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[Nic-V]

Really this seems to be a very important part of the lore and I wonder if there is any official word on this: is there more than one Arishok (and Arigena and Ariqun for that matter)? I have not been able to find official word on this and it seems some people think there's only one, while others believe there are several.
Personally I believe there has to be several leaders, for reasons I sadly can't really say on a spoiler free forum.

So anyway I just wanted to ask if there is any official word on it, or if we have other proof from the games?

Modifié par Nic-V, 14 mai 2012 - 11:33 .

[ZtalkerRM]

I believe the Arishok in DA2 was the leader of this 'group' of quanari in particular? In my head, it can be compared to a Bannerman from Medieval times. All Arishok are 'boss' but in time of war listen to...maybe a council?

It's a good question though. We know so little about the qun. Except that they like cookies.

[Welsh Inferno]

There is only one at a time. Arishok is one of three pillars of Qunari society.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 14 mai 2012 - 12:30 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

then they are probably having problems right now.

[thats1evildude]

What, you don't think they have a system for replacing Arishoks? Even if they aren't killed in combat, they must die of old age at some point.

(This makes me wonder how the qunari treat their elderly or disabled. When you can't "fill your role" due to infirmity, what happens to you? The implications are disturbing.)

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

thats1evildude wrote...

What, you don't think they have a system for replacing Arishoks? Even if they aren't killed in combat, they must die of old age at some point.

(This makes me wonder how the qunari treat their elderly or disabled. When you can't "fill your role" due to infirmity, what happens to you? The implications are disturbing.)

but then the real question is, do they KNOW hes dead?

[Face of Evil]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

but then the real question is, do they KNOW hes dead?

Well, yeah. The remaining qunari went back home. Why wouldn't they report the death of their leader?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 mai 2012 - 04:09 .

[TEWR]

There's only one Arishok, one Ariqun, and one Arigena.

Eventually though, someone within the Antaam will rise through the ranks and be considered for the position of Arishok to replace the current one. This is the nature of the Qunari. You can be promoted to higher positions within your given field.

So someone within the military of the Qunari society would rise eventually to the position of Arishok, if they were capable enough.

It's my belief that Sten -- our Sten, the one we knew from DAO -- will become the new Arishok. If the old one died, then Sten is promoted because he's... well... going to be important to DA's story based on little codexes we saw in the Black Emporium.

Oh and the fact that Gaider said hornless Kossith are unique/special and are meant for greatness in Qunari society.

If the old Arishok didn't die, then he retires because he was older then he seemed. And then -- assuming he's not physically/mentally able to have tutored anyone in the 3 years after Act II -- he kills himself.

thats1evildude wrote...

(This makes me wonder how the qunari treat their elderly or disabled. When you can't "fill your role" due to infirmity, what happens to you? The implications are disturbing.)

I remember a dev post in the past -- Mary Kirby's I believe -- that said they're taken care of by the Tamassrans when they are suddenly unable to take care of themselves, be it from sickness or age or whatnot.

But because they can no longer fill their role -- assuming they're no longer mentally able or physically able -- and thus lose their sense of self, they become severely depressed due to the emotional trauma such a thing causes. As such, it's common for a Qunari who can no longer fill his/her role to kill themselves.

It's kinda sad really.

Now, if they're still mentally/physically able they'll go on to train the 12 year olds that are filling out their old role.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 mai 2012 - 08:31 .

[Esbatty]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There's only one Arishok, one Ariqun, and one Arigena.

Eventually though, someone within the Antaam will rise through the ranks and be considered for the position of Arishok. This is the nature of the Qunari. You can be promoted to higher positions.

It's my belief that Sten -- our Sten, the one we knew from DAO -- will become the new Arishok. If the old one died, then Sten is promoted because he's... well... going to be important to DA's story based on little codexes we saw in the Black Emporium.

If the old Arishok didn't die, then he retires because he was older then he seemed.

Warden: WOW! ITS STEN! EVERYONE ITS STEN!
Arishok: No, I am the Arishok.
Warden; Aww c'mon Sten. You'll always be Sten to me.
Arishok: ... No.
Warden: Well - I guess I'll just give these to Dog. These cookies were for Sten.
Arishok: ... Give them here.

[TEWR]

Esbatty wrote...

Warden: WOW! ITS STEN! EVERYONE ITS STEN!
Arishok: No, I am the Arishok.
Warden; Aww c'mon Sten. You'll always be Sten to me.
Arishok: ... No.
Warden: Well - I guess I'll just give these to Dog. These cookies were for Sten.
Arishok: ... Give them here.

I demand this happen at some point.

But I also know for a fact -- based on my sources on the inside -- that DAIII will end with a cliffhanger moment of Sten standing on a Dreadnought headed for Thedas. And he will be holding a box of cookies under one arm, a box of kittens under the other, and have a goatee of badassery on his face.

And he shall look directly at the screen and say....

....

[TEWR]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Question: Then when will the big arishok horns appear? Every role has his horns right? The mages even have them sawn off. If there is only one in charge there have to be others waiting to fullfill the role.

There are both horned and hornless Kossith. Originally, Bioware wanted the Kossith to all be horned but couldn't implement those graphics into DAO. So, in order to preserve visual consistency, they revised it to say that there are both horned and hornless Kossith.

David Gaider has gone on record to say that if Sten reappeared, he would still be hornless.

The hornless variety -- Sten from DAO -- are considered special in Qunari society and are meant for great things.

[TEWR]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Hmmmm, guess I did not ask the right way. As I see it the Arishok has 'the big' horns. A new Arishok will have them too because the role/rank dictates a certain type of horns. Ergo, the new Arishok will allready have them.

Question: Where are the kossith which are suitable (and have the big horns) to become the next Arishok when there is one in charge?

To me it seems like a major plothole..............................

Nothing in the lore states that the only people fit to be the Arishok have to also be extremely horny .

*enjoyed making that very lame pun*

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 mai 2012 - 01:30 .

[Das Tentakel]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Hmmmm, guess I did not ask the right way. As I see it the Arishok has 'the big' horns. A new Arishok will have them too because the role/rank dictates a certain type of horns. Ergo, the new Arishok will allready have them.

Question: Where are the kossith which are suitable (and have the big horns) to become the next Arishok when there is one in charge?

To me it seems like a major plothole..............................

Nothing in the lore states that the only people fit to be the Arishok have to also be extremely horny .

*enjoyed making that very lame pun*

Maybe the horns are the result of being in a position of authority...a position of dominance leading to the release of growth hormones or something? The Arishok as 'Alpha Kossith'....could be a holdover from their evolutionary past...

Alternatively, I once read an article about horned dung beetles, according to which these animals apparently can develop either big horns, or big testes, but not both.
It is nice to speculate that hornless Kossith are better endowed in other...respects .

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 15 mai 2012 - 01:47 .

[Fast Jimmy]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

then they are probably having problems right now.

Yep, my thoughts exactly . Not much threat from the kossith for Thedas if that's true .

This is not true in the least. The Qunari society is designed for its members to be trained and work hard to fill their given roles in life. The second the Arishok dropped dead on the ground, there was another who had been trained their entire lives for that moment ready to step into his shoes. It is how the Qun is designed.

You could no more stop a Kossith army by killing the Arishok then you could mate with a Kossith Broodmother. The Qun is a machine, designed to continue to run even if its parts are broken or removed. Discipline and order, purpose and focus, that's the way of life for the Qunari. Not to say its the best system of government by far, but it certainly is the best system of government for a military-society.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 15 mai 2012 - 01:57 .

[Wulfram]

I find it sort of surprising that there aren't a whole bunch of versions of the Qun around by now.  Each with their own Arishok Ariqun and Arigena.

Modifié par Wulfram, 15 mai 2012 - 02:01 .

[dragonfire100]

[quote]sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

As Arishok being a title/name there must be more of them. Just like 'Sten' is a name that is a sign for the function that particulair Kossith has in the Qunari.[/quoteI]I thought sten was a name for the unhorned qun because evey qun that has that name on DA2 have no horns.

[Fast Jimmy]

dragonfire100 wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

As Arishok being a title/name there must be more of them. Just like 'Sten' is a name that is a sign for the function that particulair Kossith has in the Qunari.

I thought sten was a name for the unhorned qun because evey qun that has that name on DA2 have no horns.

Sten is a title, like lieutenant or corpreal. You fight a sten in the Qunari uprising in DA2 and it has horns. 

An unhorned Kossith has special meaning and place for the Qunari, but it is not its own title.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 16 mai 2012 - 03:20 .

[Sidney]

thats1evildude wrote...

What, you don't think they have a system for replacing Arishoks? Even if they aren't killed in combat, they must die of old age at some point.

(This makes me wonder how the qunari treat their elderly or disabled. When you can't "fill your role" due to infirmity, what happens to you? The implications are disturbing.)

You have to wonder?