Valentia X wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
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Are you just... ignoring everything I actually say? Seriously? I said that there is no proof that all Reaper-based tech is capable of passive indoctrination.
I am not saying that Reapers can't use their foot solders are Indoc amplifiers.
I am not saying that it doesn't exist, I even noted some cases where we know it to be fact.
So are you just blowing off what I actually say, or what?
Let's take a quick note of the reaper based tech we seen in the game.
1.Dragons teeth.
2. Implants.
3.Indoctriantion devices.
4. The reapers them selves or reaperparts.
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2 and 3 we know can indoctrinate becauseof the codex andstory.
4 We know indoctriante based on the dead reaper and the hanar diplomate.
Only1,dragons teeth is question....But every dragon teeth we see has husk on it....Regardlessif the dragons teeth can indoctriante you or not...The husk still can.
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Do you understand now?
1. Dragon's Teeth do not show any signs of passively indoctrinating
2. Implants do not show signs of indepentantly passively indoctrinating. They may help amplify the Reaper signal more but there is nothing to show that the implants, such as they are, passively indoctrinate (in the sense that, say, the derelict Reaper does- there is no evidence that their mere existence creates indoc rays).
3. ....what? That's what we're talking about, I think we both know that.
4. We know that there are devices capable of indoctrinating passively. No one in the thread is arguing that.
5. We already established that Reaper ground forces can become an antenna for indoctrination, at least in the case of organics.
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Do you understand now? There is nothing in game that states that all Reaper-based tech is capable of passively indoctrinating other organics in their near vicinity. That there is Reaper-based tech that can passively indoctrinate in no way, shape, or form states or points to the idea that all Reaper-based tech does passively indoctrinate others in the area.
You cannot prove that it does, either, because we run into Reaper-based tech, or spin-offs (as the Collector ship may be considered) that do not show signs of passive enviornemental indoctrination. You can show what proof of devices that can; they are not undeniable proof that all can.
1.Didy ou even read what I said? My pointasto list reaper tech in the game.
1.Dragons teeth.
2. Implants.
3.Indoctriantion devices.
4. The reapers them selves or reaperparts.
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These areall reaper tech. Stop jumping to concusions.
2.Implants do show sign of passive indoctriantion.It's stated in the cerberus base and in ME:RETRIBUTION
His best guess was that a week had passed. Maybe two. Probably not three. The passage of time wasimpossible to track in the cell. There was nothing to do but eat and sleep. But when he slept he haddreams—nightmares he could never quite recall on waking, but that left him shivering nonetheless.He still had had no contact with anyone from Cerberus. But he couldn’t really say he was aloneanymore.They were inside his head, speaking to him in whispers too faint to understand. These weren’t like thecritical, sarcastic voice he used to hear in his thoughts. That voice was gone. The others had silenced itforever.He tried to ignore them, but it was impossible to block out their constant, insidious murmur. There wassomething simultaneously repulsive yet seductive about them. Their presence in his mind was both aviolation and an invitation: the Reapers calling to him across the great void of space.Somehow he knew that if he concentrated on them, he would be able to understand what they said.But he didn’t want to understand. He was trying very hard not to understand because he knewunderstanding the voices was the beginning of the end.With each passing hour Grayson could feel the whispers growing stronger. More insistent. Yet eventhough Cerberus had implanted him with this horrific alien technology, his will was still his own. For now,he was still able to resist them. And he intended to hold them at bay for as long as was humanly possible.“I thought you said the transformation would only take a week,” the Illusive Man said to Dr. Nuri.They were staring down at Grayson through the one-way window in the ceiling of his cell. Kai Lengwas lurking in the shadows over by the wall, standing so still he almost seemed to disappear in thedarkness.
(Page 55). The fact that implatation can be resisted for a week makes it clear it an influence.
Also, you missed the dead reaper and the indocrination deviceon Arrival.
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