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The key to victory [Crucible support thread]

Débuté par Seival , mai 14 2012 01:30

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Posté 15 mai 2012 - 03:25

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Mobius-Silent wrote...

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As for Control in terms of biotic abilities... Biotics can mind-control actually. Remember Morinth from ME2?


That isn't a Biotic ability, it's a perversion of part of their their natural mating method, the ability to synchronise nervous systems. Normal Asari can naturaly generate empathy and potentially attraction as an ambient ability, AYpoisitive Asari have much stronger and more firece electro-chemecal activity in their nervous system hence a stronger ability to manuipulate others and stronger biotic ability.

AY positive Asari like Morinth can refine and chanel their ability with biotics but it existed before the Asari were able to use Biotics


First of all, Asari mental abilities are actually biotic abilities (all Asari are natural biotics, they didn't have to develop biotic abilities like humans). Shepard is not an Asari, but Shepard can use Dominate in ME2... So, Dominate is actually a biotic ability that can be learned and trained by any biotic.

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Posté 15 mai 2012 - 03:29

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Wouldn't he need a candy bar the size of the Empire State?

Also, any ending that requires Shep to be a specific class (especially since Soldier is most played) is probably doomed out of the gate.

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Posté 15 mai 2012 - 03:55

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Optimystic_X wrote...

Wouldn't he need a candy bar the size of the Empire State?

Also, any ending that requires Shep to be a specific class (especially since Soldier is most played) is probably doomed out of the gate.


As I already said - Shepard has biotic talents no matter the class. And this is not a theory, it's the truth.

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Posté 15 mai 2012 - 04:40

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Seival wrote...
As I already said - Shepard has biotic talents no matter the class. And this is not a theory, it's the truth.


It's gameplay-story segregation - you can't base anything off of that from a plot standpoint. By that logic, Project Lazarus was a complete failure if you decided to change classes between ME1 and ME2.

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Posté 15 mai 2012 - 04:51

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Optimystic_X wrote...

Seival wrote...
As I already said - Shepard has biotic talents no matter the class. And this is not a theory, it's the truth.


It's gameplay-story segregation - you can't base anything off of that from a plot standpoint. By that logic, Project Lazarus was a complete failure if you decided to change classes between ME1 and ME2.


Ability to change classes has nothing to do with the fact that Shepard has biotic talents. class itself is just an "equipment set". I have no idea why the game doesn't allow you to change class any time (while on the Normandy).

Modifié par Seival, 15 mai 2012 - 04:53 .

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Posté 15 mai 2012 - 08:17

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...I can't see how else Crucible can be explained right now. Crucuble+Citadel+MassRelays have to be an amplifier of some kind. If not, it will not make any sense... Space magic is inappropriate for ME universe.

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Posté 16 mai 2012 - 10:35

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FTL forums :)

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Posté 16 mai 2012 - 10:38

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Then way is my gun more effective than biotics?

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Gen Petitt
Posté 16 mai 2012 - 10:41

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I mean I once used a PISTOL that killed EVERYTHING IN THREE SHOTS OR LESS

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Posté 16 mai 2012 - 11:48

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Gen Petitt wrote...

Then way is my gun more effective than biotics?


It's more effective on the battlefield, where you have no giant amlifires to help you :)

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Posté 16 mai 2012 - 07:52

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Not sure if it's too late or not, but I want BioWare to view this theory. Maybe it will help them to make Extended Cut better :)

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 09:58

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The OP was modified and renamed to reflect its purpose better.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 10:35

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Seival wrote...

...They really can develop the most beautiful and complicated Sci-Fi Story in the world. No developers/writers will be able to compete with this.


Well, and I can't really find any sci-fi story that can compete even with ME Trilogy. DE:HR and Appleseed maybe... just maybe :)

#39
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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 10:37

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Ha ha ha!! I just mentioned creating this thread in the Old Man and a Kid Thread, and right after I made that statement, this thread came up!! Lol.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 10:47

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Galactic Runner wrote...

Ha ha ha!! I just mentioned creating this thread in the Old Man and a Kid Thread, and right after I made that statement, this thread came up!! Lol.


Please, read the OP and say what do you think about it. This should be much more constructive.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 10:50

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Seival wrote...
Ability to change classes has nothing to do with the fact that Shepard has biotic talents. class itself is just an "equipment set". I have no idea why the game doesn't allow you to change class any time (while on the Normandy).


Says who? The only thing my Shepard would achieve after staring at a block of wood for a long time trying to use his "biotics" would be a headache. He's an Infiltrator, he knows some tech stuff and he's a good shot with a rifle, no biotics ANYWHERE to be seen.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 10:58

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Seival wrote...
Ability to change classes has nothing to do with the fact that Shepard has biotic talents. class itself is just an "equipment set". I have no idea why the game doesn't allow you to change class any time (while on the Normandy).


Says who? The only thing my Shepard would achieve after staring at a block of wood for a long time trying to use his "biotics" would be a headache. He's an Infiltrator, he knows some tech stuff and he's a good shot with a rifle, no biotics ANYWHERE to be seen.


But somehow Infiltrator Shepard can train Slam ability in seconds, and then crash her enemies with raw biotic power.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:01

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Seival wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Seival wrote...
Ability to change classes has nothing to do with the fact that Shepard has biotic talents. class itself is just an "equipment set". I have no idea why the game doesn't allow you to change class any time (while on the Normandy).


Says who? The only thing my Shepard would achieve after staring at a block of wood for a long time trying to use his "biotics" would be a headache. He's an Infiltrator, he knows some tech stuff and he's a good shot with a rifle, no biotics ANYWHERE to be seen.


But somehow Infiltrator Shepard can train Slam ability in seconds, and then crash her enemies with raw biotic power.


Ever heard of gameplay and story segregation?

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:16

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Lizardviking wrote...
Ever heard of gameplay and story segregation?


Like themral clips! Stupid idea when you can have a gun that just keeps firing with an inbuilt heatsink and cooler. However, it was added to make gameplay "smoother" or something.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:21

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Ever heard of gameplay and story segregation?


Like themral clips! Stupid idea when you can have a gun that just keeps firing with an inbuilt heatsink and cooler. However, it was added to make gameplay "smoother" or something.


We actually have lots of dialog exclusive if Shepard is one of the 3 biotic classes, so unless Seival can prove with for example a soldier with the barrier skill can get the same dialog, I think we can assume that a non-biotic Shepard using a biotic bonus skill is a case of gameplay/Story segragation.

And frankly. I think we can shove the dominate ability being classified as a biotic ability aswell as a case of this.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:24

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Seival wrote...
First of all, Asari mental abilities are actually biotic abilities (all Asari are natural biotics, they didn't have to develop biotic abilities like humans). Shepard is not an Asari, but Shepard can use Dominate in ME2... So, Dominate is actually a biotic ability that can be learned and trained by any biotic.


Shepard can get all sorts of bonus abilities, however those are a game mechanic not a part of the world. Or are we to believe that it's impossible for an engineer to use a sniper rifle until then find a magic weapons cach on the collector ship? Or that you couldn't detonate stasis in ME2, or that warp doesn't activate a biotic detonation suddenly in ME3.

Or that Shepard was suddenly trained to roll 2186CE

The "bonus" ability is an OOC gameplay element and shouldn't be considered in matters of lore.

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 09 juin 2012 - 11:25 .

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Joe Del Toro
Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:24

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Are you f*cking SERIOUS

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:28

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Genius.

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mango smoothie
Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:28

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And what about people who roleplay their Shepard into not having any sort of Biotic implants at all.

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Posté 09 juin 2012 - 11:30

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mango smoothie wrote...

And what about people who roleplay their Shepard into not having any sort of Biotic implants at all.


Well that just took a shotgun shot the OP's argument. 
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