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[Ryoten]

Also the catalyst just reminds me of Amumu the sad mummy from League of Legends. No one wants to be his friend.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

NUM13ER wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...
You can't fail at being an artist. Art is interpretive. A million people may think your art is garbage, but that doesn't make it not art. 

I'm afraid I disagree. You can fail at art. In fact you can fail in a multitude of ways. Financially, cricitially and personally. And yes a million people thinking your art is worthless can't change the fact it's art. It also doesn't change the fact its considered bad art or at least inferior to other works.

Popular opinion means nothing. Popular opinion is that some hippy walked on water, turned water into wine and came out of a chick who didn't get her vagoo spunked. Honestly, you expect me to believe because the majority of people think something that automatically makes it true. The majority believe a lot of incredibly idiotic things. The Catalyst being bad is no different, in my opinion.

You again present a failed argument. You base your assumption in Science and then present a comparison with Religion. You have failed.

Science whether you believe it or not is true.

You cannot flip flop between the two.

Do not base an artistic opinion with science and then proceed to use religion as an example.

[Ryoten]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

You got to stop reading those reviews on your hypster gaming review sites.  They're poisoning your mind and making you look dumb.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Stop being so PC. Bull**** is bull****. The comparison is valid.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

So you state previously that art can't fail but now it can?

Can you elucidate?

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Ryoten wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

You got to stop reading those reviews on your hypster gaming review sites.  They're poisoning your mind and making you look dumb.

You argue that art that isn't successful isn't real art. I assert that Mass Effect 3 is infact successful. You say my mind is poisoned. You're very mature.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Stop being so PC. Bull**** is bull****. The comparison is valid.

Amazing how this has become as estatic moment of transcendent truth.

You are literally a textbook example of the devolution of an argument.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 14 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[kalasaurus]

Maybe if Shepard makes the Catalyst go take a nap, he'll stop being so cranky? And then he'll make the reapers go away in exchange for a juice box and a cookie.

[Captain Noodle]

*sigh*

Back in my day, trolling meant something....

[Filby08]

I love everything about this thread.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

So you state previously that art can't fail but now it can?

Can you elucidate?

Nope. I'm saying even if what he says were to be true and somehow art can "fail," that still isn't the case here. 

[GDK]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Stop being so PC. Bull**** is bull****. The comparison is valid.

It is mind-boggling that you can't understand this. It is also popular opinon that Earth is round. And this, unlike your comparison to a religious belief, is a FACT. That's what he means.

You have to talk facts. Not beliefs. 

[Ryoten]

You know, im going to yield one thing. ME3 was a huge success critically.......

No game i know has successfully created this much critical distain from its fans.

[NUM13ER]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...
Popular opinion means nothing. Popular opinion is that some hippy walked on water, turned water into wine and came out of a chick who didn't get her vagoo spunked. Honestly, you expect me to believe because the majority of people think something that automatically makes it true. The majority believe a lot of incredibly idiotic things. The Catalyst being bad is no different, in my opinion.

True. Simply because something is popular is doesn't denote artistic merit of the lack thereof. However I was stating works can be considered to have failed or to have little in the way of artistic merit. If an element of your fanbase loathe an aspect of your work even whilst other elements do not, you still have to accept your work failed to a certain degree. In this instance the Catalyst failed to resonate strongly with a large portion of its intended audience.

 

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

So you state previously that art can't fail but now it can?

Can you elucidate?

Nope. I'm saying even if what he says were to be true and somehow art can "fail," that still isn't the case here. 

You just told me you wouldn't elucidate by elucidating. Do you even know what you're doing anymore?

[Ryoten]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

You got to stop reading those reviews on your hypster gaming review sites.  They're poisoning your mind and making you look dumb.

You argue that art that isn't successful isn't real art. I assert that Mass Effect 3 is infact successful. You say my mind is poisoned. You're very mature.

I am mature.  You're the one stomping your feet unobjecitvely arguing your points with the same broken logic that your consumer bias spits out at you.  Art that is failed is failed.  Otherwise we would be having a "special" place for every painting of a flower vase out there.  But what can i say.  These days kids are raised to believe that everything they do is special.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

It's still art. And Mass Effect 3 is both art. And successful art. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

[VibrantYacht]

Ryoten wrote...

You know, im going to yield one thing. ME3 was a huge success critically.......

No game i know has successfully created this much critical distain from its fans.

The Call of Duty series certainly has it's detractors (in the form of rabid Halo fans, rabid Battlefield fans, and those who are part of the whiplash that inevitably occurs when something becomes highly popular) but I agree. This is a large level of disdain, though I don't know which is getting hammered worse at the moment. By it's own fans? Probably Mass Effect.

[VibrantYacht]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

It's still art. And Mass Effect 3 is both art. And successful art. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

You mean... the target audience? It doesn't matter what the target audience says?... Is that what was just said?

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

So you state previously that art can't fail but now it can?

Can you elucidate?

Nope. I'm saying even if what he says were to be true and somehow art can "fail," that still isn't the case here. 

You just told me you wouldn't elucidate by elucidating. Do you even know what you're doing anymore?

Building a bunch of strawman arguments is not how you win a debate. If this was standarized, you would've been disqualified, homie.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

VibrantYacht wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

It's still art. And Mass Effect 3 is both art. And successful art. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

You mean... the target audience? It doesn't matter what the target audience says?... Is that what was just said?

 It doesn't matter what the non-casuals say. They aren't the target audience anymore.

[2484Stryker]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

It's still art. And Mass Effect 3 is both art. And successful art. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

So it's arrogant art.  KThnxBye!

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

It's still art. And Mass Effect 3 is both art. And successful art. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

Deflection is another part of argument devolution.

Again you make the mistake of believing that because something is successful it's good.