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[fdgarcia]

Demeira wrote...

I chose to kill him because the Ashes need to remain sacred and not become a tourist attraction. Granted, they have enormous healing power, but are all people worthy of being healed? Would you allow a slaver to be healed? A Thief? A child killer?

There is absolutely no guarantee that that would happen.  Logically speaking, it's more likely that the Chantry would strictly control access.  Even were it to become an attraction of sorts, it also seems more logical that it would be more of a Mecca.  Almost no one would be able to access the urn itself, any more than I can go snuggle up with the Shroud of Turin.  Instead, it would be a new center of worship for the faithful.  Perhaps they could catch a glimpse.  But do we really think it would become available for all?  There really isn't enough of Andraste to go around, for that scenario.  It would dry up.  Genitivi made the discovery (sort of), but that doesn't mean he would control its public use.

[Nosuchluck]

Demeira wrote...

I chose to kill him because the Ashes need to remain sacred and not become a tourist attraction. Granted, they have enormous healing power, but are all people worthy of being healed? Would you allow a slaver to be healed? A Thief? A child killer?

Omg, Think about it! If you stop the Blight the next Hitler might be born because of it. Can you take that RISK?!? Quick allow the Archdemon to kill everyone, it's the only solution! 

[TheLadyJess]

It seems my logic has upset some...for that I am sorry.

[barrel_LOL]

Have Zevran give him a back massage.

[fdgarcia]

It's not upsetting - apparently you're hardly alone.

[Creature 1]

Demeira wrote...

I chose to kill him because the Ashes need to remain sacred and not become a tourist attraction. Granted, they have enormous healing power, but are all people worthy of being healed? Would you allow a slaver to be healed? A Thief? A child killer?

What makes your character so special?  Why is it that you get to desecrate the ashes but others are not allowed to?  Isn't it hypocritical to claim to be desecrating the ashes to save a man's life, but then murder another innocent man to prevent others from doing the same thing?  If you say you are doing it to save Ferelden so that makes it ok, why is it no ok for the people of Ferelden to use the ashes to save just as many people?  Why do you get to determine who gets to be healed?  In short, who died and made you Maker? 

That at least was my character's opinion, and in this case I agree with her.  The ashes do no one any good just sitting in the decaying temple.  Andraste does not benefit--she is not there.  Her followers, whom she supposedly would like to continue to help, do not benefit.  It would be better to use the ashes to help humanity (elfanity, dwarfanity?).  As for who gets to use them, well, I'd say anyone who makes it past the guardians is just as deserving of them as you are.  If they manage to get through, they're welcome to a pinch. 

[TypoPanther]

I find it interesting how much the posters on this topic seem to be against the possibility of universal truth. Not that this is necessarily the place for that discussion, but that definitely seemed to set the tone for most of the answers. (Although, I would say it is no more possible to disprove universal absolutes than it appears to be to prove them)



It's fair to argue that DA:O is presented in a way that there is not a "right way" to do anything, which I think is fair in the way it does mirror that in our experience of life, there are different ways to approach issues, and they present different consequences.



I'm not sure that should necessarily be the end all.



To be a bit more on topic, I didn't know you could kill him either. Of course, I just figured out that you could send him home instead of taking him to the temple. I'm curious if you do that, if there is a way to lie about the urn actually being there. That could solve the issue of not spreading the view of the Chantry that so many people seem to be opposed to without needing to kill him. Anybody try that route?

[Creature 1]

TypoPanther wrote...

I find it interesting how much the posters on this topic seem to be against the possibility of universal truth. Not that this is necessarily the place for that discussion, but that definitely seemed to set the tone for most of the answers. (Although, I would say it is no more possible to disprove universal absolutes than it appears to be to prove them)

I believe there are universal semi-truths.    It is universally semi-true that you should not kill others.  Then we can talk about the five guys on the train tracks with a train headed at them, and you could shunt it to another track, but then it would run over this other guy, so what do you do?!

[Axterix]

My first character chose to leave him be because it wasn't her decision as a warden to make, even though she felt that the ashes should have remained secret. Primarily feeling this way because she wouldn't want people to look to the ashes as an easy way out. So she tried to discourage him, but would not murder him to keep the secret.

[fdgarcia]

TypoPanther wrote...

I find it interesting how much the posters on this topic seem to be against the possibility of universal truth. Not that this is necessarily the place for that discussion, but that definitely seemed to set the tone for most of the answers. (Although, I would say it is no more possible to disprove universal absolutes than it appears to be to prove them)

Yeah, who knew moral relativism was making a comeback?

[wolfpaq777]

interesting. On my first play-through i just forced him to leave because i didn't want to worry about having a cripple with me... after i cleared the place I never even thought to head back to denerim for the followup chat.

[Cazlee]

I'm not sure if my game was bugged, but it was possible for me to keep
both brother Genetivi alive and the location of the Urn secret.

I
convinced him that the ruins were too dangerous for him to enter, took
his key and sent him back to Denerim. Although I gave the chantry
artifacts and let Brother Genetivi see the ashes, in my epilogue there
were no pilgrimages. The chantry did not deny that the location was
found, but urn became a myth again. And yes, the dragon was dead.

Modifié par Cazlee, 10 décembre 2009 - 10:09 .

[Xavier St. Cloud]

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[ladyiolanthe]

I figured that the Gauntlet will only let through those who are 'worthy' of the ashes. So... I didn't kill him. It wasn't my Warden's place to decide who should have access to them - that's the Maker's call. My Warden was sort of ambiguously religious; she did ask for Revered Mothers' blessings, but was uneasy about the Mage-Templar thing. I think the best way to describe it is that she believed in a higher power, but didn't fully trust organized religion since she felt that it is inevitably twisted by mortal agendas. Of course, as a Cousland, she also felt it wasn't her place to openly question the Chantry.

[Secretlyapotato]

I let him go and insulted him a lot since I thought it was stupid to tell people but I didn't care enough to kill him.