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[Dorje Sylas]

Moonphos87 wrote...

Honestly, while I'll be playing D3, I feel quite disappointed how much the game has changed. Completely reduced to an ultra linear game with not much replay value (Higher difficulty and different class, that's all to replay, from open beta impression).

Gonna be playing a little bit of both sides - Buddies in D3 offline? ME3 time.

Change? How is that different? What you discribe is exactly the same as a Diablo 1 and 2. Both are ultra linear with very little replay value. The only difference was back in D1 and D2 days most of your multiplayer experice would have been at LAN parties with friedns in the same room all screaming and yelling at each other during speed runs through Hell mode. That or someone with a hacked monster spawn file to create mashpits of mobs and much better item drops (which didn't matter because there were so many monsters).

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 14 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[Moonphos87]

Taritu wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Folks in the beta keep telling me Diablo 3 is boring.

We'll see, but for now, I ain't buyin'it.

Of course the beta is boring, it's 1/10 of 1 act repeated for months on end. Basically if you think Diablo 3 is boring, than so is Torch Light, and Path of Exile, and Titan, and every other isometric dungeon crawler because they're all functionally exactly the same. You either like the genre or you don't. While some games are prettier or have different art styles (Daibloe and POE are dark, Torch Light is cartoony), or play more fluidly, at the end of the day they're all about randomized dungeons, randomized loot, and killing an absurd amount of monsters. 

I think execution does matter, though it's true it isn't really my genre.  Liked Diablo, didn't like Diablo 2.  Since it isn't "my thing" it has to be done very well.

I liked both D1 and D2, but D3 is just... I dunno. It's not that its BAD, but it just doesn't have the Diablo feel in terms of gameplay anymore.

I think it's the lack of in-depth customisation, inventry/storage ultilisation, proper hotbars, and the not-so-random generated dungeons.

Modifié par Moonphos87, 14 mai 2012 - 04:58 .

[Rivermann]

Taritu wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Folks in the beta keep telling me Diablo 3 is boring.

We'll see, but for now, I ain't buyin'it.

Of course the beta is boring, it's 1/10 of 1 act repeated for months on end. Basically if you think Diablo 3 is boring, than so is Torch Light, and Path of Exile, and Titan, and every other isometric dungeon crawler because they're all functionally exactly the same. You either like the genre or you don't. While some games are prettier or have different art styles (Daibloe and POE are dark, Torch Light is cartoony), or play more fluidly, at the end of the day they're all about randomized dungeons, randomized loot, and killing an absurd amount of monsters. 

I think execution does matter, though it's true it isn't really my genre.  Liked Diablo, didn't like Diablo 2.  Since it isn't "my thing" it has to be done very well.

Indeed, how it's done is the most important thing. If I wanted to run down the golden brick road into boredom I'll chose D3. The diversity and dynamic of the game is what I find interesting, D3 doesn't seem to offer anything but this:

for(int i=0;i<infinite;i++)
{
    if(button_pressed=1)
           KILL!
     elseif(button_pressed=2)
           KILL!
      elseif(button_pressed=3)
           KILL!
}

[Chardonney]

Diablo? Ghost recon future soldier? Max Payne? Sorry, not interested. <_<

[Maria Caliban]

Taritu wrote...

Folks in the beta keep telling me Diablo 3 is boring.

I think there's a matter of expectations here.

Diablo and Diablo II were polished hack and slash games with random loot and enemies. The problem is that people who were 16 when they played Diablo II are 28 now; their tastes, interests, and expectations have changed.

Rivermann wrote...
The diversity and dynamic of the game is what I find interesting, D3 doesn't seem to offer anything but this:

for(int i=0;i<infinite;i++)
{
    if(button_pressed=1)
           KILL!
     elseif(button_pressed=2)
           KILL!
      elseif(button_pressed=3)
           KILL!
}

Yeah. What sort of loser would spend their time fighting endless hordes with a couple different classes in order to get credits gold and a random chance at good loot?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 mai 2012 - 04:58 .

[Walk2k]

Diablows players will be back when they get RSI from all the clicking. Or when they realize they'll never get the best ubar l3wtz without paying real money dollars for it, or when all the game breaking bugs and/or hax ruin it.

I'd say about 6 days.

[AgentChaos]

not going to get it until june

[Moonphos87]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Moonphos87 wrote...

Honestly, while I'll be playing D3, I feel quite disappointed how much the game has changed. Completely reduced to an ultra linear game with not much replay value (Higher difficulty and different class, that's all to replay, from open beta impression).

Gonna be playing a little bit of both sides - Buddies in D3 offline? ME3 time.

Change? How is that different? What you discribe is exactly the same as a Diablo 1 and 2. Both are ultra linear with very little replay value. The only difference was back in D1 and D2 days most of your multiplayer experice would have been at LAN parties with friedns in the same room all screaming and yelling at each other during speed runs through Hell mode. That or someone with a hacked monster spawn file to create mashpits of mobs and much better item drops (which didn't matter because there were so many monsters).

 

Talent system, the necessary need to ultilise bag space, customisation of hotbars (or hotkeying everything right).

Its mostly the Talent System. D3 lacks it, and the "Runes" are just a poor excuse.

D2, I can build a dozen Paladins, and they are all different.

In D3, all i need is ONE monk, and I can play every spec.

[shepdog77]

MP will lose some PC players sure but xbox and ps3 will still be going strong

[shepdog77]

i for one will be playing max payne but i'll be back eventually

[Shock n Awe]

This assumes that everyone is playing on PC.

PC ME3 might lose some people (there are still people who won't care about D3), but us on the 360 and PS3 won't notice much (if any) of a difference.

[Rivermann]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rivermann wrote...
The diversity and dynamic of the game is what I find interesting, D3 doesn't seem to offer anything but this:

for(int i=0;i<infinite;i++)
{
    if(button_pressed=1)
           KILL!
     elseif(button_pressed=2)
           KILL!
      elseif(button_pressed=3)
           KILL!
}

Yeah. What sort of loser would spend their time fighting endless hordes with a couple different classes in order to get credits gold and a random chance at good loot?

You actually have to aim... But seriously, you have to move around, take cover etc you know the deal. D3 to me seems like FBWGG farming. Completely and utterly pointless.

[scottster117]

Nyoka wrote...

I think the vast majority of people play ME3 on the xbox, and Diablo 3 is for the PC.

I don't think it would make much of a difference if all seven people who bought ME3 on the PC stopped playing.

Yep. Looking at Vgchartz, PC copies only account for ~13% of all ME3 sales. Now that site isn't entirely accurate nor does it take players connected online into account, but it gives you a general idea. 1 PC game isn't going to matter much if 87% of the community are console gamers. >.>

Like I said before, the big console shooters coming out in the fall/winter will make a much, MUCH bigger impact. The community is going nowhere now.

Modifié par scottster117, 14 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[Quixal]

Nyoka wrote...

I think the vast majority of people play ME3 on the xbox, and Diablo 3 is for the PC.

I don't think it would make much of a difference if all seven people who bought ME3 on the PC stopped playing.

On the PC here. So a only a possible six will be leaving for D3...

[dday3six]

I'm on PS3 and the only upcoming release I care about is Dragon's Dogma, which I can easily play along side ME3.

[stribies]

Moonphos87 wrote...

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Moonphos87 wrote...

Honestly, while I'll be playing D3, I feel quite disappointed how much the game has changed. Completely reduced to an ultra linear game with not much replay value (Higher difficulty and different class, that's all to replay, from open beta impression).

Gonna be playing a little bit of both sides - Buddies in D3 offline? ME3 time.

Change? How is that different? What you discribe is exactly the same as a Diablo 1 and 2. Both are ultra linear with very little replay value. The only difference was back in D1 and D2 days most of your multiplayer experice would have been at LAN parties with friedns in the same room all screaming and yelling at each other during speed runs through Hell mode. That or someone with a hacked monster spawn file to create mashpits of mobs and much better item drops (which didn't matter because there were so many monsters).

 

Talent system, the necessary need to ultilise bag space, customisation of hotbars (or hotkeying everything right).

Its mostly the Talent System. D3 lacks it, and the "Runes" are just a poor excuse.

D2, I can build a dozen Paladins, and they are all different.

In D3, all i need is ONE monk, and I can play every spec.

What are these dozens of paladin builds you speak of? Because as far as I know, there were very few. Maybe 2 or 3 correct builds that were viable. And keep in mind, with the ability to respec in d2, you could play that ONE paladin many different ways.

 I mean honestly, I can't consider it a bad thing to not go through the grind all over again just to check out a new skill. If it weren't for the power leveling in d2, I would've pulled my hair out. Thank god you were able to cheese your levels way back in the day.

[Miriad]

We're there numbers on PC multiplayer vs 360 vs PS3? Obviously the latter 2 aren't affected by Diablo 3 at all. Keep in mind this game won't shrink until it gets something worth leaving for in the console space, particularly the 360.

I want to leave this game, there's just nothing better to play ATM. I bet I will still come back for the events sometimes even after I'm done playing ME3 regularly.

[1490]

stribies wrote...

1490 wrote...

I certainly plan on playing Diablo 3, but I don't buy any game when it first comes out. I generally wait a year until the game gets cheaper, they come out with better patches, expansions, G.O.T.Y. editions, etc. My plan is to do ME3 multiplayer and Battlefield on 360 until the ME3 "extended cut" comes out, then I'm gonna get a suped-up PC and start catching up on the good PC games.

I get what you mean by that. And that's probably why I want to kill myself because of buying ME3. I had a blast in ME2. Man that game was epic. ME3 was just a huge disappointed because I had such high expectations for it. Kind of wish I was smart enough to wait till maybe next year to buy ME3. I swear, the majority of the games I buy on release are huge disappointments. But the blizzard titles tend to be the opposite. I wish I played wow back in vanilla but now wow just sucks these days and the game changed completely.

Yeah, if I knew NOW how the game ended (and some other issues), I would have waited and bought it for much cheaper rather than pre-ordering it.  The ME games were the first  games I pre-ordered, and they will probably be the last.  In the end, getting a bonus weapon or two is just not worth 20-30 more dollars to me.

[Chardonney]

Quixal wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

I think the vast majority of people play ME3 on the xbox, and Diablo 3 is for the PC.

I don't think it would make much of a difference if all seven people who bought ME3 on the PC stopped playing.

On the PC here. So a only a possible six will be leaving for D3...

PC here, too, and my friend also. Make that four.

[Moonphos87]

stribies wrote...

Moonphos87 wrote...

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Moonphos87 wrote...

Honestly, while I'll be playing D3, I feel quite disappointed how much the game has changed. Completely reduced to an ultra linear game with not much replay value (Higher difficulty and different class, that's all to replay, from open beta impression).

Gonna be playing a little bit of both sides - Buddies in D3 offline? ME3 time.

Change? How is that different? What you discribe is exactly the same as a Diablo 1 and 2. Both are ultra linear with very little replay value. The only difference was back in D1 and D2 days most of your multiplayer experice would have been at LAN parties with friedns in the same room all screaming and yelling at each other during speed runs through Hell mode. That or someone with a hacked monster spawn file to create mashpits of mobs and much better item drops (which didn't matter because there were so many monsters).

 

Talent system, the necessary need to ultilise bag space, customisation of hotbars (or hotkeying everything right).

Its mostly the Talent System. D3 lacks it, and the "Runes" are just a poor excuse.

D2, I can build a dozen Paladins, and they are all different.

In D3, all i need is ONE monk, and I can play every spec.

What are these dozens of paladin builds you speak of? Because as far as I know, there were very few. Maybe 2 or 3 correct builds that were viable. And keep in mind, with the ability to respec in d2, you could play that ONE paladin many different ways.

 I mean honestly, I can't consider it a bad thing to not go through the grind all over again just to check out a new skill. If it weren't for the power leveling in d2, I would've pulled my hair out. Thank god you were able to cheese your levels way back in the day.

Zealadin, Hammerdin, Elemental Paladin (Or was it Aura? I forgot the exact name), Zeus (Lv30 Combat skill), and a couple of my own that makes no sense, like Maxed Freeze Aura, or Fire Aura, Lightning Aura etc.

I apologise =) I overexaggerated (sp?) with the "Dozens". Its mainly my experiment toons without using hack to reset. Officially, not that many.

- Edit - Best leveling cheese, starting up a local game, type "/players 8", and get 8 players worth of exp per mob. I remember hitting level 6 by the time 1st quest is done, and level 25 after act 2...

Modifié par Moonphos87, 14 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[its THAT guy]

I would prefer an expansion pack for Starcraft2 honestly but w/e

[SoulRebel_1979]

-GDL Dragneel- wrote...

Not everyone that plays this game is going to drop it for Diablo 3 I for one am still going to be playing me3 for awhile.

Same here. Gonna be playing both. 

[Maria Caliban]

Rivermann wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...


Yeah. What sort of loser would spend their time fighting endless hordes with a couple different classes in order to get credits gold and a random chance at good loot?

You actually have to aim... But seriously, you have to move around, take cover etc you know the deal. D3 to me seems like FBWGG farming. Completely and utterly pointless.

Are you suggesting that Diablo III takes no tactics or strategy to play? If so, I doubt that's true. I've yet to play a Blizzard game that would fit that description.

Alternatively, Diablo III will have more than eight maps.

its THAT guy wrote...

I would prefer an expansion pack for Starcraft2 honestly but w/e

Isn't Heart of the Swarm coming out next year?

Though I didn't care for Wings of Liberty. I don't think I'm a RTS gal.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 mai 2012 - 05:12 .

[FTR GROG]

Ryuu814 wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

I can.... gasp...... play both.

Although to be fair Diablo has 12 years (or 15 if you want to start with the beginning) of anticipation on it's side.

*slaps* NO! You cannot play both! The law of gaming demands you focus your attention on a singular game!

...I honestly don't see all the hype about Diablo III...if you have no friends then it just becames another generic Dungeon runner game. Even WITH other people it still kinda looks boring :/

UNTRUE I play mass effect 2 inbetween league of legend matches