Hadeedak wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Indoctroantion!!!1
There's only one cure...
Oh good. I'll look forward to my "Shepard commits suicide in all 3 endings, because you can't ACTUALLY break free of indoctrination or reaper influence" DLC.
That ought to be a laugh a minute.:innocent:
jules_vern18 wrote...
What I'm commenting on is the IT theorists who hijack threads, shove their opinion in everyone's face, and refuse to accept that their opinion could possibly be wrong.
I'm sorry if it looks like black & white thinking, but I have been on these forums quite a bit and have almost never seen an IT theorist who doesn't fit that description.
Step 1: A thread is started discussing a single one of the many plot-holes in ME3.
Step 2: IT cultist spam posts:
"Everything is explained here:"
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
Step 3: Someone inevitably challenges the logic of the IT cultist.
Step 4: IT cultist posts incessantly in defense of his "logic" until the wee hours of the night, ultimately hijacking the thread.
Step 5: The thread is now about IT.
Modifié par nightcobra8928, 13 mai 2012 - 07:38 .
Both of those theories has substantial material to support them. Scientific material. Gravity can - by the way - be directly proven by letting an apple slip from your hand. That is a direct proof of gravity. You have no such things with IT. It is make-believe.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
It is false by the fact it has no been proven. Something is either true or false. There is no middle ground in that. If it is suddenly proven to be true via the EC it is true. Until that it will always be false. That is just how things work. I'll freely admit I hope IT will be proven true, but until then it remains what it is - pure imagination, utter denial.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I have imagination, I can see IT for what it could be. However I also have the common sense to know what it really is: A product of people's denial. Surely the ending could not be that bad, surely. Surely it was all just a dream.ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be......................rather than, such a shame to have NO imagination
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You say that common sense dictates that the IT is wishful thinking and a product born of denial.
I say that common sense dictates that a theory is still viable until it has either been confirmed or disproven.
Has it been confirmed or disproven? NO.
Will it be when the EC is out? YES.
Will all the ****ing on both sides finally stop? NO.
Is this discussion uttery pointless, as no one will prevail? YES.
That makes no sense.
Has gravity been proven? No, so will it therefor be false?
Has evolution been proven? No, but that doesn't make it false.
That is the very definition of a theory. A theory is never 100% true, otherwise it would be fact.
A theory is the ultimate definition of a middle ground!
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Seboist wrote...
IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.
OH sure, the entire 3rd installment is bad..........................uh huh
Yup, everything was bad, like Tuchanka, or even worse still, Rannoch!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Rannoch was terrible, Tuchanka was the only good part of the entire story.
The awkward moment when somebody thinks a super retarded boss battle with a nobody reaper is good, and the entire quarian versus Geth storyline totally wasnt a joke, and then has to post a picture instead of using intelligent words because they can't back up their claims.
That awkward moment when you realize that someone disagrees with you. That awkward moment when someone realizes that maybe ones own opinion not necessarily is true, and that maybe oneself can't deal with other people having different opinions on what is good or not. That awkward moment when one maybe should think about one's stance on the interpretations of the same thing by different people.
Except it's not really an opinion as much as bad writing...The entire idea that the quarians would attack the Geth knowing they are going to lose during a proven Reaper invasion is idiotic. Not seeing that jst makes you blinded by fanboyism or ignorance, either way not a battle you want to be on the side of.
jules_vern18 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
Not all of us believe in black-and-white thinking like this. You should put down your brush because it's foolish to paint everyone who believes I.T. is plausible with the same brush of a cult member, religious zealot, or conspiracy nut. By attacking the people posing the hypothesis rather than the hypothesis itself, you use ad hominem and automatically lose all credibility as someone with the intelligence to analyze both ends of the spectrum of debate..
What I'm commenting on is the IT theorists who hijack threads, shove their opinion in everyone's face, and refuse to accept that their opinion could possibly be wrong.
I'm sorry if it looks like black & white thinking, but I have been on these forums quite a bit and have almost never seen an IT theorist who doesn't fit that description.
Step 1: A thread is started discussing a single one of the many plot-holes in ME3.
Step 2: IT cultist spam posts:
"Everything is explained here:"
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
Step 3: Someone inevitably challenges the logic of the IT cultist.
Step 4: IT cultist posts incessantly in defense of his "logic" until the wee hours of the night, ultimately hijacking the thread.
Step 5: The thread is now about IT.
Modifié par kaskouka, 13 mai 2012 - 07:41 .
Sisterofshane wrote...
@ jules_vern18 - does it occur to you that you were doing the very same thing you abhor last night in the thread for understanding the fundamentals of IT?
jules_vern18 wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
So if somebody doesn't accept a stupid idea, it's because they are lacking in imagination?
I have plenty of imagination. I write, I was an art major once, hell - I even played D&D for a while. It's not a matter of imagination or close-mindedness - I read the original IT thread when it first came out with an open mind. Then I realized it was nothing more than the ramblings of a desperate conspiracy theorist. It reminded me right away of the 9/11 truthers - nothing can disprove the theory, everything can be construed as further proof of it.
It's not about imagination. People don't hold on to their imaginings fanatically and obsessively...
...unless they're crazy.
Aaleel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Yes, I know that, but there are two comics set before arrival that say that Shepard did in fact blow up the alpha relay, whether you did it ingame or not.
So external material overrides what actually happened in the game now? Wow. Also if they were set before Arrival occured how can they prove Arrival even occured, let alone that Shepard did it.
Or did you mean before ME3.
The comics and books (except for Deception, I'm told) are considered canon.
It specifically says in the game you weren't there, and tells you how the Alpha relay was destroyed. When you flat out ask Anderson so why did you ground me and take away my ship. If you did Arrival, he says 300,000 Batarians are dead, and if you didn't he makes no mention of Batarians.
The writer's make a distinction in the game, so obviously the comics & books (Which already have an exception it seems) are not canon.
sorentoft wrote...
Both of those theories has substantial material to support them. Scientific material. Gravity can - by the way - be directly proven by letting an apple slip from your hand. That is a direct proof of gravity. You have no such things with IT. It is make-believe.
estebanus wrote...
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Sdrol117 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Seboist wrote...
IT is freaking hilarious. It's fun watching these fanboys with their loose grip on reality desperately try to avoid simple fact that Bioware are crap writers who wrote a crap story.
OH sure, the entire 3rd installment is bad..........................uh huh
Yup, everything was bad, like Tuchanka, or even worse still, Rannoch!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Rannoch was terrible, Tuchanka was the only good part of the entire story.
The awkward moment when somebody thinks a super retarded boss battle with a nobody reaper is good, and the entire quarian versus Geth storyline totally wasnt a joke, and then has to post a picture instead of using intelligent words because they can't back up their claims.
That awkward moment when you realize that someone disagrees with you. That awkward moment when someone realizes that maybe ones own opinion not necessarily is true, and that maybe oneself can't deal with other people having different opinions on what is good or not. That awkward moment when one maybe should think about one's stance on the interpretations of the same thing by different people.
Except it's not really an opinion as much as bad writing...The entire idea that the quarians would attack the Geth knowing they are going to lose during a proven Reaper invasion is idiotic. Not seeing that jst makes you blinded by fanboyism or ignorance, either way not a battle you want to be on the side of.
And ultimately, it culminates in to one person saying it's bad writing. Yup, no argument here, just bad writing!
Wow, I might as well just say that the universe is a result of bad writing. That doesn't make it true.
I do have to wonder who is the more fanatical, certainly IT proponants do attempt to discuss the topic(albiet convoluted at times) while those against IT spend most of their time name calling(cult) and pretty much attempt to derail threadsjules_vern18 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
And another one who compares the IT with cults. Seriously, how may more of these people exist?
You're right - "fanatics" would have been a more accurate and appropriate semantic choice.
jules_vern18 wrote...
Sisterofshane wrote...
@ jules_vern18 - does it occur to you that you were doing the very same thing you abhor last night in the thread for understanding the fundamentals of IT?
Oh absolutely - and I was expecting that comment.
I was posting late because I have been frustrated by the constant thread hijacking and IT spamming on the forums. I didn't spam, I didn't hijack - but yes, I did post frequently and for a long time.
Why what I'm addressing here is different: Where I participated in a thread that was already about IT, IT theorists try to make every non-related thread about IT. You don't see anti-IT folks spamming the forums constantly with sameposts and circling newcomers like vultures to recruit them to their cause.
sorentoft wrote...
Both of those theories has substantial material to support them. Scientific material. Gravity can - by the way - be directly proven by letting an apple slip from your hand. That is a direct proof of gravity. You have no such things with IT. It is make-believe.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
It is false by the fact it has no been proven. Something is either true or false. There is no middle ground in that. If it is suddenly proven to be true via the EC it is true. Until that it will always be false. That is just how things work. I'll freely admit I hope IT will be proven true, but until then it remains what it is - pure imagination, utter denial.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I have imagination, I can see IT for what it could be. However I also have the common sense to know what it really is: A product of people's denial. Surely the ending could not be that bad, surely. Surely it was all just a dream.ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
You say that common sense dictates that the IT is wishful thinking and a product born of denial.
I say that common sense dictates that a theory is still viable until it has either been confirmed or disproven.
Has it been confirmed or disproven? NO.
Will it be when the EC is out? YES.
Will all the ****ing on both sides finally stop? NO.
Is this discussion uttery pointless, as no one will prevail? YES.
That makes no sense.
Has gravity been proven? No, so will it therefor be false?
Has evolution been proven? No, but that doesn't make it false.
That is the very definition of a theory. A theory is never 100% true, otherwise it would be fact.
A theory is the ultimate definition of a middle ground!
Well it is. Does not change that evolution has substantial scientific material that makes it a viable theory. I like the idea of evolution but that's all it is - but at least it takes basis in science compared to a lot of other nonsense.nightcobra8928 wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Both of those theories has substantial material to support them. Scientific material. Gravity can - by the way - be directly proven by letting an apple slip from your hand. That is a direct proof of gravity. You have no such things with IT. It is make-believe.
that reminds me of an old book i once read where the opponent in a discussion on whether the theory of evolution was true by using the same arguement you did.
"Gravity can be directly proven by letting an apple slip from your hand. That is a direct proof of gravity. You have no such things with evolution. It is make-believe."
jules_vern18 wrote...
Oh absolutely - and I was expecting that comment.
I was posting late because I have been frustrated by the constant thread hijacking and IT spamming on the forums. I didn't spam, I didn't hijack - but yes, I did post frequently and for a long time.
Why what I'm addressing here is different: Where I participated in a thread that was already about IT, IT theorists try to make every non-related thread about IT. You don't see anti-IT folks spamming the forums constantly with sameposts and circling newcomers like vultures to recruit them to their cause.
Sdrol117 wrote...
The hell are you talking about? Even if the IT is true (which it isn't, lol) it is still a victim of horrendous writing.
balance5050 wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Yes, I know that, but there are two comics set before arrival that say that Shepard did in fact blow up the alpha relay, whether you did it ingame or not.
So external material overrides what actually happened in the game now? Wow. Also if they were set before Arrival occured how can they prove Arrival even occured, let alone that Shepard did it.
Or did you mean before ME3.
The comics and books (except for Deception, I'm told) are considered canon.
It specifically says in the game you weren't there, and tells you how the Alpha relay was destroyed. When you flat out ask Anderson so why did you ground me and take away my ship. If you did Arrival, he says 300,000 Batarians are dead, and if you didn't he makes no mention of Batarians.
The writer's make a distinction in the game, so obviously the comics & books (Which already have an exception it seems) are not canon.
Comics and books aren't canon? So TIM and Seren were never in the first contact wars, TIM wasn't affected by a reaper artifact when he tried to pull his friend Ben away from it?
Mac Walters says otherwise... you know, the lead writer, of the games and the comics.
Modifié par Aaleel, 13 mai 2012 - 07:47 .
jules_vern18 wrote...
Sisterofshane wrote...
@ jules_vern18 - does it occur to you that you were doing the very same thing you abhor last night in the thread for understanding the fundamentals of IT?
Oh absolutely - and I was expecting that comment.
I was posting late because I have been frustrated by the constant thread hijacking and IT spamming on the forums. I didn't spam, I didn't hijack - but yes, I did post frequently and for a long time.
Why what I'm addressing here is different: Where I participated in a thread that was already about IT, IT theorists try to make every non-related thread about IT. You don't see anti-IT folks spamming the forums constantly with sameposts and circling newcomers like vultures to recruit them to their cause.
BatmanTurian wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
ohupthis wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
DJBare wrote...
"Anyone else sick of IT? "
No, because if IT turns out to be true, I'm going to take pleasure in knowing we were all headf*cked.
Bioware sells uncomplete game and fans rejoice.
How sad.
As opposed to the Pro-enders, rejoicing over an unfinished game now?
Yeah get real.
Are you suggesting that I am satisfied with the current ending?
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
Not all of us believe in black-and-white thinking like this. You should put down your brush because it's foolish to paint everyone who believes I.T. is plausible with the same brush of a cult member, religious zealot, or conspiracy nut. By attacking the people posing the hypothesis rather than the hypothesis itself, you use ad hominem and automatically lose all credibility as someone with the intelligence to analyze both ends of the spectrum of debate..
What I'm commenting on is the IT theorists who hijack threads, shove their opinion in everyone's face, and refuse to accept that their opinion could possibly be wrong.
I'm sorry if it looks like black & white thinking, but I have been on these forums quite a bit and have almost never seen an IT theorist who doesn't fit that description.
Step 1: A thread is started discussing a single one of the many plot-holes in ME3.
Step 2: IT cultist spam posts:
"Everything is explained here:"
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
youtubelink
Step 3: Someone inevitably challenges the logic of the IT cultist.
Step 4: IT cultist posts incessantly in defense of his "logic" until the wee hours of the night, ultimately hijacking the thread.
Step 5: The thread is now about IT.
Well, I'm trying to debate you civilly about the subject and cannot be blamed for, nor can I control, the actions of those who hold similar views to mine. You would do well to treat others on a case-by-case basis as I am trying to do with you.
nightcobra8928 wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Oh absolutely - and I was expecting that comment.
I was posting late because I have been frustrated by the constant thread hijacking and IT spamming on the forums. I didn't spam, I didn't hijack - but yes, I did post frequently and for a long time.
Why what I'm addressing here is different: Where I participated in a thread that was already about IT, IT theorists try to make every non-related thread about IT. You don't see anti-IT folks spamming the forums constantly with sameposts and circling newcomers like vultures to recruit them to their cause.
not to harp on it or anything but in my ecperience it's been the opposite, with anti-IT people running amok spouting rude remarks to people who believe in the theory, if not only some of the valid points that IT makes.
so i'd say both sides have its extremists and its underhanded to claim that the animosity is one-sided.
jules_vern18 wrote...
Sorry man, the Cult of Indoctrination Theory believes that the entire world is separated into two groups: those who accept the divine truth of IT and those who love the current endings.
Those of us who think both the endings and IT are garbage do not factor into their thinking.
What I'm sick of is the people with such a narrow viewpoint that they feel the need to unleash knee-jerk venom at those who wish to do so, for reasons I cannot fathom. You'll find nothing but logical---and, yes, sometimes straw-grasping---thought-processes when you enter into the big IT theory thread, full of calm and constructive thought and a cogent appreciation for the lore. That is, until someone barrels in, vomits up their negative feelings on the idea, and states that they can't wait for the EC to come out so it will silence the theorists (and I've even read a comment or two associating them with a cult, and about committing suicide).
Yes, but honestly the day I take a religious zealot seriously is the day I forsake my humanity. Also please try to study logic, I am too tired to try and educate you myself.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Both of those theories has substantial material to support them. Scientific material. Gravity can - by the way - be directly proven by letting an apple slip from your hand. That is a direct proof of gravity. You have no such things with IT. It is make-believe.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
It is false by the fact it has no been proven. Something is either true or false. There is no middle ground in that. If it is suddenly proven to be true via the EC it is true. Until that it will always be false. That is just how things work. I'll freely admit I hope IT will be proven true, but until then it remains what it is - pure imagination, utter denial.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I have imagination, I can see IT for what it could be. However I also have the common sense to know what it really is: A product of people's denial. Surely the ending could not be that bad, surely. Surely it was all just a dream.ohupthis wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
Yeah all those IT folk crack me up.estebanus wrote...
sorentoft wrote...
I find it funny that so many people are willing to believe that nonsense.
I find it funny that so many people are close-minded.
Funny, we are the ones with enough imagination, to see this theory for what it could be
You say that common sense dictates that the IT is wishful thinking and a product born of denial.
I say that common sense dictates that a theory is still viable until it has either been confirmed or disproven.
Has it been confirmed or disproven? NO.
Will it be when the EC is out? YES.
Will all the ****ing on both sides finally stop? NO.
Is this discussion uttery pointless, as no one will prevail? YES.
That makes no sense.
Has gravity been proven? No, so will it therefor be false?
Has evolution been proven? No, but that doesn't make it false.
That is the very definition of a theory. A theory is never 100% true, otherwise it would be fact.
A theory is the ultimate definition of a middle ground!
You don't get it. Both of them are theories. Gravity is still a theory, as there exists another side that says that that doesn't prove anything. The most known argument would have to be "God did it!" That doesn't make it true that god did it.
Also, we can't get any scientific evidence for the IT, because it is not science. It is a theory for a game. So we get out evidence from the game, because there is no real scientific evidence that can support it, because that is a totally different area alltogether.
You say that both evolution and gravity has substancial evidence of its truth. Well, so does the IT. You may not see it as evidence. A religious fanatic may not see the evidence for evolution as evidence. They would see the evidence as make-believe.
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