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[Captain Noodle]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

VibrantYacht wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

VibrantYacht wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

It's still art. And Mass Effect 3 is both art. And successful art. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

You mean... the target audience? It doesn't matter what the target audience says?... Is that what was just said?

 It doesn't matter what the non-casuals say. They aren't the target audience anymore.

I accept the point that casual fans are now the target audience (that being said, can't you understand why the former diehard fans are angry?). You don't think there are casual fans that are angry? Are you a casual fan? I'd argue not, as you are currently on the forum of the video game developers website. Why does your opinion matter if you are a non-casual?

Do I understand why the diehard fans are angry? They don't even understand why they're angry. There hasn't been ONE cohesive reason given. Everyone has their opinions and they're all different. No different than any other game.

Okay.  Here I go, everyone.

I am I die-hard fan.  I have played all three games.  

Here's a cohesive reason why I hate the ending:

The tube you shoot for the Destruction ending.  Why am I shooting this particular tube?  Usually, when you shoot a machine, that breaks it instead of turning it on.  What is it about this tube that is so special?  At least with Control you put your hands on those controller....things.  Why did the Starchild tell me about the possibility of Destruction?  Is the Catalyst suicidal?  Why do I walk at the tube while I'm shooting at it, while it's EXPLODING?  WhywhywhywhywhyWHYWHYWHY Do you see the problem yet?  An ending is not where you want these questions raised.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

"Only seeing what you want to see." Kinda like...the Indoctrination Theory?

Ladies and gentlemen, I present a case study of a victim of sophilism.

Please continue.

I'm sorry. Are you saying you don't see the correlation? Really? That's the perfect example of that particular theory. And by the way, before you CONTINUE to butcher the English language. It's SOPHISM. You ingrate.

Modifié par From Tuchanka with Love, 14 mai 2012 - 12:29 .

[NUM13ER]

VibrantYacht wrote...
Yeah, I probably worded something wrong in there. I agree with most of what your saying. However the last point (at least, according to Metacritic) is untrue. ME1 (my favorite) had the lowest score with 91, ME2 had 96, and ME3 had 93 (those are Xbox 360 scores, I'm not sure about the other platforms).

Really? All that talk of 75 perfect scores must have convinced me otherwise lol. But it's interesting ME2 is stronger critically overall. Wonder if it's lower due to less mainstream critics slaying the ending and bringing down the average of all those glowing reviews.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 14 mai 2012 - 12:31 .

[Ryoten]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

In a standardized debate, you're not supposed to reply to strawman arguments. For a guy that is so sure about his "mad skillz.," you really aren't as smart as you think you are.

I never claimed to have any skills. I merely presented you with a counter argument and you proceeded to begin talking about how your left testicle could out-debate me.

You a victim of sophistry and you then proceed to present sophistry as as a form of self-entitlement.

LOL self-entittlement.Doesn't that take the proverbial cake.


Bro, neither you or, oh lets say... Miranda, "deserve" anything. You get what you get. Be happy you get what you get or move on like everyone else. Mass Effect is starting to develop a stigma like Star Wars and Star Trek. I don't want to be lumped in with a group like that which is why I beg for some sanity and objectivity.

You should probably start by researching what sanity and objectivity is.  Starting with sanity.  Then try practicing some of it.

[Filby08]

And now it's sad.

[GDK]

Ryoten wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

GDK wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Again, art failing or not failing doesn't mean anything.

PS: Mass Effect 3 was a huge success, critically and financially. Your point it moot.

So you state previously that art can't fail but now it can?

Can you elucidate?

Nope. I'm saying even if what he says were to be true and somehow art can "fail," that still isn't the case here. 

You just told me you wouldn't elucidate by elucidating. Do you even know what you're doing anymore?

This is quite literally like someone screaming that they know how to fly as their plane dives and crashes into the ground. 

It's almost beautiful.

So you think his strawmaning of everything I said makes sense? Well, of course you do. He's you man. 

Actually the plane crash was more of a analogy.  Not a strawman.

Sorry. I probably should have said "This argument this guy is making." 

I was not talking to the gentleman making a logical argument. I was talking to you.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

I agree. This is very sad. What will they call us? Mass Effekies. The horror.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

In a standardized debate, you're not supposed to reply to strawman arguments. For a guy that is so sure about his "mad skillz.," you really aren't as smart as you think you are.

I never claimed to have any skills. I merely presented you with a counter argument and you proceeded to begin talking about how your left testicle could out-debate me.

You a victim of sophistry and you then proceed to present sophistry as as a form of self-entitlement.

LOL self-entittlement.Doesn't that take the proverbial cake.
Bro, neither you or, oh lets say... Miranda, "deserve" anything. You get what you get. Be happy you get what you get or move on like everyone else. Mass Effect is starting to develop a stigma like Star Wars and Star Trek. I don't want to be lumped in with a group like that which is why I beg for some sanity and objectivity.

I do not belive Bioware owes me anything. They have already made a concession with the announcement of the Extended Cut. They have stated that they will be fleshing out characters. I want to see Miranda fleshed out more. If she isn't then I guess that's to bad for me. I post the banner as feedback.

Please do not try and present an argument and use an insult as the driving force. You continue to dig your hole.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Continue to butcher the English language and proclaim to be intellectual.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

"Only seeing what you want to see." Kinda like...the Indoctrination Theory?

Ladies and gentlemen, I present a case study of a victim of sophilism.

Please continue.

I'm sorry. Are you saying you don't see the correlation? Really? That's the perfect example of that particular theory. And by the way, before you CONTINUE to butcher the English language. It's SOPHISM. You ingrate.

Again you post insults. 

Sophism
Sophist
Sophistry
Sophilism

All are words that relate to Sophism. You keep digging your hole.

[ReXspec]

I'm tempted to label From Tuchanka with Love and Catamantaloedis as the forum trolls... I think it would be much for relevant to OP's post if we created unsupportive banners for the aforementioned gentleman.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Sophilism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Continue to butcher the English language and proclaim to be intellectual.

You have assigned that label to me.

I have not said I was trying to be intellectual.

You are putting words in my mouth.

Yet another form of an argument devolution.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophilism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

Are you even trying anymore?

[xsdob]

I want a parody banner like that. Mines unique to these forums but not very well received apparently, guess some people cant take a joke.

[ediskrad327]

someone supports the character that destroyed Mass Effect? all hope is lost

[GDK]

They are going to teach classes about this thread one day.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophilism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

Are you even trying anymore?

I don't have to try. The English language just comes naturally to me.

[Taboo]

Also I would like to point out that Sophism is Greek in origin.

σόφισμα

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophilism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

Are you even trying anymore?

I don't have to try. The English language just comes naturally to me.

I only post in threads reletive to my interests.

I look to liking if looking liking do.

^ That's a Shakespeare quote. One of my favorites. How's that for English?

[ReXspec]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

soph·ism   [sof-iz-uhm] Show IPA noun 1. a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone. 2. any false argument; fallacy.

ITT professional trolling--something you are not adept at.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[Taboo]

jreezy wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophilism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

Are you even trying anymore?

I tried looking that up and I didn't get anything but the search directed me to sophism so I'm guessing it's derived from it.

It is.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

And? We're not speaking in Greek. Well, maybe you were trying to and that would explain your failures. But, I digress. By the way, was calling me a sophist a insult or a compliment? A specious argument that presents itself with plausability while all the while being intentionally deceptive is not easy to do and takes a pretty cunning individual. So thank you, I suppose!

Modifié par From Tuchanka with Love, 14 mai 2012 - 12:42 .