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[lillitheris]

OK, last chances before I set…something…in stone! I’m still thinking around 15 000 frigate and above vessels (absolute minimum 10 000) in the combined galactic fleet for delivering the Crucible.

Also, why is it that the most substantial replies come during EU daytime hours? North America, step up your game!

Modifié par lillitheris, 15 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[Wulfram]

lillitheris wrote...
And there’s 2000 Reapers.

Where'd you get that number from?

edit:  OK, checked back.   x reapers per cycle type logic.

Modifié par Wulfram, 15 mai 2012 - 03:39 .

[Arcadia364]

Although only tangentally related, when was it ever stated that the reapers could produce only one reaper dreadnought each "Sucessful" cycle?

[SnakeSNMF]

I'm going to throw numbers out ther and names.

Okay, so let's take these fleets.
Hanar/Drell, Salarian, Turian, Asari, Batarian, (Terminus) Alliance, Elcor, Volus, Quarian and Geth.
Quarian and Geth have the most ships.
Geth have the most dreadnoughts-- and to boot ,the most powerful. They built up to 46 or around that according to the Codex.
The Turians have lost around five of thier dreadnoughts, so around 41 or so.


Quarian alone have 50,000 and they upgraded their weaponry to hell-- With the Geths' help, they can match dreadnought power without having to worry about their armor-- although they'd probably had upgraded that as well.

Anyone know any -other- available fleets that were besides all of that?
Any names?

Everyone here seems to be forgetting about the Geth as well in general.
Nobody knows how many ships the Batarians had, just they had remnants of a Fleet. (which basically means they had plenty of ships left, but a lot was destroyed when their planet was attacked.)

Volus has one dreadnought.
Hanar has two.
Elcor has three, I think.
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[lillitheris]

Final call for thoughts, I’m starting to hash out the details and breakdowns tomorrow!

[Raynulf]

Zolt51 wrote...

By the way, from the interview with Al-Jilani in ME2 (Saved the council in ME1 and you heroically refrain from punching her), we know that the Alliance lost 8 cruisers in the battle of the Citadel. Then from ME3 war assets we know that this represents a third of the Alliance's 1st, 3rd and 5th fleets. So each of these fleets should have 8 or 9 cruisers when at full strength. Which they aren't in ME3.

So that means at the most we've got around 20-25 cruisers on the Alliance side. Probably a whole bunch of frigates and a few dreadnoughts too. The Turians have more, but taking on even 100 Reapers with these numbers doesn't look very promising.

The "every alliance fleet lost 1/3 of their numbers" is a massive retcon in ME3 that is actually inconsistent with the rest of the game: Watch the Battle for Earth cutscene, pause and count the Alliance ships that appear just in the camera shot - there's around the hundred mark, and that's just the ones visible in that shot.

Again: Mass Effect 1 and 2 were consistent in stating that the Alliance 5th Fleet was the only one at the Battle for the Citadel, and it consisted of a minimum of 30 cruisers. There should also be a dreadnought in there, but they only had 3 alliance ship models in that cutscene: Cruiser + Frigate + Normandy. Similarly, they only had 1 Turian ship model (Cruiser), 1 Asari (Destiny Ascension) and 2 Geth (Cruiser and Dropship).

The Geth, on the other hand, had around 50 cruisers (we actually got a decent 'fleet' shot of them and Sovereign) in that fight.

The Citadel defense fleet (what we could see of it - not very good camera angles for counting) was at least: 1 x Asari super-dreadnought ("four times the size of the biggest Alliance ship") plus at least 30 Turian cruisers, plus possibly some Asari cruisers off-camera (due to lack of models).

When you consider the published number of Dreadnoughts/Carriers kicking around, some "ballpark figure" scaling of other ship numbers is possible, with the Alliance alone having somewhere between 400 and 1000 cruisers, and 800 - 2000 frigates.

[Lopez23]

straight from the wiki: "The Council regards the Alliance as a "sleeping giant" as only 3% of humans volunteer for military service."
which would mean roughly 344,706,753 people serve in the MILITARY arm of the Systems Alliance not as parliment members or governors and police and such just the military

[lillitheris]

For division among the species,

- Humans have few dreadnoughts but a few carriers, and the ratio of cruisers to dreadnoughts is relatively high. Frigates/cruisers is standard, but humans have by far the most fighters.

- Turians have significantly more dreadnoughts, but conversely a slightly smaller ratio of cruisers to dreadnoughts. The frigate/cruiser ratio is roughly the same as the humans. Fighters are only about 1/2 of the human ratio.

- Asari have a few more dreadnoughts and proportionate cruiser support ratio, but significatly fewer frigates, and fighters (though their fighter ratio is higher due to more support on dreadnoughts).

- Geth have a significant fleet, nearly equivalent to the Turians in strength though a little smaller in numbers originally. However, a significant portion of their forces are indisposed, either still beyond the veil, on Rannoch, or destroyed in the events of ME and ME2.

- The quarians have a large fleet that, fully armed, could have given serious trouble to the bigger nations (I’m also ruling that there’s actually closer to 50 million quarians altogether…) but a significant portion of it is indisposed on Rannoch, and a fair amount of the ships are only barely battleworthy.

- The elcor, volus, and hanar only provide an insignificant overall number of vessels. Let’s also say that there are some batarians who have opted to join the fight.

- Salarians are annoying bastards who abandoned everyone else (YMMV).

Turians make around 18% of the total force. Humans have around 20% (with nowhere else to leave ships to defend). Asari 16-17%, quarians 13%, geth 14%. Batarians make up 5%, and the rest is divided between mercenary fleets, volus, hanar and elcor.

Modifié par lillitheris, 16 mai 2012 - 04:13 .

[Wulfram]

I'd have expected Asari doctrine to favour frigates. They prefer hit and run tactics over meeting their enemies head on.

[lillitheris]

Wulfram wrote...

I'd have expected Asari doctrine to favour frigates. They prefer hit and run tactics over meeting their enemies head on.

That’s a good point; I kind of took it even further: they try to stay out of fighting altogether. Frigates are useful for skirmishing and other mainly offensive strategies and are, therefore, less desirable.

Instead, the asari build dreadnoughts and cruisers, to put a quick stop to anyone who mistakes their passiveness for weakness and tries to make a move.

Also, significantly fewer in proportion. Where humans and turians are closer to 1:2 cruisers:frigates, asari are still at 1:1 or so.

[Wulfram]

Well, we've got the description of the Asari 2nd fleet

The asari Second Fleet is largely composed of frigates and fighters, embodying the asari's hit-and-run mindset with a nimble swarm rather than a slower collection of vessels

One thing I keep wondering about the Asari is what the advantage of their wierd ship design is, and what implication this has for their preferred strategies. Best I can come up with is that they'd have a powerful broadside compared with more traditional long and thin designs. Which would suggest a preference for shorter ranged, more chaotic fights?

The Turians seem more like to sort to emphasise Cruisers and Dreadnoughts over smaller ships. Though they had at least a couple of Carriers at the Battle of Palaven.

[lillitheris]

^ Hmm, good find.