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[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Not all players hate the endings. And I'm sure that haters are just minority... And this minority becomes lesser and lesser each month... No offense...

Since I'm sure you have no evidence to back that up I guess this is now entirely a matter of faith.
Did you know my Voight-Kampff theory says people who like the ending are replicants? What are you gonna say to that, Mr. Deckard?

[MegaSovereign]

Given enough time players will accept the game's flaws and move on. As they did with ME1 and ME2.

With that said the Extended Cut needs to be good.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 11 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[Seival]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Not all players hate the endings. And I'm sure that haters are just minority... And this minority becomes lesser and lesser each month... No offense...

Since I'm sure you have no evidence to back that up I guess this is now entirely a matter of faith.
Did you know my Voight-Kampff theory says people who like the ending are replicants? What are you gonna say to that, Mr. Deckard?

What I'm saying is just my opinion, nothing more. Only time will tell if I was right or not.

This thread is about the Crucible... Well, and about the endings in general I guess. And I think we should stay on the topic.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

Not all players hate the endings. And I'm sure that haters are just minority... And this minority becomes lesser and lesser each month... No offense...

Since I'm sure you have no evidence to back that up I guess this is now entirely a matter of faith.
Did you know my Voight-Kampff theory says people who like the ending are replicants? What are you gonna say to that, Mr. Deckard?

What I'm saying is just my opinion, nothing more. Only time will tell if I was right or not.

This thread is about the Crucible... Well, and about the endings in general I guess. And I think we should stay on the topic.

Well, you're a replicant. Just wanted to point that out.
Only my opinion, of course.

[ArchDuck]

The key to victory was always unity. The crucible is just a writer's crutch.

[M Hedonist]

ArchDuck wrote...

The key to victory was always unity. The crucible is just a writer's crutch.

I know. It has literally no real world applicability. It's complete rubbish.
The game should have been solely about unity and ingenious tactics. Instead the whole goal is to make the mystery device work. Throw resources at it until magic happens.

Modifié par Sauruz, 11 juin 2012 - 08:44 .

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Given enough time players will accept the game's flaws and move on. As they did with ME1 and ME2.

With that said the Extended Cut needs to be good.

I'm 100% sure EC will be good.

[Seival]

ArchDuck wrote...

The key to victory was always unity. The crucible is just a writer's crutch.

Unity is important. But without the Crucible victory would be impossible.

[Mobius-Silent]

Seival wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

The key to victory was always unity. The crucible is just a writer's crutch.

Unity is important. But without the Crucible victory would be impossible.

The Crucible is only one way the writers could have resolved the story, it is far from the only way.

classic ways of defeating supposedly undefeatable forces:

1. Turn them against each other
2. Find their master (If they have one) and turn it against them
3. Locate the source of their power and remove it (or claim it for yourself)
4. Trick them into a situation nothing can escape from
5. Discover their secret weakness

All of these _could_ have been written into the story, instead Bioware went for MacGuffin and a DEM... the worst of all options.

Personally I think the E.C. will be good, but I think it will be good because the conversation between the Catalyst and Shepard will change such that it is no longer a DEM but a thrall of the MacGuffin, which isn't great but better that the mess we have.

[M Hedonist]

What is it with people resurrecting the worst threads on the BSN?
Just let it die already. Arguing with OP is like arguing with a brick wall. No matter how good your argument is, he'll eventually go "I disagree with your argument". Eventually every person on the BSN will have tried arguing with him and subsequently given up.

Modifié par Sauruz, 12 juin 2012 - 08:27 .

[Seival]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Seival wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

The key to victory was always unity. The crucible is just a writer's crutch.

Unity is important. But without the Crucible victory would be impossible.

The Crucible is only one way the writers could have resolved the story, it is far from the only way.

classic ways of defeating supposedly undefeatable forces:

1. Turn them against each other
2. Find their master (If they have one) and turn it against them
3. Locate the source of their power and remove it (or claim it for yourself)
4. Trick them into a situation nothing can escape from
5. Discover their secret weakness

All of these _could_ have been written into the story, instead Bioware went for MacGuffin and a DEM... the worst of all options.

Personally I think the E.C. will be good, but I think it will be good because the conversation between the Catalyst and Shepard will change such that it is no longer a DEM but a thrall of the MacGuffin, which isn't great but better that the mess we have.

I think that mentioned non-DEM ways are too standard-holywoodish and boring. Somehow, I believe that the same players, who now hate Crucible, would be enraged by any of those non-DEM ways even more after the very first playthrough... And then start blaming BioWare in making "standard games".

Modifié par Seival, 12 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[Mobius-Silent]

Seival wrote...
I think that mentioned non-DEM ways are too standard-holywoodish and boring. Somehow, I believe that the same players, who now hate Crucible, would be enraged by any of those non-DEM ways even more after the very first playthrough... And then start blaming BioWare in making "standard games".

DEM is one of the _oldest_ cliches we have, the only reason it's not "standard-holywoodish" is that even the lowest of low-brow entertainers consider it too cliche and simplistic.

And again, the Crucible isn't a DEM, the Catalyst is.

Crucible:
Mentioned at start and throughout the story, not unexpected hence not DEM.
Used to move plot along without actual connection to the emotional core or the story, hence MacGuffin

Catalyst:
Not mentioned or suggested throughout entire game, suddenly appears in an unexpected place, saves Shepard (activates the lift-of-light) presents Shepard with three options that he otherwise wouldn't have had, hence, DEM

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...
I think that mentioned non-DEM ways are too standard-holywoodish and boring.

Wow. 

Just wow. 

Good writing is now standard a boring. 

The way forward is to deliberately write badly, so you can appear 'deep'. That's just f*cking insulting, even as someone who only writes for himself in his spare time. 

Somehow, I believe that the same players, who now hate Crucible, would be enraged by any of those non-DEM ways even more after the very first playthrough... And then start blaming BioWare in making "standard games".

More sh*tty conjecture. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[M Hedonist]

All attempts at arguments will be dismissed by Seival.
Initiating standard procedure for Seival threads: spam Spiderman pics.

[Jenonax]

Seival wrote...


I think that mentioned non-DEM ways are too standard-holywoodish and boring.

Aaaaaaand you're officially a troll.  No reasonable person would actually believe that,

Somehow, I believe that the same players, who now hate Crucible, would be enraged by any of those non-DEM ways even more after the very first playthrough... And then start blaming BioWare in making "standard games".

No one would have thought that and we'd have all been revelling in the emotional and satisfying payoff.

Next?

Modifié par Jenonax, 12 juin 2012 - 01:41 .

[M Hedonist]

Jenonax wrote...

Next?

The only reasonable outcome for a Seival thread.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...
I think that mentioned non-DEM ways are too standard-holywoodish and boring.

Wow. 

Just wow. 

Good writing is now standard a boring. 

The way forward is to deliberately write badly, so you can appear 'deep'. That's just f*cking insulting, even as someone who only writes for himself in his spare time. 

Somehow, I believe that the same players, who now hate Crucible, would be enraged by any of those non-DEM ways even more after the very first playthrough... And then start blaming BioWare in making "standard games".

More sh*tty conjecture. 

What are you talking about? All that haters want to do is to turn Mass Effect Trilogy into some "War of the Worlds" or "Independence Day"... "We defeated the ancient and unstoppable race with a silly virus"...

This reminds me of one of the parodies in Futurama: a "movie" where robots killed evil human with a simple stick... You should understand that most people are tired of these standard stories.

[Jamie9]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKfMBiY3AY#t=6m35s

Potential foreshadowing of the Crucible in Lair of the Shadow Broker. I've put it to the right time. It's a 30-40 second clip.

[Seival]

Jamie9 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKfMBiY3AY#t=6m35s

Potential foreshadowing of the Crucible in Lair of the Shadow Broker. I've put it to the right time. It's a 30-40 second clip.

It's so good to see constructive replies here. Thanks

About the video. I think it's one of the clues that Crucible was planned as one of the main parts of the story long before ME3 direct development.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

"We defeated the ancient and unstoppable race with a silly virus"...

So we defeat them by throwing resources at the mystery device, instead?
You know what, I'm gonna keep the logic out of here and just continue doing what is the most appropriate response to your way of arguing.

Seival wrote...

About the video. I think it's one of the clues that Crucible was planned as one of the main parts of the story long before ME3 direct development.

It's hilarious how you literally have no idea about anything you're talking about.

Modifié par Sauruz, 12 juin 2012 - 03:41 .

[Seival]

Sauruz, you definitely can't understand DEM concept. Or just don't want to try to understand.

...And you are wrong about BioWare. They really care about the ideas and true fans much more then about the money.

[o Ventus]

MacGuffin's aren't a good way to conclude what was a formerly epic trilogy.

That is all.

[Seival]

o Ventus wrote...

MacGuffin's aren't a good way to conclude what was a formerly epic trilogy.

That is all.

The Trilogy was Phylosophical from the beginning. Philosophical sci-fi stories can't end like some "War of the Worlds" or "Independence Day". I'm glad BioWare understand that.

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Synthesis is not a DEM.

It's just stupid as hell.

Maybe not. I hope EC will explain Synthesis correctly. I believe BioWare gave Crucible ability to do Synthesis for reason.

[MerchantGOL]

ArchDuck wrote...

The key to victory was always unity. The crucible is just a writer's crutch.

yeah no "unity" will end up beating the reapers  whole out, there are too many they are too powerfull, and they fight way too dirty.