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[BatmanTurian]

balance5050 wrote...

Oh YEAH! The Reaper IFF was never uninstalled yo!

Wasn't the IFF just software though? it's in a physical object but I believe it's only software.

[Gorkan86]

Leafs43 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

It has plenty to do with indoctrination.


Shepard's implants could propogate the indoctrination signal directly inside of Shepard's own body if they are hacked by the reapers.

You just made that up. How do you know Shepards implants could broadcast the Reaper signal?

Also, proximity would be required for the hacking anyways (assuming Shep's implants aren't safeguarded against such things), so by that point you might as well just shoot Shep.

Every instance of the reapers takign control of something it becomes a piece that broadcasts reaper signals.  

It's the same underlying principle how husks become indoctrination beacons.


And because it would be really only focused on Shepard, it can be exponentially weaker than other reaper tech and could go undetected.  Even the Thessia VI said indoctrination can be so subtle that the protheans couldn't detect it.

And the Citadel?

[111987]

Leafs43 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

It has plenty to do with indoctrination.


Shepard's implants could propogate the indoctrination signal directly inside of Shepard's own body if they are hacked by the reapers.

You just made that up. How do you know Shepards implants could broadcast the Reaper signal?

Also, proximity would be required for the hacking anyways (assuming Shep's implants aren't safeguarded against such things), so by that point you might as well just shoot Shep.

Every instance of the reapers takign control of something it becomes a piece that broadcasts reaper signals.  

It's the same underlying principle how husks become indoctrination beacons.

Yes, because they are implanted with the self-replicating Reaper nanides. Totally different situation.

[Leafs43]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

It has plenty to do with indoctrination.


Shepard's implants could propogate the indoctrination signal directly inside of Shepard's own body if they are hacked by the reapers.

You just made that up. How do you know Shepards implants could broadcast the Reaper signal?

Also, proximity would be required for the hacking anyways (assuming Shep's implants aren't safeguarded against such things), so by that point you might as well just shoot Shep.

Every instance of the reapers takign control of something it becomes a piece that broadcasts reaper signals.  

It's the same underlying principle how husks become indoctrination beacons.


And because it would be really only focused on Shepard, it can be exponentially weaker than other reaper tech and could go undetected.  Even the Thessia VI said indoctrination can be so subtle that the protheans couldn't detect it.

And the Citadel?

It was was said in ME3 the citadel was "eerily" calm despite everything happening.


Whether or not the citadel is an indoctrination antenna is yet to be seen though.  But it makes a lot of sense that it would be.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

BatmanTurian wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

If your argument was that Shepard hasn't been exposed enough for indoctrination than the best argument you Could make would involve the maximum amount of exposure Shepard could experience.
I
Because it really doesn't matter whether or not someone has played something like Arrival seeing how Bioware designs the game assuming everyone has. Youre still on trial at the beginning of ME3 even if you didnt play it. Just my opinion though.

The problem with OP's post is that he doesn't account for the timeskips in the story. We don't actually know how much time Shepard really has spent around Reapertech. We can conclusively apply the question to missions, the Citadel, and Omega. But missions are only a fraction of the time that actually occurred in the series.

I did not account for time skips as there is no indicaton Shepard actually spent time around Reaper tech during the time skips. It's a baseless assumption that he did, so there's no point in mentioning them.

[BatmanTurian]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

If your argument was that Shepard hasn't been exposed enough for indoctrination than the best argument you Could make would involve the maximum amount of exposure Shepard could experience.
I
Because it really doesn't matter whether or not someone has played something like Arrival seeing how Bioware designs the game assuming everyone has. Youre still on trial at the beginning of ME3 even if you didnt play it. Just my opinion though.

The problem with OP's post is that he doesn't account for the timeskips in the story. We don't actually know how much time Shepard really has spent around Reapertech. We can conclusively apply the question to missions, the Citadel, and Omega. But missions are only a fraction of the time that actually occurred in the series.

I did not account for time skips as there is no indicaton Shepard actually spent time around Reaper tech during the time skips. It's a baseless assumption that he did, so there's no point in mentioning them.

But it's also baseless to say he didn't so we don't know either way, I guess.

[RedTail F22]

Gorkan86 wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

If your argument was that Shepard hasn't been exposed enough for indoctrination than the best argument you Could make would involve the maximum amount of exposure Shepard could experience.
I
Because it really doesn't matter whether or not someone has played something like Arrival seeing how Bioware designs the game assuming everyone has. Youre still on trial at the beginning of ME3 even if you didnt play it. Just my opinion though.

Yes he is on trial. Nobody disputes with that.
Just another reason.

I was using it as an example. The whole point of what I was saying was not to dispute what the OP was arguing but simply to help him/her strengthen their argument. It would be a better argument if they stated the max amount of exposure Shepard experienced and then say it still wouldn't be enough to indoctrinate him. 

[balance5050]

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

It has plenty to do with indoctrination.


Shepard's implants could propogate the indoctrination signal directly inside of Shepard's own body if they are hacked by the reapers.

You just made that up. How do you know Shepards implants could broadcast the Reaper signal?

Also, proximity would be required for the hacking anyways (assuming Shep's implants aren't safeguarded against such things), so by that point you might as well just shoot Shep.

Every instance of the reapers takign control of something it becomes a piece that broadcasts reaper signals.  

It's the same underlying principle how husks become indoctrination beacons.

Yes, because they are implanted with the self-replicating Reaper nanides. Totally different situation.

So I guess nanides can be airborne? Or what?

"An excavation team in the Minos Wasteland on the planet Aequitas found a Reaper artifact that creates advanced husks. This device does not resemble dragon's teeth at all, instead featuring an orb of energy that turned the excavation team into husks with what appears to be a form of indoctrination, according to logs kept by the team, before it started creating more husks."

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Husk 

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

Oh YEAH! The Reaper IFF was never uninstalled yo!

IFF: Identifaction Friend or Foe

It is a singnal transmitted  to tell your friends and allies you are friendly. In the case of ME2 it was transmited to the Omega 4 relay to make it think the Normandy was a Collector ship. In other words the IFF is just some data not a physical device.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Great, the thread has been completely derailed. And if the Citadel does indoctrinate, then that means the practically every major character has become indoctrinated to an extent.

[111987]

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

It has plenty to do with indoctrination.


Shepard's implants could propogate the indoctrination signal directly inside of Shepard's own body if they are hacked by the reapers.

You just made that up. How do you know Shepards implants could broadcast the Reaper signal?

Also, proximity would be required for the hacking anyways (assuming Shep's implants aren't safeguarded against such things), so by that point you might as well just shoot Shep.

Every instance of the reapers takign control of something it becomes a piece that broadcasts reaper signals.  

It's the same underlying principle how husks become indoctrination beacons.

Yes, because they are implanted with the self-replicating Reaper nanides. Totally different situation.

So I guess nanides can be airborne? Or what?

"An excavation team in the Minos Wasteland on the planet Aequitas found a Reaper artifact that creates advanced husks. This device does not resemble dragon's teeth at all, instead featuring an orb of energy that turned the excavation team into husks with what appears to be a form of indoctrination, according to logs kept by the team, before it started creating more husks."

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Husk 

The orb indoctrinates, than the indoctrinated implant themselves. Simple.

[111987]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Great, the thread has been completely derailed. And if the Citadel does indoctrinate, then that means the practically every major character has become indoctrinated to an extent.

Sorry, I shall stop.

What other points did you want to bring up?

[Leafs43]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Great, the thread has been completely derailed. And if the Citadel does indoctrinate, then that means the practically every major character has become indoctrinated to an extent.

The catalyst is apparently aboard the citadel.

There is no reason why the citadel wouldn't be able to indoctrinate someone.

[jijeebo]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Great, the thread has been completely derailed. And if the Citadel does indoctrinate, then that means the practically every major character has become indoctrinated to an extent.

Yeah, giving the Citadel indoctrination powers is opening one helluva can of worms.

... At least I think thats the expression.

[Zombie Inc 91]

Kaelef wrote...

Wow.  That's just horrible.  For all the arguing that IT is not just a cliche "it was just a dream" ending, that's exactly what you've delivered.  I hope that's not an example of it "done right".

It's not really a cliche "it was just a dream ending". The entire idea is that the ending isn't the ending and one with greater focus on choices, characters, etc would come after it. It's just a sequence, just like any other in the game.

If Shepard woke up on Eden Prime after touching the becon or something and it turns out that the reapers don't exist at all or something, that would be a horribel cliche "it was just a dream" ending.

Being a dream doesn't mean it would be bad anyway. The "bad" ending for Silent Hill had the whole game be his dying delusions and it was fine. One of Silent Hill Homecoming's endings had it all be a dream in a mental hospital and it sucked. Which way it goes depends on how it's delivered.

Still, if you don't like it, fair enough, that's your call. Things would be boring if everyone agreed on everything.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

RedTail F22 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

If your argument was that Shepard hasn't been exposed enough for indoctrination than the best argument you Could make would involve the maximum amount of exposure Shepard could experience.
I
Because it really doesn't matter whether or not someone has played something like Arrival seeing how Bioware designs the game assuming everyone has. Youre still on trial at the beginning of ME3 even if you didnt play it. Just my opinion though.

Yes he is on trial. Nobody disputes with that.
Just another reason.

Actually, as has been stated repeatedly, only the events of Arrival occur. Not every Shep experiences them, though, as if you don't play Arrival, a spec ops team gets sent in instead.

I was using it as an example. The whole point of what I was saying was not to dispute what the OP was arguing but simply to help him/her strengthen their argument. It would be a better argument if they stated the max amount of exposure Shepard experienced and then say it still wouldn't be enough to indoctrinate him. 

[balance5050]

111987 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

It has plenty to do with indoctrination.


Shepard's implants could propogate the indoctrination signal directly inside of Shepard's own body if they are hacked by the reapers.

You just made that up. How do you know Shepards implants could broadcast the Reaper signal?

Also, proximity would be required for the hacking anyways (assuming Shep's implants aren't safeguarded against such things), so by that point you might as well just shoot Shep.

Every instance of the reapers takign control of something it becomes a piece that broadcasts reaper signals.  

It's the same underlying principle how husks become indoctrination beacons.

Yes, because they are implanted with the self-replicating Reaper nanides. Totally different situation.

So I guess nanides can be airborne? Or what?

"An excavation team in the Minos Wasteland on the planet Aequitas found a Reaper artifact that creates advanced husks. This device does not resemble dragon's teeth at all, instead featuring an orb of energy that turned the excavation team into husks with what appears to be a form of indoctrination, according to logs kept by the team, before it started creating more husks."

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Husk 

The orb indoctrinates, than the indoctrinated implant themselves. Simple.

"orb of energy that turned the excavation team into husks"

You don't need to lie to kick it bro.

[Gorkan86]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Great, the thread has been completely derailed. And if the Citadel does indoctrinate, then that means the practically every major character has become indoctrinated to an extent.

And that means Garrus was exposed to indoctrination signals muuuch more longer than Shepard.

[RedTail F22]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Great, the thread has been completely derailed. And if the Citadel does indoctrinate, then that means the practically every major character has become indoctrinated to an extent.

Maybe this thread is just an example to show that there are to many variable to prove or disprove whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated. Maybe

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

111987 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Great, the thread has been completely derailed. And if the Citadel does indoctrinate, then that means the practically every major character has become indoctrinated to an extent.

Sorry, I shall stop.

What other points did you want to bring up?

Well, as I never finished fleshing out the idea that since you can bring Garrus on almost every mission where you are exposed to Reaper tech, it's just as probable that he's indoctrinated as well. Not a part of the canon idea, but rather a different take on things.

[Helmschmied]

There is no reason why the citadel wouldn't be able to indoctrinate someone.

Then I'm sure you can tell me why the Reapers didn't just indoctrinate everybody aboard the Citadel when they hit the Galaxy.

[KDD-0063]

I'd hand it to the implants TIM used to enhance Shepard when rebuilding him/her, if BW are going with IT. After all, exact details of the implants are unknown and could involve reaper tech, and other "strong willed" characters like Saren and TIM himself are indoctrinated slowly in the same way.

[Zombie Inc 91]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Oh YEAH! The Reaper IFF was never uninstalled yo!

IFF: Identifaction Friend or Foe

It is a singnal transmitted  to tell your friends and allies you are friendly. In the case of ME2 it was transmited to the Omega 4 relay to make it think the Normandy was a Collector ship. In other words the IFF is just some data not a physical device.

You do collect a physical device from the dead reaper. All EDI says is it was installed. It's never said if it was just the software or the device it's self was installed too. Without more info, you could argue either. Everyone here loves to speculate, right?

[jijeebo]

Helmschmied wrote...

There is no reason why the citadel wouldn't be able to indoctrinate someone.

Then I'm sure you can tell me why the Reapers didn't just indoctrinate everybody aboard the Citadel when they hit the Galaxy.

Or beforehand... Would've made Sovereigns job a lot easier if the Citadel could just indoctrinate everyone on board to allow him access.

[AlexMBrennan]

Helmschmied wrote...

There is no reason why the citadel wouldn't be able to indoctrinate someone.

Then I'm sure you can tell me why the Reapers didn't just indoctrinate everybody aboard the Citadel when they hit the Galaxy.

Don't you just love it when you can open any thread at random and find an invalid argument?