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[Ytook]

devSin wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Is this the deleted tweet in question?

No, it was just imprecise wording from @masseffect.

They basically said they always had big plans for ME3. (And they do.)

They weren't actually talking about the extended cut specifically. They were still trying to obfuscate, and people misinterpreted it.

The extended cut was never planned. It exists only because the ending turned out to be such a colossal failure.

Actually somebody asked if they were referring to the EC in that tweet and the confirmed they were, I've seen screen caps of it but don't have them myself.

[Kunari801]

JasonSic wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Hudson has stated that there will be no games after 3, only prequels.

Can you link me to this?

Up until star-brat shows up ME3 was going great!   Then you get star-brat....  

-I'm good with a bittersweet ending, I was prepared for my Shepard to die at the end but not like that... 

-I'm good with an open ending, but one that makes sense and gives enough closure.  ME3 should end with a sense of Victory, you ended the Reaper threat yet no matter the color, ME3 leaves me feeling hollow and depressed

At this point it's EC or bust for my relationship with BW. 

[TSA_383]

Thornne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...
Not yet, without being able to have legendsaves with the game "the same" up until just before the ending, it's difficult to see which variables are which, since almost every conversation you have changes something...

Can't you just:

1) Play the game up to the point in question.

2) Make a Saved Game, and make a copy of "legendsaves" at the same time.

3) Play the ending one way and again, make another saved copy of "legendsaves" (i.e. legendsaves.red, green, or blue).

4) Revert back to saved game and copy of this file made in step #2.

5) Repeat for each desired ending?

No, but what would work as far as I can tell is this:

-Play a new game up until right before the cerberus base.
-Save
-Distribute that save file to a few different people with different origin accounts.
-All seperately play through the ending, making sure that every decision made is the same except the one you're trying to find.
-Upload LegendSave files, compare.


That's the ideal, unfortunately it's irritating as hell to implement

ReggarBlane wrote...

Fair warning: This might fall under
"reverse engineering", something that they officially frown at (and have
done nothing about in the past).

Pretty sure this doesn't
come under that definition, I'm not attempting to alter and redistribute
their work, I just want to examine their save files at the code level.

Modifié par TSA_383, 14 mai 2012 - 10:32 .

[Cattt]

If it's freezing at the grandpa scene when the legend file is deleted, could it have something to do with the fact that it's an imported Shep game? The winter/grandpa scene is only there for ME2 or NG+ Shep imports.

[TSA_383]

Cattt wrote...

If it's freezing at the grandpa scene when the legend file is deleted, could it have something to do with the fact that it's an imported Shep game? The winter/grandpa scene is only there for ME2 or NG+ Shep imports.

Really?
I wasn't aware of that, are you sure?

[ryuasiu]

pirate1802 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I think this is a fascinating idea, because, if you're going to throw in a plot twist that makes certain choices negative, the problem is that the majority of players will go back and make a different choice.

If the EC forces people to live with the consequences of their decisions....well...wow.
That's another thing that's not really been done before.

Does anyone have multiple LegendSave files from different characters? I'm assuming it's possible to do one per career...

Haha indeed it would be awsome if the force the player to live with their decisions. I have 4 completed legendsaves, I'll send them to you as soon as possible.

Not really, when I first hit the endings I was majorly confused and and lost. ***** off I just ran to synth. It was not till the morning I went back and made a 'real' choice. I don't want to be punished becuase my first choice was bassed off confusion and anger

[LazyTechGuy]

Would be interesting if the Stargazer scene is freezing up without a LegendSave file because it's trying to look for those save assets to load some future DLC (EC?) that follows this scene.

Grandpa Aldrin did say he had one more story.

[Sublyminal]

TSA_383 wrote...

Cattt wrote...

If it's freezing at the grandpa scene when the legend file is deleted, could it have something to do with the fact that it's an imported Shep game? The winter/grandpa scene is only there for ME2 or NG+ Shep imports.

Really?
I wasn't aware of that, are you sure?

He is incorrect, the stargazer seen is there no matter what. Played a non-imported Shep and still got it. You need the new game+ to get the best ending which is Shep breathing. 

[DirtyPhoenix]

Cattt wrote...

If it's freezing at the grandpa scene when the legend file is deleted, could it have something to do with the fact that it's an imported Shep game? The winter/grandpa scene is only there for ME2 or NG+ Shep imports.

That is not true. i started a fresh ME3 game and still got the grandpa scene.

[UrgentArchengel]

Bump! Even though I play on Xbox, I can still help out.

[ardias89]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Wowky wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I think this is a fascinating idea, because, if you're going to throw in a plot twist that makes certain choices negative, the problem is that the majority of players will go back and make a different choice.

If the EC forces people to live with the consequences of their decisions....well...wow.
That's another thing that's not really been done before.

Does anyone have multiple LegendSave files from different characters? I'm assuming it's possible to do one per career...

Man if that's what ends up happening: ****. ****ing. ****. *bows to Bioware*

This is exactly what I've been saying since the inception of the IT and the annoumcement of EC


I don't understand why so many people think that IT implies that Destroy is the only correct ending and the other two are you failing indoc....there's no way for people to know what comes next if indoc theory is true, so idk where they got the "IT says there one correct ending" idea


That's never the way I've interpreted the IT.....I just thought of the Breathe Scene as Canon for every ending(but its an Easter egg and only shown in the Destroy ending because the stipulation to seeing it is sticking to your gunsand having high EMS)....sorta like seeing the extended "Canon" ending in Halo3 when the only way to see it is beating the hardest difficulty


If the IT is true, I always figured they'd release the DLC, Shepard wakes up no matter what you chose.....and then you go on to finish the fight but the Choice you made will somehow factor into the true ending......

All of this is only my interpretation of the IT....I hope the EC proves the IT true, but I highly doubt it.....in which case we'll have to take the endings at face value, and when you do that, they are ultimately awful....

Lol good to see im not the only one who had that thought. When i
completed my first playthrough i choose the green ending because i
thought i signaled the Reapers that we wanted peace. I saw it as a test
of faith and morale and was of course hughly dissapointed.

Why did i think that? I actually had a theory that the Reapers wanted
genetic materiale to evolve but still were just machines that wanted to
eksist and felt threatende by organics. A thing that i saw both
destruction and control as. But as i saw i was wrong. /cry

Modifié par ardias89, 15 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[edisnooM]

I have absolutely no idea if this means anything or not, but I just tried opening one of my Xbox Legend.xbsav files in Gibbed and it gave an error, however other normal saves from the same Shepard open fine.

Also opening the file in Notepad++ (hardly scientific I know) has a lot of NULL characters as it can't read most of it, but interspersed seems to be plot point, scene, and location names, as well as what looks like names of character features such as eyes, mouth, chin, etc.

[B3ckett]

Meh.
Finishing the game = Shepard's a legend, according to the DLC screen.
It a distinct save recorded after game completion.
I wouldn't dig too deep into it.

[Erield]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I don't understand why so many people think that IT implies that Destroy is the only correct ending and the other two are you failing indoc....there's no way for people to know what comes next if indoc theory is true, so idk where they got the "IT says there one correct ending" idea

That's never the way I've interpreted the IT.....I just thought of the Breathe Scene as Canon for every ending(but its an Easter egg and only shown in the Destroy ending because the stipulation to seeing it is sticking to your gunsand having high EMS)....sorta like seeing the extended "Canon" ending in Halo3 when the only way to see it is beating the hardest difficulty

People think that because that is literally what IT proponents say.  There are some outlier theories that are presented, where if you choose Synthesis then it shows you want some kind of peace or whatever, but how often is that idea brought up or presented?  How often is "If you didn't choose Destroy you were Indoctrinated" presented?  Right.  One versus 91875987.  From what I've seen in pro-IT threads, there's actually more debate on why this is true than if it is.  I seriously do not understand how you can incorporate the primary tenets of IT with the belief that choosing Control or Synthesis also has you rejecting/fighting off the Indoctrination. 

The difference between the endings of ME3 and the ending of Halo 3 is pretty simple: in two of the endings of ME3, we see Shepard disintegrating into molecules before our very eyes.  We kinda don't see that happen in Destroy, or with Master Chief.  With medium to low EMS, it's assumed that Shepard dies with Destroy choice too, but we never actually see him die in that ending. This leaves the possibility for them to show a scene where he lives; to show him waking up living with high EMS after choosing Synthesis or Control would throw even more confusion into the works than is already there.

I swear, the hardest part about arguing against IT is that all too often when you try to pin down what the fans of the theory actually believe you get dozens of responses, them ignoring your arguments/counter-arguments, or flamed.

[Mobius-Silent]

Ytook wrote...

devSin wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Is this the deleted tweet in question?

No, it was just imprecise wording from @masseffect.

They basically said they always had big plans for ME3. (And they do.)

They weren't actually talking about the extended cut specifically. They were still trying to obfuscate, and people misinterpreted it.

The extended cut was never planned. It exists only because the ending turned out to be such a colossal failure.

Actually somebody asked if they were referring to the EC in that tweet and the confirmed they were, I've seen screen caps of it but don't have them myself.

The EC wasn't planned from the start: https://twitter.com/...311929787580417

Jonathan Baldwin ‏ @Xarathos @GambleMike @NBego Curiosity: does this suggest the Extended Cut was always planned, but the timing changed to meet unexpected demand?

Michael Gamble @GambleMike @Xarathos @NBego not necessarily always planned, no. but we are adjusting other DLC to make sure we get this out ASAP.

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 15 mai 2012 - 08:51 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Erield wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I don't understand why so many people think that IT implies that Destroy is the only correct ending and the other two are you failing indoc....there's no way for people to know what comes next if indoc theory is true, so idk where they got the "IT says there one correct ending" idea

That's never the way I've interpreted the IT.....I just thought of the Breathe Scene as Canon for every ending(but its an Easter egg and only shown in the Destroy ending because the stipulation to seeing it is sticking to your gunsand having high EMS)....sorta like seeing the extended "Canon" ending in Halo3 when the only way to see it is beating the hardest difficulty

People think that because that is literally what IT proponents say.  There are some outlier theories that are presented, where if you choose Synthesis then it shows you want some kind of peace or whatever, but how often is that idea brought up or presented?  How often is "If you didn't choose Destroy you were Indoctrinated" presented?  Right.  One versus 91875987.  From what I've seen in pro-IT threads, there's actually more debate on why this is true than if it is.  I seriously do not understand how you can incorporate the primary tenets of IT with the belief that choosing Control or Synthesis also has you rejecting/fighting off the Indoctrination. 

The difference between the endings of ME3 and the ending of Halo 3 is pretty simple: in two of the endings of ME3, we see Shepard disintegrating into molecules before our very eyes.  We kinda don't see that happen in Destroy, or with Master Chief.  With medium to low EMS, it's assumed that Shepard dies with Destroy choice too, but we never actually see him die in that ending. This leaves the possibility for them to show a scene where he lives; to show him waking up living with high EMS after choosing Synthesis or Control would throw even more confusion into the works than is already there.

I swear, the hardest part about arguing against IT is that all too often when you try to pin down what the fans of the theory actually believe you get dozens of responses, them ignoring your arguments/counter-arguments, or flamed.

The IT is certainly a lot more flexible than a lot of its supporters suggest and I do believe that the way BioWare would implement it would leave room for all three choices to go towards ending the conflict in some way or another because ultimately even though the choice as presented may be false due to indoctrination attempts even defeat can have unforseen consequences for the reapers...the example I gave before was the way the Matrix Revolutions ended.

Now as far as the strong belief that only Destroy is the only valid choice I deffinitely see it....while it could be wrong I don't think it will be worse than the others but also depends on implementation. The belief roots in the factors that Shepard can only survive by choosing destroy and the fact that if you choose either control or synthesis right before Shepard's body completely turns to ashes you see his eyes turn glowing blue with the three dots like the illusive man's and BioWare has shown deliberate intent that the eyes deffinitely DO mean indoctrination in a short article they wrote for the CE of the Official Strategy Guide called "It's in the eyes" and uses a picture of TIM. This is another direct BioWare source that completely convinces me they meant IT and will implemet IT in some way though probably very different playouts than most IT supporters expect.

Now my personal stance on the choice bit is that ultimately there is an indoctrination attempt going on there with the star brat and to me the best way to resist it is by rejecting its solutions....we just got over talking TIM and Saren to death on both control and synthesis respectively so it makes no sense for me to go there when Shepard can't even think straight and ask the logical questions or actually go into a huge argument with the catalyst. If the reapers just wanted to sit down and talk without the indoctrination bit and got off their high horses and genuinely shared informations on possible resolutions I might take them more seriously and I might even go for something other than destroy. It remains to be seen how BioWare will play this out in the EC but I still think it's unlikely they can change the stance of most people on this issue....IT or not.

[Darth_Trethon]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

The EC wasn't planned from the start: https://twitter.com/...311929787580417

Jonathan Baldwin ‏ @Xarathos @GambleMike @NBego Curiosity: does this suggest the Extended Cut was always planned, but the timing changed to meet unexpected demand?

Michael Gamble @GambleMike @Xarathos @NBego not necessarily always planned, no. but we are adjusting other DLC to make sure we get this out ASAP.

Interesting choice of words there....he does't deny it. He says "not necessarily"....I fully believe they didn't have time to finish the ending and were expecting there might be enough lashback to require ending DLC so they likely had some drafts and possible fixes written up but it certainly seems they didn't expect the lashback to be so enormous that they'd have to completely bring everything else to a halt and get this done fast.

There was a leak of a would be BioWare DLC list just before release in early March that listed ending DLC as planned along with the usual suspects like Omega DLC(hell Aria clearly tells you, "DLC goe here" lol) and LI DLC and such....at the time I didn't know the full details of the endings so wasn't yet pissed off at them but I remember thing it looked very legit and seemed likely true.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 15 mai 2012 - 09:34 .

[BackwardsMan4TW]

If somebody has the strategy guide, check the section near the end that gives you spoilers about the ending. I was flipping through a copy at walmart the other day and it said something like,

"If you get +4000 (5000?) EMS and beat the game, then go back and replay the game from just before the Cerberus Base assault, then you'll unlock a secret in Liara's cabin."

Or something like that. I would not be surprised if I got many of the details wrong, but I'm pretty sure it said legendsave just dealt with some unlockable.

[Darth_Trethon]

BackwardsMan4TW wrote...

If somebody has the strategy guide, check the section near the end that gives you spoilers about the ending. I was flipping through a copy at walmart the other day and it said something like,

"If you get +4000 (5000?) EMS and beat the game, then go back and replay the game from just before the Cerberus Base assault, then you'll unlock a secret in Liara's cabin."

Or something like that. I would not be surprised if I got many of the details wrong, but I'm pretty sure it said legendsave just dealt with some unlockable.

Hmm interesting. I'd check it out but unfortunately I had to pack and ship all my stuff yesterday as I'm in the middle of a big move that will take a while to complete and my CE of the ME3 OSG went with my stuff.

[Alienboy411676]

BackwardsMan4TW wrote...

If somebody has the strategy guide, check the section near the end that gives you spoilers about the ending. I was flipping through a copy at walmart the other day and it said something like,

"If you get +4000 (5000?) EMS and beat the game, then go back and replay the game from just before the Cerberus Base assault, then you'll unlock a secret in Liara's cabin."

Or something like that. I would not be surprised if I got many of the details wrong, but I'm pretty sure it said legendsave just dealt with some unlockable.

I'm looking at the strategy guide now.  The "secret" in Liara's cabin it is talking about is the Prejek Paddle Fish bonus.  If you import an ME2 save where Shepherd purchased the fish and it survives all the way through ME3 AND ME3 NG+...you get a special intel bonus.  

It says nothing about legendsave btw.

Modifié par Alienboy411676, 15 mai 2012 - 11:24 .

[Alienboy411676]

TSA_383 wrote...

Cattt wrote...

If it's freezing at the grandpa scene when the legend file is deleted, could it have something to do with the fact that it's an imported Shep game? The winter/grandpa scene is only there for ME2 or NG+ Shep imports.

Really?
I wasn't aware of that, are you sure?

I don't do a whole lot of forum stuff on the Internet, but I was told that a "Dev" reply is a reply from a Developer.  I posted a thread not long ago in which the only reply I got was from a "Dev" which pretty well answers your question...

http://social.biowar.../index/11858256

The "dev" states that the "stargazer" scene IS only there for ME2 and NG+ imports.

[wryterra]

Alienboy411676 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Cattt wrote...

If it's freezing at the grandpa scene when the legend file is deleted, could it have something to do with the fact that it's an imported Shep game? The winter/grandpa scene is only there for ME2 or NG+ Shep imports.

Really?
I wasn't aware of that, are you sure?

I don't do a whole lot of forum stuff on the Internet, but I was told that a "Dev" reply is a reply from a Developer.  I posted a thread not long ago in which the only reply I got was from a "Dev" which pretty well answers your question...

http://social.biowar.../index/11858256

The "dev" states that the "stargazer" scene IS only there for ME2 and NG+ imports.

Developers have a big 'BioWare' logo under their portraits. Someone with the word 'dev' in their name is just someone with the word 'dev' in their name. 

[Erield]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Now my personal stance on the choice bit is that ultimately there is an indoctrination attempt going on there with the star brat and to me the best way to resist it is by rejecting its solutions....we just got over talking TIM and Saren to death on both control and synthesis respectively so it makes no sense for me to go there when Shepard can't even think straight and ask the logical questions or actually go into a huge argument with the catalyst. If the reapers just wanted to sit down and talk without the indoctrination bit and got off their high horses and genuinely shared informations on possible resolutions I might take them more seriously and I might even go for something other than destroy. It remains to be seen how BioWare will play this out in the EC but I still think it's unlikely they can change the stance of most people on this issue....IT or not.

My earlier post showed me venting a bit more frustration than I intended to with the "moving target" that is IT.  I'm sure a large part of that is that it takes me awhile to formulate an opinion on anything, because I do my utmost to avoid snap judgements, I like to understand all sides, etc.  Being unable to pin down exactly what constitutes IT increases the difficulty in evaluating it as a possibility as a whole.  Parabolee's (I'm sure I just butchered their name...) blog actually does a great job of presenting the argument for IT, and so that's what I have started considering "official."  Anyway, enough about me.

Even though I reject IT, it is my fervent desire to also reject the Star Kid, partly for the very reasons I have bolded.  It's easy to reject Control or Synthesis and thus choose Destroy as the lesser of known evils, but I feel that even in this case we fall into the Reaper "trap."  It is still the Reapers presenting our options, and Shepard is still picking one of them.  The fact that one of those choice seems to result in the destruction of the person presenting the choices (a form of suicide) is just as flawed to me as the presentation of a choice that I rejected literally 4 minutes prior.  Regardless, that's not the point of this thread, is it?

On-topic:  What program are people using to be able to see the actual values, etc. that are listed in the file?  As someone else in the thread did before me, I checked the two files that I have using notepad.  There was a lot of garbage, but enough was clear to realize that it was basically saving a "snapshot" of your character.  Upgrades and romance status were the easy ones to determine.  It looked like there was also possible flags for conversations with Hackett and Anderson while on the Normandy, and a bunch of other stuff that was too nebulous to tell for sure.  Unfortunately, it's notepad, so it sucked hehe.

[Mcfly616]

Erield wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I don't understand why so many people think that IT implies that Destroy is the only correct ending and the other two are you failing indoc....there's no way for people to know what comes next if indoc theory is true, so idk where they got the "IT says there one correct ending" idea

That's never the way I've interpreted the IT.....I just thought of the Breathe Scene as Canon for every ending(but its an Easter egg and only shown in the Destroy ending because the stipulation to seeing it is sticking to your gunsand having high EMS)....sorta like seeing the extended "Canon" ending in Halo3 when the only way to see it is beating the hardest difficulty

People think that because that is literally what IT proponents say.  There are some outlier theories that are presented, where if you choose Synthesis then it shows you want some kind of peace or whatever, but how often is that idea brought up or presented?  How often is "If you didn't choose Destroy you were Indoctrinated" presented?  Right.  One versus 91875987.  From what I've seen in pro-IT threads, there's actually more debate on why this is true than if it is.  I seriously do not understand how you can incorporate the primary tenets of IT with the belief that choosing Control or Synthesis also has you rejecting/fighting off the Indoctrination. 

The difference between the endings of ME3 and the ending of Halo 3 is pretty simple: in two of the endings of ME3, we see Shepard disintegrating into molecules before our very eyes.  We kinda don't see that happen in Destroy, or with Master Chief.  With medium to low EMS, it's assumed that Shepard dies with Destroy choice too, but we never actually see him die in that ending. This leaves the possibility for them to show a scene where he lives; to show him waking up living with high EMS after choosing Synthesis or Control would throw even more confusion into the works than is already there.

I swear, the hardest part about arguing against IT is that all too often when you try to pin down what the fans of the theory actually believe you get dozens of responses, them ignoring your arguments/counter-arguments, or flamed.

There's nothing to say he fails indoctrination and stays locked in his own head if he chooses Control or Synthesis....and if IT were true, I find it highly unlikely that Bioware would make an add on dlc where only one choice was viable to continue.....


If IT is true, then there is nothing saying that the current last 10 minutes weren't a hallucination, and that the Reapers were testing you on what decision you would ultimately make(like espionage, they're figuring out what your planning to do, or would do if given the choice)....


There's nothing saying he doesn't wake up after whatever choice he makes and then that decision still ultimately plays into the ending in some way.....


And you know why there's no way of saying any of this isnt the way it is? Because none of us know....if IT is true, nobody knows what comes next.....


Idk, I been around since the IT started, and back 2 months ago, alot more people saw it this way.....but now its turned into this "Destroy is the only correct ending" crap in every thread I read about IT these days......people didn't always view it that way....


But its w.e I'm not going to conform to the current popular opinion....I like my initial interpretation of the theory....for the reasons state above

[Alienboy411676]

[quote]WE_Belisarius wrote...
snip[/quote]

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But
within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the
way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will
make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does." Said by BW at 2011,so answer is yes they sold us uncomplete game  

Im completing game with my perfect save ,so ill upload legend save when im finished


[/quote]
Well, sadly BioWare sad alot of thinks and proofe themselves wrong later. They have lost my trust and I don´t want my hopes crushed again, so I will patiently wait for the EC. My expactations are pretty low right now, but who knows, maybe they can surprise us all and fix this mess somehow. IT has some good evidence

[/quote]

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I just watched the video in which BW supposedly says that, and I'm fairly certain he's saying "I CAN tell you...," HOWEVER, is it possible that the end is on the disc and we just can't access it until a DLC comes out?  BTW, I am not a supporter of IT, and no I am not a close-minded person who doesn't know anything about it because I have read many articles on it and watched many LONG videos describing it.  IT is a good theory, I'm just one of those people who think it's been over-analyzed and overly discussed to the point that I'd rather see BW pull out an even bigger twist for the ending that none of us have conceived of yet.  

Modifié par Alienboy411676, 15 mai 2012 - 11:51 .