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[Bill Casey]

The legend save is for the first time you beat the game, regardless of choice...
Still thinking it's for data recording purposes...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

liggy002 wrote...
I see.  I was mistaken then.  However, why else would they have a legend save if they already have the DLC and new game plus covered with other save files?  I don't believe that it was done for stat tracking purposes.  I think that the EC was planned and that something big is coming in the EC.  You only get one chance to make the correct decision and this is a wise marketing decision on their behalf because that means that you'll have to play more multiplayer to keep your EMS up if you didn't choose destroy the first time around.  You'll have to play through the entire game again so this extends the amount of time that the player has to rely on Multiplayer.  EA and their dirty tricks, I swear.

  And another thing... the idea that they would screw the ending up like that and just attempt to explain it doesn't make any sense.  They'll naturally want to maximize the replayability of the game so they can capitalize on the Multiplayer.  There is too much money to be made for them to not address the issue of the ending and even for them not to give us more gameplay after the ending.

Oh sweet jesus. If this turns out to be the case, I'm...
It's irritating enough that multiplayer would impact the single player game at all. But if it turns out to be... mandatory? That would be beyond outrageous. If they think fans are upset now... So I will continue to believe that this just wouldn't be the case until proven otherwise.

[liggy002]

Bill Casey wrote...

The legend save is for the first time you beat the game, regardless of choice...
Still thinking it's for data recording purposes...

Yeah, it could be.  It would be a better marketing decision if it was for preplanned EC content though.  Extended post ending content would increase the appeal of replaying the game for many players.  This, in turn, could translate to many Multiplayer profits.  It makes more business sense that it was for preplanned EC as opposed to simple stat tracking.  Besides, with so many players dead set against that ending, not many are likely to buy DLC.  However, if they add in post game content that lets you tackle the Reapers, there is now a far more appealing reason to play the game again and thus buy more DLC.

[TSA_383]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

liggy002 wrote...
I see.  I was mistaken then.  However, why else would they have a legend save if they already have the DLC and new game plus covered with other save files?  I don't believe that it was done for stat tracking purposes.  I think that the EC was planned and that something big is coming in the EC.  You only get one chance to make the correct decision and this is a wise marketing decision on their behalf because that means that you'll have to play more multiplayer to keep your EMS up if you didn't choose destroy the first time around.  You'll have to play through the entire game again so this extends the amount of time that the player has to rely on Multiplayer.  EA and their dirty tricks, I swear.

  And another thing... the idea that they would screw the ending up like that and just attempt to explain it doesn't make any sense.  They'll naturally want to maximize the replayability of the game so they can capitalize on the Multiplayer.  There is too much money to be made for them to not address the issue of the ending and even for them not to give us more gameplay after the ending.

Oh sweet jesus. If this turns out to be the case, I'm...
It's irritating enough that multiplayer would impact the single player game at all. But if it turns out to be... mandatory? That would be beyond outrageous. If they think fans are upset now... So I will continue to believe that this just wouldn't be the case until proven otherwise.

You better believe it, I've not seen a single estimate of bioware points sales from multiplayer that comes in at under $1million/week.
And based on that... It's EA, dude
I had a go at explaining from my perspective as a wankerinvestor why I think it's likely to be a highly successful model, if a total kick-in-the-ghoulies for gamers:
http://social.biowar.../index/12128204

Mcfly616 wrote...

Wow....hmm so am I getting this wrong, or it only happens during imported saves or NG+....right?

It only occurs during the Destroy ending?


Well
that answers it....not hard to see if this is the case......the
LegendSave is for the Breathe Scene(which doesn't give us anything we
didn't know yet)....



Unless I missed something.....

http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/12038643/7#12147863

^Not quite.

[Ravereth]

Guys I just beat the game for the second time and I'm really sorry, but there's nothing interesting about this LegendSave...

I'm sure about this, because I made a very long brake (21 IV - 19V) before playing Priority Earth mission and my LegendSave's last modified date is 21 IV not 19 V...

LegendSave is just the save which you can use to play DLCs and the game creates it before the Cronos Station mission...



It does make sens, doesn't it?

*sigh*

[MegumiAzusa]

No it's not created when you assault the Cronos Station (you can easily check that when you look at how much cash you have) and it can be overwritten.

Elire_23_Adept_050512_2f6dad9 is based on Elire_23_Adept_160312_3bcdec7 (NG+) and as you can see the dates are older than the LegendSave.
Also there is no need for a special save to play DLCs, ME2 shows you they just integrate into the story as missions you can do.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 20 mai 2012 - 12:24 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

[MegumiAzusa]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

No it's created when finishing a playthrough. Right after clicking continue on the pad to be exact.

[Xellith]

TSA_383 wrote...

The LegendSave file only ever writes once per character, so it saves your initial choice.

Therefore, if you get to the EC and find that you made the wrong decision, you can't just load to before the cerberus base and have another go

If you delete it, the character stops working - you can't get past the end credits.
It's a mean trick but god damn will it be funny if it is as we suspect come EC release.

The only way to confirm what I was trying to do with this thread then, is to take a new character that's not reached the ending before and try playing to the end on destroy, control and synthesis using different people on different origin accounts.


Therefore if anyone has a new save that's approaching the end with high EMS, if you could post a save file in here before you do the last mission that'd be just grand

Seriously?

PS.

I have a character. Male shepard, Soldier, Earth Born, Survivor, Paragon, with EVERY single quest done for ME1, ME2 and ME3.  The character is saved before the cerberus mission just chillin lol.  I tried using gibbed to alter my save files EMS score.  However I think the game locks in your EMS data to generate variables for the entire length of the mission post cerberus base.  This would mean having to play the entire cerberus base (maybe) and priority earth to check different amounts of EMS... I might have to do this for materials lol.

Someone correct me if I have that EMS thing wrong.

http://www.mediafire...8hrboa9ba9201gs

Modifié par Xellith, 20 mai 2012 - 02:00 .

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

No it's created when finishing a playthrough. Right after clicking continue on the pad to be exact.

IT or not, this save inticates that whatever is to come, will have content that will depend on your end choice. And it is something that was planned before the game was released, i.e. even before EC was supposedly decided upon.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 20 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[Ravereth]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

No it's created when finishing a playthrough. Right after clicking continue on the pad to be exact.

... I think that it is created before the cronos station mission, but it shows up after beating the game, because as I said my LegendSave's last modified date is 21 IV not 19 V as it should be...

[MaximizedAction]

Xellith wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

The LegendSave file only ever writes once per character, so it saves your initial choice.

Therefore, if you get to the EC and find that you made the wrong decision, you can't just load to before the cerberus base and have another go

If you delete it, the character stops working - you can't get past the end credits.
It's a mean trick but god damn will it be funny if it is as we suspect come EC release.

The only way to confirm what I was trying to do with this thread then, is to take a new character that's not reached the ending before and try playing to the end on destroy, control and synthesis using different people on different origin accounts.


Therefore if anyone has a new save that's approaching the end with high EMS, if you could post a save file in here before you do the last mission that'd be just grand

Seriously?

PS.

I have a character. Male shepard, Soldier, Earth Born, Survivor, Paragon, with EVERY single quest done for ME1, ME2 and ME3.  The character is saved before the cerberus mission just chillin lol.  I tried using gibbed to alter my save files EMS score.  However I think the game locks in your EMS data to generate variables for the entire length of the mission post cerberus base.  This would mean having to play the entire cerberus base (maybe) and priority earth to check different amounts of EMS... I might have to do this for materials lol.

Someone correct me if I have that EMS thing wrong.

http://www.mediafire...8hrboa9ba9201gs

Cool. Hey, TSA? How about we take this save and let 3 of us do the last missions?

[MegumiAzusa]

Ravereth wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

No it's created when finishing a playthrough. Right after clicking continue on the pad to be exact.

... I think that it is created before the cronos station mission, but it shows up after beating the game, because as I said my LegendSave's last modified date is 21 IV not 19 V as it should be...

You can't just hide a file. Also I was checking the end and LegendSave file at the time and the modified date on my screen is exactly when I clicked continue on the pad ingame.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

TSA_383 wrote...
You better believe it, I've not seen a single estimate of bioware points sales from multiplayer that comes in at under $1million/week.
And based on that... It's EA, dude
I had a go at explaining from my perspective as a wankerinvestor why I think it's likely to be a highly successful model, if a total kick-in-the-ghoulies for gamers:
http://social.biowar.../index/12128204

Thanks for that link. Read greedily and commented.

Now I must go wallow in gamer grief.

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 20 mai 2012 - 02:26 .

[Ravereth]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

No it's created when finishing a playthrough. Right after clicking continue on the pad to be exact.

... I think that it is created before the cronos station mission, but it shows up after beating the game, because as I said my LegendSave's last modified date is 21 IV not 19 V as it should be...

You can't just hide a file. Also I was checking the end and LegendSave file at the time and the modified date on my screen is exactly when I clicked continue on the pad ingame.

But why my LegendSave's date is different?

[Candoo]

TSA_383 wrote...

It's actually not even that.
The LegendSave file only ever writes once per character, so it saves your initial choice.

Therefore, if you get to the EC and find that you made the wrong decision, you can't just load to before the cerberus base and have another go

But, you could just delete all of your save folder, and start an entirely new game from scratch.

BTW, my LS file shows that it was created and last modified on 3 / 14. I did NOT finish the game until 3 / 16 (time constraints). During the game I made a number of manual saves, and I have 5 saves that I made on 3 /14. The time stamp on the LS save is in the middle of the 5. Could the LS save have anything to do with your "writing your name in the stars" conversation with Liara in your cabin?

[RebelTitan428]

my shepard took a breath in the rubble, and i tell you...when he gets up i'm knocking him back down. My Shep is dead, along with ME3 replayability

[MegumiAzusa]

Candoo wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

It's actually not even that.
The LegendSave file only ever writes once per character, so it saves your initial choice.

Therefore, if you get to the EC and find that you made the wrong decision, you can't just load to before the cerberus base and have another go

But, you could just delete all of your save folder, and start an entirely new game from scratch.

BTW, my LS file shows that it was created and last modified on 3 / 14. I did NOT finish the game until 3 / 16 (time constraints). During the game I made a number of manual saves, and I have 5 saves that I made on 3 /14. The time stamp on the LS save is in the middle of the 5. Could the LS save have anything to do with your "writing your name in the stars" conversation with Liara in your cabin?

Nope, finished that conversation some time ago, no LegendSave.

[Shepard Wins]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

No it's created when finishing a playthrough. Right after clicking continue on the pad to be exact.

IT or not, this save inticates that whatever is to come, will have content that will depend on your end choice. And it is something that was planned before the game was released, i.e. even before EC was supposedly decided upon.

They were awfully quick to agree to make the EC. I'm not getting my hopes up just in case but there is a chance that it has been planned all along.

[Candoo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Candoo wrote...

BTW, my LS file shows that it was created and last modified on 3 / 14. I did NOT finish the game until 3 / 16 (time constraints). During the game I made a number of manual saves, and I have 5 saves that I made on 3 /14. The time stamp on the LS save is in the middle of the 5. Could the LS save have anything to do with your "writing your name in the stars" conversation with Liara in your cabin?

Nope, finished that conversation some time ago, no LegendSave.

Well, I'm not sure at what point I was in the game before the LS save was created; I just haven't had the stomach to play again/more, but I do know that I hadn't finished the game yet.

[Candoo]

Shepard Wins wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Maybe it's created once you create/import a character. Or maybe it's nothing. Idk.

No it's created when finishing a playthrough. Right after clicking continue on the pad to be exact.

IT or not, this save inticates that whatever is to come, will have content that will depend on your end choice. And it is something that was planned before the game was released, i.e. even before EC was supposedly decided upon.

They were awfully quick to agree to make the EC. I'm not getting my hopes up just in case but there is a chance that it has been planned all along.

+1

[greatcrusader44]

Does anybody know if beating the game again after being sent back to Normandy after credits would change Legendsave? I mean let's say you realized you missed out on some war assets in some galaxy the first time, farmed it, and beat the game again. Wouldn't legendsave rewrite itself because now there is new data for the new stuff you did before cerberus assault?

[BladyMZ]

Ravereth wrote...

Guys I just beat the game for the second time and I'm really sorry, but there's nothing interesting about this LegendSave...

I'm sure about this, because I made a very long brake (21 IV - 19V) before playing Priority Earth mission and my LegendSave's last modified date is 21 IV not 19 V...

LegendSave is just the save which you can use to play DLCs and the game creates it before the Cronos Station mission...



It does make sens, doesn't it?

*sigh*

Almost sure you are right. You can also see how hours played change after completing the game, they count as you never reached Cronos. Its propably because game reads this "Legend" file, just before Cerberus HQ (which changes the narrative with moving the Citadel).

[greatcrusader44]

My post above is for the assumption that the legendsave is strictly only for loading you back up to Normandy after credits

[TSA_383]

BladyMZ wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Guys I just beat the game for the second time and I'm really sorry, but there's nothing interesting about this LegendSave...

I'm sure about this, because I made a very long brake (21 IV - 19V) before playing Priority Earth mission and my LegendSave's last modified date is 21 IV not 19 V...

LegendSave is just the save which you can use to play DLCs and the game creates it before the Cronos Station mission...



It does make sens, doesn't it?

*sigh*

Almost sure you are right. You can also see how hours played change after completing the game, they count as you never reached Cronos. Its propably because game reads this "Legend" file, just before Cerberus HQ (which changes the narrative with moving the Citadel).

Gibbed's editor can't read all the non-standard data in the legendsave file - nobody's made a legendsave editor because nobody has a damn clue what it does
Basically it's laid out similarly to a normal save, which is why the Gibbed tool can still find all the right values okay, but with some extra variables and other data that we don't yet understand.

Candoo wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

It's actually not even that.
The LegendSave file only ever writes once per character, so it saves your initial choice.

Therefore,
if you get to the EC and find that you made the wrong decision, you
can't just load to before the cerberus base and have another go [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

But, you could just delete all of your save folder, and start an entirely new game from scratch.

BTW,
my LS file shows that it was created and last modified on 3 / 14. I did
NOT finish the game until 3 / 16 (time constraints). During the game I
made a number of manual saves, and I have 5 saves that I made on 3 /14.
The time stamp on the LS save is in the middle of the 5. Could the LS
save have anything to do with your "writing your name in the stars"
conversation with Liara in your cabin?

Don't even
need to do that, just start a new character - you can have multiple LS
files as long as it's not more than 1 per character.

MaximizedAction wrote...

Xellith wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

The LegendSave file only ever writes once per character, so it saves your initial choice.

Therefore,
if you get to the EC and find that you made the wrong decision, you
can't just load to before the cerberus base and have another go [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

If you delete it, the character stops working - you can't get past the end credits.
It's a mean trick but god damn will it be funny if it is as we suspect come EC release.

The
only way to confirm what I was trying to do with this thread then, is
to take a new character that's not reached the ending before and try
playing to the end on destroy, control and synthesis using different
people on different origin accounts.


Therefore if anyone has a
new save that's approaching the end with high EMS, if you could post a
save file in here before you do the last mission that'd be just grand [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Seriously?

PS.

I
have a character. Male shepard, Soldier, Earth Born, Survivor, Paragon,
with EVERY single quest done for ME1, ME2 and ME3.  The character is
saved before the cerberus mission just chillin lol.  I tried using
gibbed to alter my save files EMS score.  However I think the game locks
in your EMS data to generate variables for the entire length of the
mission post cerberus base.  This would mean having to play the entire
cerberus base (maybe) and priority earth to check different amounts of
EMS... I might have to do this for materials lol.

Someone correct me if I have that EMS thing wrong.

http://www.mediafire...8hrboa9ba9201gs

Cool. Hey, TSA? How about we take this save and let 3 of us do the last missions?

Sure thing, was about to suggest it even 

Hey Xellith, I've not downloaded yet, what's the EMS on this one? I was hoping to try this with one that allows us to get the "breathe" scene, to see if the "shepalive" ending sets different values.

greatcrusader44 wrote...

My post above is for the
assumption that the legendsave is strictly only for loading you back up
to Normandy after credits

It's not, the game already creates files to do that...

Modifié par TSA_383, 20 mai 2012 - 03:49 .