Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Gogzilla wrote...
Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
So, has Shepard really been exposed to enough Reaper tech to become indoctrinated? Probably not...
But is that enough time to try to indoctrinate Shepard ?
not that i agree with any of those numbers, travel time alone proabably takes longer than any of those numbers.
Not to mention the numerous firefights and also any medical situation whilst doing any of that.
Ignoring all that ,
It took less than 1 second of contact with a reaper artifcat to make TIM susceptible to indoctrination.
Just so we are clear being indoctrinated does not = indoctrinated.
Shepard has not only had prelonged and repeated exposre to reapers but he has been the subject of their attention in almost all cases of contact.
If they were to try to indoctrinate Shepard in such a short time period, it would render him a babbling idiot. Codex states that subtle indoc. takes at least days of mild exposure, like Saren, for example. He spent all of his travel time inside Sovereign, which was undoubtedly much longer than the time Shepard spent in a dead Reaper.
We have bit of confusion here i think,
My assertion was
not that they were
"trying to indoctrinate shepard in short span of time" but that the
indoctrination process itself can begin in a short span of time, it may still take week , months or even years for the process to see compeletion barring extenuous circumstances.
My case and point was TIM , whos very limited exposure to Reaper artifacts back in the first contact war made him vunerable to indoctrination in Mass Effect 3.
TIM was not indoctrinated when he created Cerberus, he was not indoctrnated when he bought Shepard back to life and he was not indoctrnated when he wanted the collector base.
But we do know that he was indoctrnated in Mass effect 3.
We are talking about a person here that does not go to the front lines like Shepard, He spends is days plotting in an office far away from the nearest warzone.
Between First contact war and ME3 , how many reapers did he personally have contact with , none.
How was he indoctrinated ?
I think the indoctrination process began during the first contact war and by the reaper invasion in ME3 it was completed.
He accepected as fact that
destroying the reapers was wrong and that they should be controlled.
Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
The only other time Shepard is plot-mandated to spend time around Reaper tech is when he's facing Reaper troops. However, we don't know how effective they are at indoctrination or even if they can. Would a reasonable estimate for their ability to indoc. be limited at best?
Earth, Menae, Ranoch, Tuchanka and Thessia
Warzone with Destroyer and Sovergien class reapers.
On both Ranoch and Tuchanka , Shepard was the subject of the destoryers attention.
On earth, Menae and Thessia , there were Multiple Sovergin class reapers all over the place.
I think thats more than enough cases of contact with Reapers to suggest that Indoctirnation process has already begun.
Wether or not the indoctrination process can ever be completed on Shepard , or if it has any role in the ending is different debate entirely.
Is that kind of contact enough time to begin indoctrination , i think so yes.
Enough time to fully insoctrinate Shepard, only Bioware can answer that.
Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
Also, the numbers themselves come from the average lenghth of the mission (that includes firefights and medical situations, as they are resolved in the course of the mission) coupled with the time spent in cutscenes with Reaper tech present in that mission. So, basically the average length of a mission.
I see the logic behind what you wrote.
However game length is not good enough, if you think it is then so be it.
But do you really think Shepard spent less than an hour on Menae.
Think about all the stuff that happens in that level that all took place in 10-15 mintues really ?
Do you really think that the events of Thessia were about 30 mintues at maximum.
With the scale of everything thats happening , travel time(landing and retrival), That alone will take more time than whats being suggested. Not to mention walking from place to place , multiple firefights, converstaions.
From whats being suggested i have spent more time playing paintball than Sheaprd has in fight.
Shepard is the galaxys premier reaper killer and (S)he has logged how many combat hours against ?
I personally can't believe that any soldier let alone Shepard spends barely 30 min in actual combat.
If you have no problem with those kinds of numbers then to each his own.
Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
As for travel time, which occurs off-screen, there are actually very few moments in which Shep travels in the direct presence of Reaper tech, which also limits his exposure via this method. If you can provide any instance where there is a reason to assume there's a long time skip in the presence of Reaper tech, please let me know so I can add it to the OP.
ok, will tell to you the largest one ,
The last earth mission,
Reapers all over the place , in space and on planet.
After he blows up the Hydra cannon or whatever that AA thingy was , Shepard gets picked up, scene transition to hammer. when we get back Shepard at the safe outpost then we have another transition after talking to Anderson where we have an unspecified ammount of time to give a speech.
Then transition again and we are in an alleyway fight with reapers.
Then you blow up the destroyer , how long did it take them to get to the Beam ?
Then shepard gets "hit" by Harbys beam of whatever and he is lying there unconcious for how long ?
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lets go back to Menae ,
how long did Shepard spend in reaper space while cortez piloted the Shuttle to the landing zone ?
how long did it take for him to get back to the Normandy after he found the Primarch ?
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What about on Tessia
Similar problem how much time in reaper space before Shepard could actually land ?
How much time after Kai Leng got away ?
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You said 10-15 min on Ranoch,
you should not count from when you saw the dam thing
But the entire mission , It can be trying to indoctrinate shepard regardless of wether or not visual contact has been made.
How much time before he got picked up , there is big reaper husk/debris right next to him towards the ending
Modifié par Gogzilla, 15 mai 2012 - 05:38 .
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