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[th3warr1or]

Killing him seems like the 'correct' thing to do because Wynne and Alistair both seem apprehensive of letting him spread the word, and Morrigan is extremely sarcastic in that aspect.

[Vicious]

Depends what you mean by 'Correct.' It just depends on what kind of character you are.



Sparing him is the paladin decision. Genitivi is an oddball but he is quite sincere in his desire to share the ashes with the world, and a lot of people get healed because of it.



Killing him keeps the ashes a secret except to you and yours obviously. You just have to live with being kind of a dick.

[Original182]

But murder is never a correct thing! My goodness, you sure what you're asking?

[Nobody Important]

I only let him live if I spare the dragon. The urn needs to be protected so not all the ashes are taken.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Odd thing is, it doesn't seem to matter too much, because on a playthrough where I killed him, I still got the epilogue screen where the chantry admits to the ashes being real and somehow able to allow people to make pilgrimages to it. Though I am wondering if this is because I did the other quest where I handed some ancient texts over to the sister at the chantry in denerim? (even though I never told her where the temple was)

As others have said though, it really depends on the character am playing.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 09 décembre 2009 - 11:06 .

[Fryce]

Kill every time just to see that perfect headshot if you brought him along to the temple.

[GmanFresh]

do what YOU want.. YOUR THE LEADER. there are no right or wrong answers

[Original182]

There's no right or wrong? Killing an innocent man is now acceptable?? Dude you're kidding!

There may be shades of grey in the game, but not everything is just a matter of opinion.

Modifié par Original182, 09 décembre 2009 - 11:37 .

[Apophis2412]

It's a dustbin that has been exposed to Lyrium for several hundred years and is now some sort of very potent health poultice.

The people can have it if they wish.

[Galad22]

Apophis2412 wrote...

It's a dustbin that has been exposed to Lyrium for several hundred years and is now some sort of very potent health poultice.

The people can have it if they wish.

Yeah I agree, just but another dustbin with ashes there and give five hundred years or so and it is just as potent health poultice.

Limitless miracle ashes!

[menasure]

Original182 wrote...

There's no right or wrong? Killing an innocent man is now acceptable?? Dude you're kidding!

There may be shades of grey in the game, but not everything is just a matter of opinion.

unless you play a character who thinks that way games allow you so much freedom ... if you allow yourself the virtual freedom to make such decisions

but if the question of the OP can be translated as: are there serious consequences attached? nope, at least no serious ones for the game mechanics.

Modifié par menasure, 09 décembre 2009 - 11:59 .

[Adria Teksuni]

I haven't found any other consequences in the game, but I haven't played one where I haven't killed him AND hardened Leiliana, so her ending dialogue might be different. Oh, and he's kinda' not home when you go to Denerim. Serious consequences? Depends on how much you like Leiliana.



Depends on what kind of character I'm playing.

True Believers might view him as a dangerous zealot or fanatic who refuses to take the overall good of the Chantry into consideration and kill him, or might share his views.

Respectfully Religious will probably let him live, what do they know about such things? Very definitely not willing to kill over them.

Morally Ambiguous is generally how I'm feeling at the time. If I'm in a bad mood, he dies.

Out for Number One characters will kill him. If these things work, I am SO not sharing, Wynne and Leiliana be damned.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

From what I gather if you let him leave but don't kill the high dragon it leaves it open for the 'pilgrims' to be munchies for the dragon. Anyone confirm this?



I've always killed the dragon no matter what, even the time when I did kill him (even though I had already tainted the ashes) I killed it namely because Oghren wanted to and my Dwarf Commoner thought it a good idea too.



On my current playthrough, my dalish elf has a thing for dragons, so she she is going to well and truly side with Kolgrim and Genetivi will end up dead. Whilst the thought of having an endless supply of snacks for the High Dragon to eat, is tempting, can't be doing with the chantry knowing it truly exists, which is why I also won't be handing them ancient texts over to the chantry sister in denerim this time either.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Original182 wrote...

There's no right or wrong? Killing an innocent man is now acceptable?? Dude you're kidding!

There may be shades of grey in the game, but not everything is just a matter of opinion.

Are you suggesting we should roleplay our characters based on our real life moral guidelines? Doesn't that partially defeat the point of roleplaying?

[Mnemnosyne]

Yeah, killing him seems like the right thing to do in general. Leaving him alive gives the Chantry a powerful tool to get more people to believe, something they can call factual evidence of their beliefs. Plus even if you agree with the Chantry, Alistair's got the most effective point there. "Ooh, I hope that urn is self-replenishing."

Besides, after obliterating the cult and killing everyone in Haven, there's no one out there actively trying to conceal its location anymore. If someone else wants to put in the work and find it themselves, they deserve the benefit, but everyone else has hardly earned it.

[Galad22]

Koyasha wrote...

Yeah, killing him seems like the right thing to do in general. Leaving him alive gives the Chantry a powerful tool to get more people to believe, something they can call factual evidence of their beliefs. Plus even if you agree with the Chantry, Alistair's got the most effective point there. "Ooh, I hope that urn is self-replenishing."
Besides, after obliterating the cult and killing everyone in Haven, there's no one out there actively trying to conceal its location anymore. If someone else wants to put in the work and find it themselves, they deserve the benefit, but everyone else has hardly earned it.

There is still the gauntlet you know! So they can hardly just walk over there and snatch some ashes.

[Adria Teksuni]

Well...as far as another tool to get the people to believe...the Ashes do, in fact, work. Besides, the church is corrupt enough to concoct either a good placebo effect or hide them just as effectively.

Not that I'm cynical or anything.

[roybm]

Original182 wrote...

There's no right or wrong? Killing an innocent man is now acceptable?? Dude you're kidding!

There may be shades of grey in the game, but not everything is just a matter of opinion.

lol i read this and thought to myself... does this person not realize the game is fake and a made up story that is not true? hmmm i do wonder this about many players though.
Hopefully they know the difference between fiction and nonfiction

For me... i killed him, also killed the kid to take care of the demon as well.  Guess i am going to jail now for child murder

[Adria Teksuni]

BARSTID! BURN IN THE BLACK CITY!

[Original182]

roybm wrote...
lol i read this and thought to myself... does this person not realize the game is fake and a made up story that is not true? hmmm i do wonder this about many players though.
Hopefully they know the difference between fiction and nonfiction

If the game is fake and whatever you do doesn't matter, the OP wouldn't bother asking his question now would he?
Yeah, I thought as much.

[Original182]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Are you suggesting we should roleplay our characters based on our real life moral guidelines? Doesn't that partially defeat the point of roleplaying?

Yes, because the morals of Ferelden is loosely based on real life. People can roleplay based on real-life morality too.
I was giving my opinion of why it is "not correct" to kill Genetivi. It's a valid one, like yours.

[Rhys Cordelle]

You were giving your opinion that it's "not just a matter of opinion". Got it.

[kevinwastaken]

Kill that baldheaded bastard! He's such an idiot. Besides, do you really want to pass up the opportunity to use the murder knife?

[Viglin]

Original182 wrote...

But murder is never a correct thing! My goodness, you sure what you're asking?

Grey Wardens have to make tough choices, sometimes to keep great secrets...just ask Ser Jory next time you seem at the Warden Drinkfest.........oh right

[Original182]

Viglin wrote...

Original182 wrote...

But murder is never a correct thing! My goodness, you sure what you're asking?

Grey Wardens have to make tough choices, sometimes to keep great secrets...just ask Ser Jory next time you seem at the Warden Drinkfest.........oh right

Yes that's true, but after you become a Grey Warden, there is a conversation option that says "I can't believe you killed Ser Jory!". So from a roleplay point of view, the game allows you to be a Grey Warden who is against murder.
And the secret of the ashes has no consequences to the Grey Warden's existence, compared to the secret of the Joining.
So it works either way.