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[dreman9999]

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

There alrady sending infotothe huskwith qec....What else would it mean?

[Raiil]

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I mentioned that Reaper ships can passively indoctrinate. I even used it to illustrate that there are some that can. And yes, Object Rho does indoctrinate. I'm well aware. Again, that it is not proof that all Reaper-based tech can passively indoctrinate organics in their near vicinity. You seem to missing the point that I'm making, because I'm not denying that it can it does happen. I'm simply saying there's no proof that everthing based off of Reaper tech will invariably passively indoctrinate. You also have no definitve proof that they do; in fact, the Dragon's Teeth may be the biggest argument on hand to say that they don't, since the organic body has to be put onto the teeth for the huskification to begin.


The reason why Object Rho is not added to the definitive list is because not every Shepard does that mission. My canon Shepard didn't. 

But there's till is everything else...
Let's try tomake this clear...List all the types of reaper tech in ME.....

Dragon's Teeth? No signs of passive indoctrination waves.
Husks and other organic footsoldiers? They gain the ability to amplify signals, but nothing to suggest that it's automatic.
Reaper Ships? The big ones appear to do so continously.
Object Rho? Indoctrinates.
The Collector Ships? Signs point to no, as the colonists/Kelly don't shown signs of any sort of indoctrination.
Reaper implants? Looks like yes, but we don't know to what extent (Saren and Grayson were effected in different ways by their implants, in terms or slow versus fast burn indoc).

So we have two no's right off the bat- two diffrerent sorts of Reaper tech that do not show signs of automatic, passive, indoctrination.

[Raiil]

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

There alrady sending infotothe huskwith qec....What else would it mean?

Info to the husk with what?

[dreman9999]

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

 If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination canbe resisted...

[111987]

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You notunderstanding what I meanabout TIM...I'm not saying he is under reaper control..I'm say he is in the process of reaper indoctrination.Being in the process of does not mean the reapers can inflence or control him...Just the foundation of indoctrination is in him...That's why TIM was easilly indoctrianted in the end. sapposivly.

I disagree. He wasn't in the process of Reaper indoctrination until he implanted himself (or potentially via exposure to the salvaged Human Reaper). The nanides allow for rapid indoctrination.

He was hit with reaper tech during the first contact wars, this is where he got his distinctive eyes from, there was atleast some light reaper influence because he started Cerberus which is the Splinter group that EVERY cycle has.

The reaper indoc lead him to start Cerberus.

I know he was hit by the Reaper tech, but where is the proof of indoctrination? That he formed a splinter group? but that splinter group was created long before TIM even knew what the Reapers were. Besides the specifics of each splinter group are different. What happened in past cycles is not evidence of what occured in this cycle.

[Raiil]

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination can be present with out a reaper actually taking control, Rana Thanoptis went years before killing a bunch of Asari officials.

And how many people did Rana manage to indoctrinate before she killed the other Asari? If it's passive and constant, then everyone around her would be, to some degree, affected.

[dreman9999]

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

There alrady sending infotothe huskwith qec....What else would it mean?

Info to the husk with what?

QEC...quantum entanglement...

[Raiil]

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

 If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination canbe resisted...

By people with incredibly strong wills. Unless you want to suggest that all other living creatures have, by default, incredibly strong wills like Saren or Benezia, organics would start dropping like flies to the Reaper cause.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You notunderstanding what I meanabout TIM...I'm not saying he is under reaper control..I'm say he is in the process of reaper indoctrination.Being in the process of does not mean the reapers can inflence or control him...Just the foundation of indoctrination is in him...That's why TIM was easilly indoctrianted in the end. sapposivly.

I disagree. He wasn't in the process of Reaper indoctrination until he implanted himself (or potentially via exposure to the salvaged Human Reaper). The nanides allow for rapid indoctrination.

Read ME:EVOLUTION. TIM was hit by a partial indoctination wave in the comic...Why was he not inoctinated but have the eyes of indoctination inplanted in him?

Where was it said it was partial indoctrination? He was obviously effected by it somehow, but there's no proof that it was indoctrination.

You keep ignoring my point; TIM was never indoctrinated until ME3. Unless you prove he was indoctrinated beforehand, this discussion is over.

[balance5050]

111987 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You notunderstanding what I meanabout TIM...I'm not saying he is under reaper control..I'm say he is in the process of reaper indoctrination.Being in the process of does not mean the reapers can inflence or control him...Just the foundation of indoctrination is in him...That's why TIM was easilly indoctrianted in the end. sapposivly.

I disagree. He wasn't in the process of Reaper indoctrination until he implanted himself (or potentially via exposure to the salvaged Human Reaper). The nanides allow for rapid indoctrination.

He was hit with reaper tech during the first contact wars, this is where he got his distinctive eyes from, there was atleast some light reaper influence because he started Cerberus which is the Splinter group that EVERY cycle has.

The reaper indoc lead him to start Cerberus.

I know he was hit by the Reaper tech, but where is the proof of indoctrination? That he formed a splinter group? but that splinter group was created long before TIM even knew what the Reapers were. Besides the specifics of each splinter group are different. What happened in past cycles is not evidence of what occured in this cycle.

Are you really not makig the connection? 

but that splinter group was created long before TIM even knew what the Reapers were. 

That should be a red flag that TIM was following the same pattern that every cycle does.

Vigil.

[Raiil]

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

There alrady sending infotothe huskwith qec....What else would it mean?

Info to the husk with what?

QEC...quantum entanglement...

It means that it can. Not that it will automatically do so. Soverign had some issues with manipulating one dead turian with implants, how do you think you're going to control veritable hordes with little to no difficulty?

Makes more logistical sense to use them as cannon fodder and high-octane nightmare fuel and using them as signal amplifiers with some sort of discrimination.

[dreman9999]

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination can be present with out a reaper actually taking control, Rana Thanoptis went years before killing a bunch of Asari officials.

And how many people did Rana manage to indoctrinate before she killed the other Asari? If it's passive and constant, then everyone around her would be, to some degree, affected.

How would we know, tha tinfo is not give but seriously...
"Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years. "

And indoctrination can be resisted....



His best guess was that a week had passed. Maybe two. Probably not three. The passage of time wasimpossible to track in the cell. There was nothing to do but eat and sleep. But when he slept he haddreams—nightmares he could never quite recall on waking, but that left him shivering nonetheless.He still had had no contact with anyone from Cerberus. But he couldn’t really say he was aloneanymore.They were inside his head, speaking to him in whispers too faint to understand. These weren’t like thecritical, sarcastic voice he used to hear in his thoughts. That voice was gone. The others had silenced itforever.He tried to ignore them, but it was impossible to block out their constant, insidious murmur. There wassomething simultaneously repulsive yet seductive about them. Their presence in his mind was both aviolation and an invitation: the Reapers calling to him across the great void of space.Somehow he knew that if he concentrated on them, he would be able to understand what they said.But he didn’t want to understand. He was trying very hard not to understand because he knewunderstanding the voices was the beginning of the end.With each passing hour Grayson could feel the whispers growing stronger. More insistent. Yet eventhough Cerberus had implanted him with this horrific alien technology, his will was still his own. For now,he was still able to resist them. And he intended to hold them at bay for as long as was humanly possible.“I thought you said the transformation would only take a week,” the Illusive Man said to Dr. Nuri.They were staring down at Grayson through the one-way window in the ceiling of his cell. Kai Lengwas lurking in the shadows over by the wall, standing so still he almost seemed to disappear in thedarkness.
(Page 55). 

[balance5050]

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

 If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination canbe resisted...

By people with incredibly strong wills. Unless you want to suggest that all other living creatures have, by default, incredibly strong wills like Saren or Benezia, organics would start dropping like flies to the Reaper cause.

They do, read the codex and it says that people are actually surrendering to the reapers.

And of course husks are being made like nutz.

Modifié par balance5050, 14 mai 2012 - 07:21 .

[Raiil]

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

 If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination canbe resisted...

By people with incredibly strong wills. Unless you want to suggest that all other living creatures have, by default, incredibly strong wills like Saren or Benezia, organics would start dropping like flies to the Reaper cause.

They do, read the codex and it says that people are actually surrendering to the reapers.

And of course husks are being made like nutz.

Yes. Surrendering. Not turning actively to their will. There is a difference.

[balance5050]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You notunderstanding what I meanabout TIM...I'm not saying he is under reaper control..I'm say he is in the process of reaper indoctrination.Being in the process of does not mean the reapers can inflence or control him...Just the foundation of indoctrination is in him...That's why TIM was easilly indoctrianted in the end. sapposivly.

I disagree. He wasn't in the process of Reaper indoctrination until he implanted himself (or potentially via exposure to the salvaged Human Reaper). The nanides allow for rapid indoctrination.

Read ME:EVOLUTION. TIM was hit by a partial indoctination wave in the comic...Why was he not inoctinated but have the eyes of indoctination inplanted in him?

Where was it said it was partial indoctrination? He was obviously effected by it somehow, but there's no proof that it was indoctrination.

You keep ignoring my point; TIM was never indoctrinated until ME3. Unless you prove he was indoctrinated beforehand, this discussion is over.

Reaper influence = indoctrination

[111987]

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You notunderstanding what I meanabout TIM...I'm not saying he is under reaper control..I'm say he is in the process of reaper indoctrination.Being in the process of does not mean the reapers can inflence or control him...Just the foundation of indoctrination is in him...That's why TIM was easilly indoctrianted in the end. sapposivly.

I disagree. He wasn't in the process of Reaper indoctrination until he implanted himself (or potentially via exposure to the salvaged Human Reaper). The nanides allow for rapid indoctrination.

He was hit with reaper tech during the first contact wars, this is where he got his distinctive eyes from, there was atleast some light reaper influence because he started Cerberus which is the Splinter group that EVERY cycle has.

The reaper indoc lead him to start Cerberus.

I know he was hit by the Reaper tech, but where is the proof of indoctrination? That he formed a splinter group? but that splinter group was created long before TIM even knew what the Reapers were. Besides the specifics of each splinter group are different. What happened in past cycles is not evidence of what occured in this cycle.

Are you really not makig the connection? 

but that splinter group was created long before TIM even knew what the Reapers were. 

That should be a red flag that TIM was following the same pattern that every cycle does.

Vigil.

Except Cerberus was created to protect humanity; their goal only changed to thwarting the Reapers because that is a subgoal of their supergoal. The other splinter groups were created during the Reaper war, with the sole purpose of trying to find an alternative of defeating the Reapers.

[balance5050]

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

 If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination canbe resisted...

By people with incredibly strong wills. Unless you want to suggest that all other living creatures have, by default, incredibly strong wills like Saren or Benezia, organics would start dropping like flies to the Reaper cause.

They do, read the codex and it says that people are actually surrendering to the reapers.

And of course husks are being made like nutz.

Yes. Surrendering. Not turning actively to their will. There is a difference.

LOL! they were indoctrinated into surrendering.... That's the only way to explain actively going towards a giant death machine.

[Raiil]

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination can be present with out a reaper actually taking control, Rana Thanoptis went years before killing a bunch of Asari officials.

And how many people did Rana manage to indoctrinate before she killed the other Asari? If it's passive and constant, then everyone around her would be, to some degree, affected.

How would we know, tha tinfo is not give but seriously...
"Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years. "

Please stop quoting that, I read it the first time, and it's an absolute **** to read if you're not going to bother formatting it.

Yes, indoctrination can be resisted, particularly if you know that it's happening (see: Benezia, Saren). However, this is considered to be something fairly rare.

If you're going to argue that all indoctrinated agents are going to passively give out signals to cause indoctrination in others, then you need to show that it actually happens. Otherwise it turns into a maybe situation,

[111987]

balance5050 wrote...

Reaper influence = indoctrination

Okay.

[Raiil]

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

 If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination canbe resisted...

By people with incredibly strong wills. Unless you want to suggest that all other living creatures have, by default, incredibly strong wills like Saren or Benezia, organics would start dropping like flies to the Reaper cause.

They do, read the codex and it says that people are actually surrendering to the reapers.

And of course husks are being made like nutz.

Yes. Surrendering. Not turning actively to their will. There is a difference.

LOL! they were indoctrinated into surrendering.... That's the only way to explain actively going towards a giant death machine.

LOL yourself. There's no proof. People surrender of hopes of riding out the storm. Most people didn't know what the hell Reapers were, and plenty of people are willing to hope to negotiate in order to come out alive. 

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You notunderstanding what I meanabout TIM...I'm not saying he is under reaper control..I'm say he is in the process of reaper indoctrination.Being in the process of does not mean the reapers can inflence or control him...Just the foundation of indoctrination is in him...That's why TIM was easilly indoctrianted in the end. sapposivly.

I disagree. He wasn't in the process of Reaper indoctrination until he implanted himself (or potentially via exposure to the salvaged Human Reaper). The nanides allow for rapid indoctrination.

Read ME:EVOLUTION. TIM was hit by a partial indoctination wave in the comic...Why was he not inoctinated but have the eyes of indoctination inplanted in him?

Where was it said it was partial indoctrination? He was obviously effected by it somehow, but there's no proof that it was indoctrination.

You keep ignoring my point; TIM was never indoctrinated until ME3. Unless you prove he was indoctrinated beforehand, this discussion is over.

So you're partialy  hit by and indoctriantion wave....Your body and thinking change and have physical changes to the eys...And your friend , who touches it dirctly is turned to this...


And you think there no chance for partial indoctrination with you?

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 mai 2012 - 07:29 .

[balance5050]

111987 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You notunderstanding what I meanabout TIM...I'm not saying he is under reaper control..I'm say he is in the process of reaper indoctrination.Being in the process of does not mean the reapers can inflence or control him...Just the foundation of indoctrination is in him...That's why TIM was easilly indoctrianted in the end. sapposivly.

I disagree. He wasn't in the process of Reaper indoctrination until he implanted himself (or potentially via exposure to the salvaged Human Reaper). The nanides allow for rapid indoctrination.

He was hit with reaper tech during the first contact wars, this is where he got his distinctive eyes from, there was atleast some light reaper influence because he started Cerberus which is the Splinter group that EVERY cycle has.

The reaper indoc lead him to start Cerberus.

I know he was hit by the Reaper tech, but where is the proof of indoctrination? That he formed a splinter group? but that splinter group was created long before TIM even knew what the Reapers were. Besides the specifics of each splinter group are different. What happened in past cycles is not evidence of what occured in this cycle.

Are you really not makig the connection? 

but that splinter group was created long before TIM even knew what the Reapers were. 

That should be a red flag that TIM was following the same pattern that every cycle does.

Vigil.

Except Cerberus was created to protect humanity; their goal only changed to thwarting the Reapers because that is a subgoal of their supergoal. The other splinter groups were created during the Reaper war, with the sole purpose of trying to find an alternative of defeating the Reapers.

Right.... tricking thousands into becoming husk experiment is protecting humanity, Cerberus picked up sovereigns remains and used it to make EDI and god knows what else.

Plus you know, every cycle has  their own cerberus, because of the reapers addiction to the cycle.

[Raiil]

And on that note, I'm off to bed. Good luck with all the circular thinking.

[dreman9999]

Valentia X wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind. 

The ability doesn't mean that they automatically do it, It means that they merely gain the capbility to do so. If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination can be present with out a reaper actually taking control, Rana Thanoptis went years before killing a bunch of Asari officials.

And how many people did Rana manage to indoctrinate before she killed the other Asari? If it's passive and constant, then everyone around her would be, to some degree, affected.

How would we know, tha tinfo is not give but seriously...
"Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years. "

Please stop quoting that, I read it the first time, and it's an absolute **** to read if you're not going to bother formatting it.

Yes, indoctrination can be resisted, particularly if you know that it's happening (see: Benezia, Saren). However, this is considered to be something fairly rare.

If you're going to argue that all indoctrinated agents are going to passively give out signals to cause indoctrination in others, then you need to show that it actually happens. Otherwise it turns into a maybe situation,

Indoctrination is subtle...We never know when it happen unless it'sclearly applied.
But the codeex says they do any way.

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And? There's no evidence they all indoctrinate the same way and to assume so is crazy. Dragon's teeth specifically work by impaling an organic. Why bother impaling if it can do it just by being there, which would be much more effective.

 
So husks give off the indoctriation signal but dragons teeth, the thing that MAKE the husks, don't? Strange logic.

 If they didn't, every organic would start falling to indoctrination in days, since all you would need to do is gather husks at a choke point and have them sit there until everyone else becomes indoctrinated. This isn't the case. 

Indoctrination canbe resisted...

By people with incredibly strong wills. Unless you want to suggest that all other living creatures have, by default, incredibly strong wills like Saren or Benezia, organics would start dropping like flies to the Reaper cause.

They do, read the codex and it says that people are actually surrendering to the reapers.

And of course husks are being made like nutz.

Yes. Surrendering. Not turning actively to their will. There is a difference.

LOL! they were indoctrinated into surrendering.... That's the only way to explain actively going towards a giant death machine.

LOL yourself. There's no proof. People surrender of hopes of riding out the storm. Most people didn't know what the hell Reapers were, and plenty of people are willing to hope to negotiate in order to come out alive. 

Just like Saren tried to negotiate huh?