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[BDelacroix]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Do I understand why the diehard fans are angry? They don't even understand why they're angry. There hasn't been ONE cohesive reason given. Everyone has their opinions and they're all different. No different than any other game.

I don't? Thanks for clearing that up. Without you, apparently I'd not know my own motivations.

[Filby08]

GDK wrote...

They are going to teach classes about this thread one day.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

jreezy wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

soph·ism   [sof-iz-uhm] Show IPA noun 1. a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone. 2. any false argument; fallacy.

He didn't type "sophism". Did you change his post?

Sophism is the correct version. Apparently I can't even misspell words when I'm trying to.

[ReXspec]

jreezy wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

soph·ism   [sof-iz-uhm] Show IPA noun 1. a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone. 2. any false argument; fallacy.

He didn't type "sophism". Did you change his post?

Indeed I did for minor spelling error.  Also, this guy doesn't deserve a white knight, dude... stop defending him.

[GDK]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophilism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

Are you even trying anymore?

I don't have to try. The English language just comes naturally to me.

And that's it. The thread is dead.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

And? We're not speaking in Greek. Well, maybe you were trying to and that would explain your failures. But, I digress. By the way, was calling me a sophist a insult or a compliment? A specious argument that presents itself with plausability while all the while being intentionally deceptive is not easy to do and takes a pretty cunning indivudal. So thank you, I suppose!

Again deflection.

Ὀδυσσεύς would be proud.

^ He's a character in one of my favorite pieces of art ever.

[ReXspec]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

jreezy wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Sophism is not a word in any dictionary, anywhere.

soph·ism   [sof-iz-uhm] Show IPA noun 1. a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone. 2. any false argument; fallacy.

He didn't type "sophism". Did you change his post?

Sophism is the correct version. Apparently I can't even misspell words when I'm trying to.

It still made you look like a world-class moron.  Good job failing at appearing to be too "deep" or "intellectual" for us peons.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

You again equate crude sexuality with an intellectual debate.

You devolve so quickly.

[ReXspec]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

You obviously don't believe what you type.  Keep trying.  You are almost there!

[Captain Noodle]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

We're not bashing you for liking the ending.

We're bashing you because you suck at debate.

[Reorte]

When I see some of the very stupid trolling going on in this thread I almost feel sorry for the (rather small in number) pro-enders who have tried to discuss it rationally. It can't be easy with people like Tuchanka on your side.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

You again equate crude sexuality with an intellectual debate.

You devolve so quickly.

From the guy whose name litterally means a behavior that is either too sacred or too accursed for ordinary individuals to undertake. Sorta like a gangbang.

[Taboo]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

You again equate crude sexuality with an intellectual debate.

You devolve so quickly.

From the guy whose name litterally means a behavior that is either too sacred or too accursed for ordinary individuals to undertake. Sorta like a gangbang.

If you would like to discuss the merits of what is and what is not healthy sexual behavior I suggest you leave the BSN.

You are now insulting my username. You again keep proving that you are a textbook example of an argument devolution.

[Taboo]

jreezy wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I look to liking if looking liking do.

^ That's a Shakespeare quote. One of my favorites. How's that for English?

I hate it when things sound familiar and I can't recall where I heard it. What play is that from?

Romeo and Juliet.

[GDK]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

You again equate crude sexuality with an intellectual debate.

You devolve so quickly.

From the guy whose name litterally means a behavior that is either too sacred or too accursed for ordinary individuals to undertake. Sorta like a gangbang.

I can't even attempt to argue intellectually with you anymore. Since you've decided to ingore every valid point I've made here, I'll just revert to classic internet.

[Captain Noodle]

Taboo-XX wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I look to liking if looking liking do.

^ That's a Shakespeare quote. One of my favorites. How's that for English?

I hate it when things sound familiar and I can't recall where I heard it. What play is that from?

Romeo and Juliet.

It's been a while since I've read R&J, is that from the beginning when a couple of Montagues and Capulets are feuding, or does Mercutio say that?

[VibrantYacht]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

VibrantYacht wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

VibrantYacht wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

It's still art. And Mass Effect 3 is both art. And successful art. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

You mean... the target audience? It doesn't matter what the target audience says?... Is that what was just said?

 It doesn't matter what the non-casuals say. They aren't the target audience anymore.

I accept the point that casual fans are now the target audience (that being said, can't you understand why the former diehard fans are angry?). You don't think there are casual fans that are angry? Are you a casual fan? I'd argue not, as you are currently on the forum of the video game developers website. Why does your opinion matter if you are a non-casual?

Do I understand why the diehard fans are angry? They don't even understand why they're angry. There hasn't been ONE cohesive reason given. Everyone has their opinions and they're all different. No different than any other game.

... I'm not sure where you've been or how you can believe what your saying. The ending to ME3 has so many problems that a multiple new threads are created on a daily basis bringing more flaws to light. There can't be a cohesive reason given as it would be too long, though if you want one the common complaint is that the ending lacks what made the series great: player's choice effecting outcomes, the characters we've come to know and love, and a multitude of storytelling issues.

My personal statement on the first of those is: The ending should be a result of our choices, not a choice itself. When it is a choice by itself, all previous choices are nullified. The second one was summed up nicely in Mr.Btongue's video. BioWare doesn't seem to note the great importance of their characters. We care about them (some perhaps too much) and we don't know what happens to them. For all we know they could be trapped on a planet filled with thosuands of thresher maws or something to that effect. I know you'll say that it could be just as likely that they're on a paradise planet. That may be possible but the fact is we don't know, and I'd rather not leave it up to me to imagine what happens to them. We don't listen to stories to fill in spots that should be filled in for us. That's not because of audience stupidity, it's because that is what is expected of the author (though there are, of course, exceptions), and what has been expected for a very long time. Certainly in some cases, ambiguity works, but not here, not in a video game where our choices supposedly affect the outcome of everyone around us. It is surrounded by a mess of illogicity. Some questions repeatedly brought up are: How does shooting a tube destroy all sythetic life? How does jumping into a beam merge all organic and synthetic life? How does grabbing two handles give Shepard control of the Reapers? The catalyst claims that the citadel is part of himself then moments later claims he IS the citadel? Aren't those contradictory? Of the three options the catalyst presents, two of them are options that only villains (ultimately the reapers) have supported, yet the supposedly worst option is the one every single ally and squadmate supported. What up with that? That's a sampling of why people are frustrated. 

The people that are mad are fans who want the best for Mass Effect, this group eventually reached great heights of anger due to poor handling on the side of BioWare's PR team. I understand their silence now, but I didn't understand it at the beginning (please do not make this statement the focal point of your response). Anyway, I hope that provides, not only reasons fans are angry, but the view that not everyone who dislikes the endings wants to see BioWare crash and burn.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

You again equate crude sexuality with an intellectual debate.

You devolve so quickly.

From the guy whose name litterally means a behavior that is either too sacred or too accursed for ordinary individuals to undertake. Sorta like a gangbang.

If you would like to discuss the merits of what is and what is not healthy sexual behavior I suggest you leave the BSN.

You are now insulting my username. You again keep proving that you are a textbook example of an argument devolution.

Boy you sure love that word. And you throw it around like, hm, and insult. Could it be that you're masking your equally "devolutionary" ways with passive aggression? Possibly because you're afraid of some sort of reprecussion? Like banning or suspension? Oh golly gee! You don't want that. Then you couldn't discuss something you don't like all day.

Modifié par From Tuchanka with Love, 14 mai 2012 - 12:55 .

[Taboo]

Captain Noodle wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I look to liking if looking liking do.

^ That's a Shakespeare quote. One of my favorites. How's that for English?

I hate it when things sound familiar and I can't recall where I heard it. What play is that from?

Romeo and Juliet.

It's been a while since I've read R&J, is that from the beginning when a couple of Montagues and Capulets are feuding, or does Mercutio say that?

Juliet says it to her Nurse before she goes to the party.

[ReXspec]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

No, no. The lemmings have to swim together because you share the same opinion. So you must bash anyone who disagrees with you. It's cool, I'll be Sasha Grey in your little Mass Effect gangbang. I really don't mind. I believe in my opinion as strongly as you believe in someone elses.

You again equate crude sexuality with an intellectual debate.

You devolve so quickly.

From the guy whose name litterally means a behavior that is either too sacred or too accursed for ordinary individuals to undertake. Sorta like a gangbang.

lol You are setting up for thread derailment, dude.  I highly suggest you quit while your ahead.  Preferrably by leaving BSN.

[Captain Noodle]

Imperium Alpha wrote...



Niak Niak.

No! Don't encourage him!