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[Stardusk]

Bamford38 wrote...

Obviously OP is quite upset over infilrtators taking their kills or something.

Just learn to play the game a bit better. Im sure it will happen, give it some time.

But please dont practice in gold. Weve got enough problems there this weekend,

Yeah, I been trying really hard to to get better at silver but I always wipe on wave 2...maybe I should just stick to Bronze.

[Disciple888]

Distilled Poison wrote...

"f I ever ran into that Soldier, I'd give him credit in a heartbeat."

I did, and I dedicated an entire thread here to the dude. I'll admit, they're rare to come by, but when they do, Infiltrators will try to kick them.

http://social.biowar.../index/10685243

This dude was almost solely responsible for the easiest 22 minute public Geth Gold clear ever. (No farming tactics)

In the rare cases, I find someone like that, they're soon gonna be on my friends list anyways

[Bamford38]

Stardusk wrote...

Bamford38 wrote...

Obviously OP is quite upset over infilrtators taking their kills or something.

Just learn to play the game a bit better. Im sure it will happen, give it some time.

But please dont practice in gold. Weve got enough problems there this weekend,

Yeah, I been trying really hard to to get better at silver but I always wipe on wave 2...maybe I should just stick to Bronze.

Fair play, good answer.

I cant argue with that.

[EvilDeity]

Score is stupid.

I played a game a few days ago where I scored over 200k, not because I was uber-awesome or because the game lasted any longer than usual, but because I was an Asari Justicar with area Reave and three other players continuously detonating my Reave. The next nearest person easily got over 100k less than me, not because they were bad or because I carried anyone, just because of the way we played and the scoring system's bias.

[Stardusk]

Bamford38 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Bamford38 wrote...

Obviously OP is quite upset over infilrtators taking their kills or something.

Just learn to play the game a bit better. Im sure it will happen, give it some time.

But please dont practice in gold. Weve got enough problems there this weekend,

Yeah, I been trying really hard to to get better at silver but I always wipe on wave 2...maybe I should just stick to Bronze.

You must really be new here.

Fair play, good answer.

I cant argue with that.

[Stardusk]

Bamford38 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Bamford38 wrote...

Obviously OP is quite upset over infilrtators taking their kills or something.

Just learn to play the game a bit better. Im sure it will happen, give it some time.

But please dont practice in gold. Weve got enough problems there this weekend,

Yeah, I been trying really hard to to get better at silver but I always wipe on wave 2...maybe I should just stick to Bronze.

BTW. here is my latest vid:

www.youtube.com/watch

Fair play, good answer.

I cant argue with that.

[Bamford38]

Stardusk wrote...

Bamford38 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Bamford38 wrote...

Obviously OP is quite upset over infilrtators taking their kills or something.

Just learn to play the game a bit better. Im sure it will happen, give it some time.

But please dont practice in gold. Weve got enough problems there this weekend,

Yeah, I been trying really hard to to get better at silver but I always wipe on wave 2...maybe I should just stick to Bronze.

BTW. here is my latest vid:

www.youtube.com/watch

Fair play, good answer.

I cant argue with that.

Ive seen one of your vids before, thats why i liked your answer.

Made me lol

[D4rk50ul808]

The difference in my mind from scoring high due to GI damage potential, and carrying comes down to this.

Do you save your teammates when they are down? Do you always get the objectives? When you are the last man standing if everyone has no doubts you will win. Do you make sure it's a full extract?

You can knock the class but there is still a huge gap between your average GI and an elite player using one. Also its not hard to score mass points with any class so that is kind of an invalid argument.

[Immortal Strife]

My point is that the GI is a superstar. Superstars carry teams by the definition of doing the most damage, reviving, and completing the objectives. They are just like superstars who carry in the NBA. The infiltrator is suppost to carry the team. I agree with Stardusk that infiltrators should not have an ego about their awsome score, but it is carrying.  As far as aggro, good infiltrators are only in cloak for seconds to get cloak damage bonuses, not 85% of the game. BTW other superstar classes post similar scores to the infiltrator classes, probabily not as high but close. AA, HS, HV, & AV, all should post high scores.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 13 mai 2012 - 03:38 .

[Distilled Poison]

"its not hard to score mass points with any class"

Yup, that's why I'm always seeing Krogan Sentinels and Quarian Engineers at the top of Gold scoreboards.

Oh, wait...

[D4rk50ul808]

Distilled Poison wrote..."its not hard to score mass points with any class"Yup, that's why I'm always seeing Krogan Sentinels and Quarian Engineers at the top of Gold scoreboards.Oh, wait...

Some players aren't good but its not the GI that's putting then at the top, its usually the GPS or Graal.





Is this some new way to be elitist among the elite? People I know who are good at the game can walk in with a level 1 and carry teams. Its more about the weapon and knowledge of the game than the class they take. BTW QE is only underpowered if you turtle in a corner with a turret. Ditch that thing and focus on cryo explosions and you are an in your face killing machine. Most KS are bad because they are under the impressions that CD is not important, incinerate can up your killing potential a lot.

[N Malboeuf]

may not be carring, it could be kill stealling, its all in the timing, throw in a Batarian wave and a biotic blast every 2 seconds and the INFs becomes useless if he has a SR, the game becomes a batman TV show

(bANG) [ThUD] {KaPOw}

[Distilled Poison]

"but it is carr[y]ing"

No, carrying is when you are solely responsible for the win, when your team mates actions are irrelevant. It's winning IN SPITE OF your team.

Continuing your basketball metaphor, Kobe would have had to win without his team mates passing him the ball, moving it around the court, etc, and in spite of them giving the ball to the other team.

Just because you don't give your team the chance to shine doesn't mean you carried them.

[Rick__D]

Hey there are aggressive players and defensive players. Ill sit behind cover and fling out BEs from safety. If you want to snipe bad guys after I strip their shields, knock yourself out. If you want to run at the enemy to get the kills first go ahead. I will even revive you when you get killed, running across the map if I think I can do it safely. Ill sit on the flank and make sure no one comes from behind. Congratulations on your high score. I will collect my 70k and be on my way

[thegamefreek78648]

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

Some players aren't good but its not the GI that's putting then at the top, its usually the GPS or Graal.

<_<

While some people are good with some weapons neither one of those shotguns come with a WIN button strapped to the trigger.  If you are good it matters little what weapon you are using and if you arent good it wouldnt matter unless you had unlimited ammo for the missile launcher.

[N Malboeuf]

Rick__D wrote...

Hey there are aggressive players and defensive players. Ill sit behind cover and fling out BEs from safety. If you want to snipe bad guys after I strip their shields, knock yourself out. If you want to run at the enemy to get the kills first go ahead. I will even revive you when you get killed, running across the map if I think I can do it safely. Ill sit on the flank and make sure no one comes from behind. Congratulations on your high score. I will collect my 70k and be on my way

actually watching the rambos backs is actually fun way to change up the maps, My adept is perfect for that, once you know the spawn locations based on where every on is you can even rack up more points then rambo, but at that point we become rambo behind the lines

[REVIVE ME]

Should remove the score screens, kind of sick of the competition it brings to the co-op.

[Rick__D]

N Malboeuf wrote...

Rick__D wrote...

Hey there are aggressive players and defensive players. Ill sit behind cover and fling out BEs from safety. If you want to snipe bad guys after I strip their shields, knock yourself out. If you want to run at the enemy to get the kills first go ahead. I will even revive you when you get killed, running across the map if I think I can do it safely. Ill sit on the flank and make sure no one comes from behind. Congratulations on your high score. I will collect my 70k and be on my way

actually watching the rambos backs is actually fun way to change up the maps, My adept is perfect for that, once you know the spawn locations based on where every on is you can even rack up more points then rambo, but at that point we become rambo behind the lines

I know there are spots all sit on everymap because I know it will stop spawn while putting me in position to cut off a mob heading to surround the other 3 guys.I may have to sit for a bit with noone to kill but the game all of a sudden gets  10 times easier.

[D4rk50ul808]

Well I play GI with the build in my sig. I can say a few things that contradict statements made.

#1. I generally have ALL the aggo so nobody is taking hits for me.

#2. I okay aggressive with ALL my classes because its fun and I can. The only people who ever complain are ones who play slow and care about the scoreboard. IMO if the wave is over in 1 minute I could care less how it happens.

#3 I never see people claiming they carry teams on here with GI. I do see people extremely upset at how effective some players can be with them.

Also it is the weapon and skill at aiming combined with game knowledge that makes someone OP, not a specific class. If you are referring to guys who can only contribute by playing for high score on a high damage class then ignore the morons.

Its one thing to like the oddball builds and classes, but why hate on the really powerful ones?

True a good player can use any weapon to great effect, but if you were smart you wouldn't intentionally gimp yourself.

Biotics are the easy mode of the game yet infiltrators get all the hate?

[Dorje Sylas]

This is why I like full video over screen shots. When you have a full run unedited vid it becomes clearly quickly who's being the braggart and who's actually pulling the team along.

Unfortunately I have to say I'm not so good a carrying gold. I just don't have the nack to push a lower quality team past wave 8. I need at least one other fairly heads up player who knows various map tricks (like where to squat to force spawn points). What is it with PuG people on Giant loving to just stand balls out in the top crate field and not go huddle 3 left/1 right in the cannon control building?

[Achossa]

Hey Stardusk, it would appear that my post really struck a nerve with you. Take it easy mate

Why should you care if someone says they carried a team, even if they said they carried you. Who cares.

@Disciple888
You didn't carry them mate. You soloed with three human decoys.

[Guardian1985]

One of the reasons some might forget that the Infiltrator is often outdamaging otheres is.

1st of their headshot boosting damage, pluss cloak.
2nd which might surprise some, the infiltrator is cloaked so much of the time, probably something near 30-40% of the time.. ( if played correctly ) that he takes less damage, isnt targeted as much, does not need to stay in cover as much and does not stay "offline" much.
3rd The penetration of certain snipers + penetration module, allows multiple hits if enemies are lined up.

[AdmLancel]

Infiltrators OP, nerf Infiltrators.

OT, we all carry each other, just some people do a bit more carrying than others. The real goal is to be a good teammate, regardless of what happens.

[armandojaimecisneros]

meh, geth infiltrator has extremely high and extremely easy to achieve DPS thats all, carrying a team means playing all roles in a game by yourself (dps, support, objective, tank) a GI is really bad if left alone cuz they are burst damage (no crowd control), cloak doesnt even work and they have low defenses.

I am a gi main and yes 90% of those claims are false but then again so is pretty much everything posted here or on the internet for that matter, go to the gun threads, someone will always say how they solo gold with the worst class and weapon.

Modifié par armandojaimecisneros, 13 mai 2012 - 03:46 .

[Immortal Strife]

Distilled Poison wrote...

"but it is carr[y]ing"

No, carrying is when you are solely responsible for the win, when your team mates actions are irrelevant. It's winning IN SPITE OF your team.

Continuing your basketball metaphor, Kobe would have had to win without his team mates passing him the ball, moving it around the court, etc, and in spite of them giving the ball to the other team.

Just because you don't give your team the chance to shine doesn't mean you carried them.

Well said and thanks for the spelling correction.  I'll recant on my position. 

To Stardusk I think you're a great player and I enjoy your guides and builds. I'm currently using your KS and QE builds to perfection and loving every minute of it. But could you lay off the sniping infiltrator builds for a day or two, I know that you think they are op but many other set-ups are too.