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[Silhouett3]

You don't have to an expert in botany to realize they were no tropical plants anywhere else in the game. Maybe in Jacob's and Zaeed's loyalties back in ME2. Too bad I didn't take care to take many screenshots doing it at the time. Anywway, if they were taken from ME2, why were they renamed to "dream" instead of staying as... well... Jacob's plants:innocent:


The dream sequence plants:




The crash sequence plants:

[liggy002]

anorling wrote...





The 'dream_Foilage' isn't much proof. That stupid sequence was probably ment to be interpreted as a dream sequence. But not dream as in IT. More like dream as in Shepards dying minds last thought about his loved ones.




But I would like an answer to is how Shepard could survice the HUGE citadel explosion.
I mean. He didn't have much armor left to speak of. It was burnt and damaged. He had no helmet and no life support or protection left.




And yet this:

to give some perspective...



Leads to this?
[img]http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2792/shepardlives.jpg[img]


No, He should be vaporized. He would be vaporized instantly. But lets pretend he isn't, (and that close to breaking suspension of disbelief for me) he still have to survive going freefall in to earth orbit (with no armor to talk about this time) and crashing straight in to the ground at terminal velocity.
And this time he has to survive. Not dying and get resurrected two years later with the help of state of the art tech like the last time.

lol... I always laugh when people still try to tell me that Shepard is alive on the Citadel after that.

[jijeebo]

liggy002 wrote...

anorling wrote...





The 'dream_Foilage' isn't much proof. That stupid sequence was probably ment to be interpreted as a dream sequence. But not dream as in IT. More like dream as in Shepards dying minds last thought about his loved ones.




But I would like an answer to is how Shepard could survice the HUGE citadel explosion.
I mean. He didn't have much armor left to speak of. It was burnt and damaged. He had no helmet and no life support or protection left.




And yet this:

to give some perspective...



Leads to this?
[img]http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2792/shepardlives.jpg[img]


No, He should be vaporized. He would be vaporized instantly. But lets pretend he isn't, (and that close to breaking suspension of disbelief for me) he still have to survive going freefall in to earth orbit (with no armor to talk about this time) and crashing straight in to the ground at terminal velocity.
And this time he has to survive. Not dying and get resurrected two years later with the help of state of the art tech like the last time.

lol... I always laugh when people still try to tell me that Shepard is alive on the Citadel after that.

Maybe he hid in a vent?

[M Hedonist]

anorling wrote...

The 'dream_Foilage' isn't much proof. That stupid sequence was probably ment to be interpreted as a dream sequence. But not dream as in IT. More like dream as in Shepards dying minds last thoughts about his loved ones.

Why is your personal interpretation of the ending more probable than IT? It's just as baseless as IT.

[Peranor]

jijeebo wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

anorling wrote...





The 'dream_Foilage' isn't much proof. That stupid sequence was probably ment to be interpreted as a dream sequence. But not dream as in IT. More like dream as in Shepards dying minds last thoughts about his loved ones.




But I would like an answer to is how Shepard could survice the HUGE citadel explosion.
I mean. He didn't have much armor left to speak of. It was burnt and damaged. He had no helmet and no life support or protection left.




And yet this:

to give some perspective just how big the explosion is...



Leads to this?



No, He should be vaporized. He would be vaporized instantly. But lets pretend he isn't, (and that close to breaking suspension of disbelief for me) he still have to survive going freefall in to earth orbit (with no armor to talk about this time) and crashing straight in to the ground at terminal velocity.
And this time he has to survive. Not dying and get resurrected two years later with the help of state of the art tech and a terrorist group like the last time.

lol... I always laugh when people still try to tell me that Shepard is alive on the Citadel after that.

Maybe he hid in a vent?

Yeah. Or a fridge like Indy

[kumquats]

anorling wrote...
But I would like an answer to is how Shepard could survice the HUGE citadel explosion.
I mean. He didn't have much armor left to speak of. It was burnt and damaged. He had no helmet and no life support or protection left.

Why, is there a reason to think that Shepard couldn't leave the way he entered the Citadel?

[Mobius-Silent]

anorling wrote...
No, He should be vaporized. He would be vaporized instantly. But lets pretend he isn't, (and that close to breaking suspension of disbelief for me) he still have to survive going freefall in to earth orbit (with no armor to talk about this time) and crashing straight in to the ground at terminal velocity.
And this time he has to survive. Not dying and get resurrected two years later with the help of state of the art tech and a terrorist group like the last time.

The Citadel tower and Wards have emergency mass effect fields holding atmosphere in and emergency seals.
The chassis of the Citadel is stated as being virtually indestructable.
The explosion you show causes some of the ward arms to detach, it then dies down and shows the presidium ring as intact (It's difficult to see but you can still see the silhouette of the Citadel tower and the Crucible behind it.
Directly below Shepard were a number of processing rooms and below that was the space that was once filled with the Council administrative offices (That were built to fill the space in the Citadel tower) plenty of space for "space concrete" (Just like the Presidium)

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 14 mai 2012 - 09:58 .

[Peranor]

Sauruz wrote...

anorling wrote...

The 'dream_Foilage' isn't much proof. That stupid sequence was probably ment to be interpreted as a dream sequence. But not dream as in IT. More like dream as in Shepards dying minds last thoughts about his loved ones.

Why is your personal interpretation of the ending more probable than IT? It's just as baseless as IT.

Well. It wasn't a interpretation of the ending as much as it was an interpretation of the name of the textures for the plants. But yes. Im speculating just as much as everyone else.

[Seival]

Game assets' names prove nothing. And the entire IT is nonsense as synthesis ending. Shepard proved to be immune to indoctrination.

[Peranor]

kumquats wrote...

anorling wrote...
But I would like an answer to is how Shepard could survice the HUGE citadel explosion.
I mean. He didn't have much armor left to speak of. It was burnt and damaged. He had no helmet and no life support or protection left.

Why, is there a reason to think that Shepard couldn't leave the way he entered the Citadel?

For me it's this:
Shepard empties clip in pipe, triggers a big ass explosion that at least would knock him unconscious (no armor, remember). moments later the citadel goes kaboom. I just don't see how Shepard would make it out in time.

Modifié par anorling, 14 mai 2012 - 10:12 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Seival wrote...

Game assets' names prove nothing. And the entire IT is nonsense as synthesis ending. Shepard proved to be immune to indoctrination.

Trolololololololo much? BioWare clearly stated in their production notes for ME3 that they were planning to have an end-game sequence where the player lost control of shepard due to the reapers taking control.....Shepard is most deffinitely NOT immune to indoctrination.....you can keep denying but the proof is there. Straight from BioWare....the SR2 crash in the ending of ME3 is a dream and TIM managed to make Shepard shoot Anderson because the reapers were taking control.

[Darth_Trethon]

anorling wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

anorling wrote...

The 'dream_Foilage' isn't much proof. That stupid sequence was probably ment to be interpreted as a dream sequence. But not dream as in IT. More like dream as in Shepards dying minds last thoughts about his loved ones.

Why is your personal interpretation of the ending more probable than IT? It's just as baseless as IT.

Well. It wasn't a interpretation of the ending as much as it was an interpretation of the name of the textures for the plants. But yes. Im speculating just as much as everyone else.

What is there to speculate about? What the "Dream_Foliage" leaves to interpretation this doesn't:



and this:

[MadRabbit999]

Reason why IT can't be is in my signature...

[Seival]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Seival wrote...

Game assets' names prove nothing. And the entire IT is nonsense as synthesis ending. Shepard proved to be immune to indoctrination.

Trolololololololo much? BioWare clearly stated in their production notes for ME3 that they were planning to have an end-game sequence where the player lost control of shepard due to the reapers taking control.....Shepard is most deffinitely NOT immune to indoctrination.....you can keep denying but the proof is there. Straight from BioWare....the SR2 crash in the ending of ME3 is a dream and TIM managed to make Shepard shoot Anderson because the reapers were taking control.

Devs already said that IT is not an option, and the Extended Cut will prove this.

[Darth_Trethon]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Reason why IT can't be is in my signature...

IT is NOT a change or additional endings....it's clarification of BioWare's intent with the endings whish we clearly see in the file names and production notes released in the Final Hours app. It really is JUST THAT....nothing more, nothing less.

[Darth_Trethon]

Seival wrote...

Devs already said that IT is not an option, and the Extended Cut will prove this.

Devs said lolwut? The devs ONLY said that it would be too spoilery for them to address the IT....Patrick Weekes said this on twitter.

No dev ever said the IT is not an option.

[UrgentArchengel]

Which would people prefer, that Bioware may have something up their sleeve to knock "some" of us out of the park, or that they are really f***ing lazy and couldn't care less what you all think? The former sounds quite nice.

[MadRabbit999]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Reason why IT can't be is in my signature...

IT is NOT a change or additional endings....it's clarification of BioWare's intent with the endings whish we clearly see in the file names and production notes released in the Final Hours app. It really is JUST THAT....nothing more, nothing less.

lol at failing to see the point... for the 100000 time:

If IT is true... then it means the game is not over... now.. it has been stated several times even in that quote in my signature that ME3 is the conclusion of Shepard's story....

So, do you really think they would leave the game a moment before shepard does the "real" fight with the reapers?

WhaT IT means, is that it requires shepard to get up.. and kill the reaper.. AKA a NEW ENDING.... guess what? we won't get one of those...

So by LOGICAL conclusion.... IT cannot  be true or BW are contradicting themselves... (Again..).

[Erield]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Seival wrote...

Game assets' names prove nothing. And the entire IT is nonsense as synthesis ending. Shepard proved to be immune to indoctrination.

Trolololololololo much? BioWare clearly stated in their production notes for ME3 that they were planning to have an end-game sequence where the player lost control of shepard due to the reapers taking control.....Shepard is most deffinitely NOT immune to indoctrination.....you can keep denying but the proof is there. Straight from BioWare....the SR2 crash in the ending of ME3 is a dream and TIM managed to make Shepard shoot Anderson because the reapers were taking control.

And in those very exact same notes they say that they scrapped the entire sequence. 

Saying that Shepard is immune to Indoctrination is faulty; you're right to call him on that.  Everything after that point is speculation on your part.  You are somehow failing to understand the difference between "fact" and "supposition."

Here's an example of how that plays out:
Fact: there's a file that's titled something like dream_plant (I forget name.  It doesn't matter because that's not the argument here.)

Supposition: The fact that there's a file titled dream_plant that appears on the end sequence with Joker means that IT is true, and what we're seeing is just a dream of Shepard's.

Supposition: Joker crash lands on a lush garden world that appears to be completely uninhabited and unknown.  It would be a colonist's dream planet, and a great place for the survivors of Earth to settle and re-build in the wake of the destruction.  This is the reason why the planet's foliage is found under the file dream_plant.

Supposition: There was originally a scene that would involve heavy use of garden-type objects and plants during the course of Shepard being Indoctrinated by the Reapers.  This scene was scrapped, but the designers of the end-sequence with Joker liked the great plant art that was already made, and so they kept it and repurposed it for that end.  This is the reason why the planet's foliage is found under the file dream_plant.

Do you need more examples of the difference between "fact" and "supposition"?  Yes.  This fact can be used to support IT; it can also be used as an argument against it.  Why?  Because we don't know why the file was named the way it was, we can only guess.  Because we can only guess, it cannot be used as a fact.

[Peranor]

I have a hard time accepting game assets' names as proof to IT.
But on the other hand I don't see the fact that the EC doesn't provide any additional endings as counter-evidence either.
What kind of 'closure' and 'clarification' the EC brings on the other hand...

Modifié par anorling, 14 mai 2012 - 10:36 .

[Darth_Trethon]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Reason why IT can't be is in my signature...

IT is NOT a change or additional endings....it's clarification of BioWare's intent with the endings whish we clearly see in the file names and production notes released in the Final Hours app. It really is JUST THAT....nothing more, nothing less.

lol at failing to see the point... for the 100000 time:

If IT is true... then it means the game is not over... now.. it has been stated several times even in that quote in my signature that ME3 is the conclusion of Shepard's story....

So, do you really think they would leave the game a moment before shepard does the "real" fight with the reapers?

WhaT IT means, is that it requires shepard to get up.. and kill the reaper.. AKA a NEW ENDING.... guess what? we won't get one of those...

So by LOGICAL conclusion.... IT cannot  be true or BW are contradicting themselves... (Again..).

By logical conclusion they also promised a million other things about the endings like closure and multiple endings and another hundred certifiable lies....what's your point? IT cannot be true because that would mean they lied? They DID lie....a whole lot...unless they didn't have the time to finish all that was intended and all that will now be included in the free EC DLC.

[MadRabbit999]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Reason why IT can't be is in my signature...

IT is NOT a change or additional endings....it's clarification of BioWare's intent with the endings whish we clearly see in the file names and production notes released in the Final Hours app. It really is JUST THAT....nothing more, nothing less.

lol at failing to see the point... for the 100000 time:

If IT is true... then it means the game is not over... now.. it has been stated several times even in that quote in my signature that ME3 is the conclusion of Shepard's story....

So, do you really think they would leave the game a moment before shepard does the "real" fight with the reapers?

WhaT IT means, is that it requires shepard to get up.. and kill the reaper.. AKA a NEW ENDING.... guess what? we won't get one of those...

So by LOGICAL conclusion.... IT cannot  be true or BW are contradicting themselves... (Again..).

By logical conclusion they also promised a million other things about the endings like closure and multiple endings and another hundred certifiable lies....what's your point? IT cannot be true because that would mean they lied? They DID lie....a whole lot...unless they didn't have the time to finish all that was intended and all that will now be included in the free EC DLC.

Nope.. beacue it would mean they are liying right NOW... not a promisse made 5+ months ago, which was compromised by the possibility of failed dead lines.

The only way for IT to be true is if the things they said about  EC are lies.... and at this point, since they are on thin ice,  I doubt they would be lying on anything at all.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 14 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Erield wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Seival wrote...

Game assets' names prove nothing. And the entire IT is nonsense as synthesis ending. Shepard proved to be immune to indoctrination.

Trolololololololo much? BioWare clearly stated in their production notes for ME3 that they were planning to have an end-game sequence where the player lost control of shepard due to the reapers taking control.....Shepard is most deffinitely NOT immune to indoctrination.....you can keep denying but the proof is there. Straight from BioWare....the SR2 crash in the ending of ME3 is a dream and TIM managed to make Shepard shoot Anderson because the reapers were taking control.

And in those very exact same notes they say that they scrapped the entire sequence. 

Saying that Shepard is immune to Indoctrination is faulty; you're right to call him on that.  Everything after that point is speculation on your part.  You are somehow failing to understand the difference between "fact" and "supposition."

Here's an example of how that plays out:
Fact: there's a file that's titled something like dream_plant (I forget name.  It doesn't matter because that's not the argument here.)

Supposition: The fact that there's a file titled dream_plant that appears on the end sequence with Joker means that IT is true, and what we're seeing is just a dream of Shepard's.

Supposition: Joker crash lands on a lush garden world that appears to be completely uninhabited and unknown.  It would be a colonist's dream planet, and a great place for the survivors of Earth to settle and re-build in the wake of the destruction.  This is the reason why the planet's foliage is found under the file dream_plant.

Supposition: There was originally a scene that would involve heavy use of garden-type objects and plants during the course of Shepard being Indoctrinated by the Reapers.  This scene was scrapped, but the designers of the end-sequence with Joker liked the great plant art that was already made, and so they kept it and repurposed it for that end.  This is the reason why the planet's foliage is found under the file dream_plant.

Do you need more examples of the difference between "fact" and "supposition"?  Yes.  This fact can be used to support IT; it can also be used as an argument against it.  Why?  Because we don't know why the file was named the way it was, we can only guess.  Because we can only guess, it cannot be used as a fact.

All that says is that they scrapped the part where the player lost control because it was too tricky....they NEVER said they scrapped the entire indoctrination plot and even if they wanted too much of it is left for the ending to be reasonably explained or fixed in any other way.

Simply because it would be too tricky for the player to lose control all in the middle of dialogue and conversations doesn't mean the entire indoctrination plot is gone....and eve that is not true....we clearly DO lose control of Shepard when TIM controlls him/her and forces Shep to shoot Anderson....all in the middle of conversations and all.

You can go about it any way you want there is no denying it:

1) BioWare DID come up with the IT long before any fan.
2) The Indoctrination plot is still very much IN.

[huntsman2310]

Well I've never!

The same plant in two different locations!?

Why it's almost like someone placed them there deliberately....

Wait....it's happening here too!

Pines grow in the United States and Australia!

WE'RE INDOCTRINATED!

[Darth_Trethon]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Nope.. beacue it would mean they are liying right NOW... not a promisse made 5+ months ago, which was compromised by the possibility of failed dead lines.

The only way for IT to be true is if the things they said about  EC are lies.... and at this point, since they are on thin ice,  I doubt they would be lying on anything at all.

Actually they never said a word about the IT other than it would be too much spoilers to mention so they aren't lying about that. So what "things" have they said about the IT that would be lies if IT was true? You aren't making sense.

All they IT is just a clarification of what they meant....nothing more, nothing less....just like they promised the EC would do.