that the IT is wishful thinking and a product born of denial.
I say that common sense dictates that a theory is still viable until it has either been confirmed or disproven.
Has it been confirmed or disproven? NO.
Will it be when the EC is out? YES.
Will all the ****ing on both sides finally stop? NO.
Is this discussion uttery pointless, as no one will prevail? YES.
BatmanTurian wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
Not all of us believe in black-and-white thinking like this. You should put down your brush because it's foolish to paint everyone who believes I.T. is plausible with the same brush of a cult member, religious zealot, or conspiracy nut. By attacking the people posing the hypothesis rather than the hypothesis itself, you use ad hominem and automatically lose all credibility as someone with the intelligence to analyze both ends of the spectrum of debate..
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jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
jules_vern18 wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
So if somebody doesn't accept a stupid idea, it's because they are lacking in imagination?
I have plenty of imagination. I write, I was an art major once, hell - I even played D&D for a while. It's not a matter of imagination or close-mindedness - I read the original IT thread when it first came out with an open mind. Then I realized it was nothing more than the ramblings of a desperate conspiracy theorist. It reminded me right away of the 9/11 truthers - nothing can disprove the theory, everything can be construed as further proof of it.
It's not about imagination. People don't hold on to their imaginings fanatically and obsessively...
...unless they're crazy.
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sorentoft wrote...
It is false by the fact it has no been proven. Something is either true or false. There is no middle ground in that. If it is suddenly proven to be true via the EC it is true. Until that it will always be false. That is just how things work. I'll freely admit I hope IT will be proven true, but until then it remains what it is - pure imagination, utter denial.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I have imagination, I can see IT for what it could be. However I also have the common sense to know what it really is: A product of people's denial. Surely the ending could not be that bad, surely. Surely it was all just a dream.ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
You say that common sense dictates that the IT is wishful thinking and a product born of denial.
I say that common sense dictates that a theory is still viable until it has either been confirmed or disproven.
Has it been confirmed or disproven? NO.
Will it be when the EC is out? YES.
Will all the ****ing on both sides finally stop? NO.
Is this discussion uttery pointless, as no one will prevail? YES.
sorentoft wrote...
It is false by the fact it has no been proven. Something is either true or false. There is no middle ground in that. If it is suddenly proven to be true via the EC it is true. Until that it will always be false. That is just how things work. I'll freely admit I hope IT will be proven true, but until then it remains what it is - pure imagination, utter denial.
BatmanTurian wrote...
estebanus wrote...
That depends on the people that discuss it.
Some (Most I know of) bring forth very insightful points, while others just act like zealots.
The same goes for people who are against the theory.
There will always be the smart ones, and there will always be the overly zealous ones. The same goes for each and everything in this world.
I'm also sick of people who don't bring forth any evidence to support their claims, but just ridicule us and treat us like scum.
And I know one side that does that very frequently.
If you can't accept that some people have different opinions than yours, then you're gonna have to deal with it. Trying to impeach our rights of civil discussion won't help your case in any way.
Very much this. I tire of people coming onto a forum about discussion actively attempting to remove or impede discussion. It's negates the entire premise of this board. It's also foolish and incredibly close-minded. People on both sides seem to do it, but there is one side who does this more.
At any rate, saying there are sides in this is false. However, there is no other way to describe this situation in English terms. All of us did not like the ending in its literal interpretation (well, most of us). All of us are united in the hope for a better, more cohesive ending in the EC. None of us actually like that we were sold an unfinished game These uniting opinions should be more important than whether or not someone believes the ending was a metaphor or just bad writing. Arguing amongst ourselves in an uncivil manner accomplishes nothing.
Aaleel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Yes, I know that, but there are two comics set before arrival that say that Shepard did in fact blow up the alpha relay, whether you did it ingame or not.
So external material overrides what actually happened in the game now? Wow. Also if they were set before Arrival occured how can they prove Arrival even occured, let alone that Shepard did it.
Or did you mean before ME3.
The comics and books (except for Deception, I'm told) are considered canon.
It specifically says in the game you weren't there, and tells you how the Alpha relay was destroyed. When you flat out ask Anderson so why did you ground me and take away my ship. If you did Arrival, he says 300,000 Batarians are dead, and if you didn't he makes no mention of Batarians.
The writer's make a distinction in the game, so obviously the comics & books (Which already have an exception it seems) are not canon.
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