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[Allen Spellwaver]

Not at all.It remains to be seen.

[Bronxboy]

Simple answer: Yes.

[KotorEffect3]

It hasn't changed. My opinion of the fanbase though....

[Pwillig]

Quite simply, I don't trust them anymore and it will take years to regain that if they make quality releases, which is impossible due to EA.

[Troglyte]

[*]Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
     No big deal, a rip off perhaps but one I can live with




[*] Multiplayer 
Im not happy with it but agian its not a crime against nature



[*] Single player campaign
      Disapointing in its over simplification and lack of narrative


[*] ...the ending
         a crime against nature, one I can not live with, disapointing in every single regard

•  The unreleased Extended Cut 
  Likely a disapointment as "they" have already said they will only add "clarifcation" and no changes to the ending which is so bad ast to create the largest backlash the history of gaming.

[Fnork]

Their mass effect team could have done better. Other than that my opinion is unchanged.

[Thornne]

Nothing really had a significant impact on my opinion of Bioware, save the ending of ME3. Day 1 DLC is a bit crass, IMO, but it's their choice to offer it and my choice to decline to buy it. Multi-player was a non-issue for me.

But if anyone had tried to tell me how about the ending of ME3 ahead of time, I would never have believed it. When I saw it I didn't believe it, and I was sure it was just me getting 'bad ending' until I hit the internets to find out what I was doing wrong.

If they had come out and said "Here's what we were trying to do, but we understand it didn't work for many people. Sorry. We're working on fixing that." I wouldn't have been that bothered. They tried something, it failed, they fixed it. It happens. But it has been the (mis)handling of the ending fiasco has really convinced me that Bioware has changed in a fundemental way.

So I won't be pre-ordering anything from Bioware. Not until they can earn my trust back. If I buy Bioware products going forward it will be after they've been out a while, and I can find customer reviews and probably sale prices.

Modifié par Thornne, 14 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[Jagri]

I would have to say yes my view of Bioware has changed. Now I start to wonder if I will be soon adding Bioware to my sig and the graveyard of gaming companies devoured by EA.

Modifié par Jagri, 14 mai 2012 - 06:23 .

[J RoD824]

Pwillig wrote...

Quite simply, I don't trust them anymore and it will take years to regain that if they make quality releases, which is impossible due to EA.

And that's the real problem here. Sure, BioWare screwed up on this one, but most of the problems people are mentioning here can be attributed to EA. If BioWare had all the time they needed, ME3 I'm sure would have been much better. EA has killed or severely damaged some of my favorite series.

[111987]

Jamie9 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has been a huge event in BioWare's history. Arguably one of their most anticipated games since their inception, nobody could have foreseen what ended up happening.

I'll get to the point: What is your opinion on BioWare as of now?

How do you feel about:

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
- Multiplayer
- Single player campaign
- ...the ending
- The unreleased Extended Cut

1. I actually have no problem with this one. It was originally supposed to be an exclusive for the Collector's edition. I assumed they'd eventually release it for everyone, maybe not as Day 1 DLC, but eventually. The way I see it, people are lucky they even get the chance to buy Javik. However my only slight issue is that he does expand and clarify certain parts of the plot (i.e. foreshadowing of the Catalyst's logic).

2. The multiplayer is very fun. On its own I have no problem with it. However, if it did take away from single-player, my opinion would change.

3. I loved the missions with the ME2 squad mates, and all of the missions in the Tuchanka and Rannoch storylines. I also enjoyed Cronos Station. I thought Earth could have been better; I was hoping to see my war assets play a role, or have a Suicicide Mission kind of set up. It just seemed too isolated from the major conflict going along.

The characters were great and I thought the homages they paid to the fans (i.e. calibration jokes, Prothy the Prothean) were very nice touches. However I thought the Journal and sidequests were very disappointing. The journal from the first two games, that would update, was far superior. I also didn't like the fact that most of the sidequests just involved scanning stupid planets and going back to the Citadel.

4. Definitely needs clarification and I didn't like the fact that we once again didn't see our choices make a difference besides being points going towards EMS. I also wished we had an epilogue. But I don't hate it as much as others.

5. I have faith in the EC, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[CSI_Spectre]

Day 1 DLC:

That was a little questionable. I'm all for DLC, but NOT day 1 dlc; how can EA/Bioware not see that it sends a bad message? If they were going for day 1 dlc, it should have been free for those buying the game new. As the ending stands now, I won't be buying anything for ME3.

Multiplayer:

I actually liked multiplayer a lot so I won't go into that. It was done very well.

Single player Campaign:

Overall Mass Effect 3 was atleast a 9.5/10 game up until the harbinger beam. I thought Rannoch and Tuchunka were some of the best writing done ever. Tuchunka took decisions made from ME1 (wrex alive or dead. With Wreav in charge, you get a whole new look at Krogans which may get you to think twice about curing the genophague) and ME2 (for example: Maelon's data, Mordin live/die). At the end, the cure for the genophague came at a great loss personally; but there was a cure if you decided to do that. It's clear that a Mass Effect fan(s) wrote that; The two I can remember were John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes from PAX EAST 2012.

I would have liked to have seen more branching out of stories similar to Tuchanka and Rannoch throughout the game. I definitely would have changed the opening if you were paragon or renegade in previous ME games. I didn't see what difference the collector's base made, saving the rachni queen, or anything really did. This game should have been more diverse in story telling. I know it would have been a nightmare to program, but Bioware has pulled off epic feats before.

Ending:

Clearly the worst part of the game and the franchise. How could the developers not see that this ending had many plot holes? Especially from a developer like Bioware who thrives on story telling more than any gaming company. Not only that, I felt like I was lied to when I heard there would be 16 radically different endings. If there were 16 different endings, doesn't Bioware realize how much replay value that would be? We don't even get the option of a bad ending or good ending like in previous ME games.

It's normal for many hardcore fans to be a little let down or disappointed with endings from games or TV shows; but this is entirely different. When fans raise $40k in one day for a new ending, that shows how HUGE of a fan base Bioware has with Mass Effect. This isn't normal for any other ending!!!

I personally would want the 16 endings promised and have atleast one of them be a happy ending. With that being said, please note that a good ending doesn't have to be a happy ending. Metal Gear Solid 3 and 4 are prime examples. They weren't happy endings, but they were excellent endings. I didn't see any fans up in arms over that ending like they are about ME3's ending.

It just feels like Bioware wrote the ending blindfolded. I would expect bad endings from some gaming companies, but Bioware would have been at the bottom of the list.

My favorite gaming companies were the 3 B's. Bethesda, Blizzard, and Bioware. It was always Bethesda for the freedom of an open ended game, Blizzard for the addictive gameplay and loot rewards, and Bioware for superb storytelling with the world, characters, and your interaction with them, and how your choices effect the outcome of your experience. KOTOR, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Jade Empire, excellent examples.

To me, it depends on the EC. This is an opportunity for Bioware to redeeem themselves in the eyes of the Mass Effect community. When the ending brought up this kind of an uproar and THIS many fans were letdown/disappointed with it, they are sending Bioware a clear message.

Bioware, fans love your franchise and you do listen to the feedback from your fanbase Bioware; not many gaming companies do. It's clear that you do listen to your feedback because we saw the changes you made from ME1 to ME2. Tali, Garrus as romance options, no Mako, no long elevator rides, inventory items screen cleared up, armor customization, better gameplay, etc...Please don't squander this second chance. Take the fan's feedback into consideration.

[General Skidog]

J RoD824 wrote...

Pwillig wrote...

Quite simply, I don't trust them anymore and it will take years to regain that if they make quality releases, which is impossible due to EA.

And that's the real problem here. Sure, BioWare screwed up on this one, but most of the problems people are mentioning here can be attributed to EA. If BioWare had all the time they needed, ME3 I'm sure would have been much better. EA has killed or severely damaged some of my favorite series.

That's what you get for selling your soul to EA.

[Allen Spellwaver]

Troglyte wrote...



[*]Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
     No big deal, a rip off perhaps but one I can live with




[*] Multiplayer 
Im not happy with it but agian its not a crime against nature



[*] Single player campaign
      Disapointing in its over simplification and lack of narrative


[*] ...the ending
         a crime against nature, one I can not live with, disapointing in every single regard

•  The unreleased Extended Cut 
  Likely a disapointment as "they" have already said they will only add "clarifcation" and no changes to the ending which is so bad ast to create the largest backlash the history of gaming.

Lack of Narrative?Are you serious?

[KDD-0063]

OK, I'll start with a very early game...

BG2: an experience that blow me away.

BG2: ToB: a bit rushed, but mods made up for it.

NWN: toolset is so powerful, so many possibilities, so many great modules, just ... amazing!

KotOR: totally great! On the mod side, no official toolset but still great moddability.

First heard of TOR being made: this isn't going to end well...and why isn't there a KotOR 3?

Mass Effect: totally new experience, awesome game!

First heard of EA bought Bioware: WTF?

Dragon Age Origins: epic game on every account, just...epic!

Mass Effect 2: just epic, maybe ... I misjudged EA?

TOR trailer: maybe I misjudged TOR, this game looks solid!

Dragon Age Awakening: it's getting weird. Why is this expansion so rushed?

Lair of the shadow broker: epic DLC, can't wait for ME3!

Dragon Age 2: WTF EA? F**k you for pushing the game into 1.5 years!

TOR: WTF? Is mythic guys in charge? Is that guy, Gabe Amantangelo, an idiot? And James Ohlen, are you a moron too? And what the hell is Bioware Austin?

ME3: I should've expected this...and f**k you too, Bioware.

[Allen Spellwaver]

General Skidog wrote...

J RoD824 wrote...

Pwillig wrote...

Quite simply, I don't trust them anymore and it will take years to regain that if they make quality releases, which is impossible due to EA.

And that's the real problem here. Sure, BioWare screwed up on this one, but most of the problems people are mentioning here can be attributed to EA. If BioWare had all the time they needed, ME3 I'm sure would have been much better. EA has killed or severely damaged some of my favorite series.

That's what you get for selling your soul to EA.

what if they are trying to preserve their souls and sound their complaint against EA?
DA2 is absolutely a joke to all the games BioWare ever created.Why they accepted the term to make it in 1 year?
Now EC is free but takes their a lot of time to develop(maybe longer than LotSB).Comparing those DLCs in ME2,although they may lose sellings of future DLCs with our blaming,it still an unusual guesture.
They are smart people,unlike those shooting guys,probably they are ploting something,
Just a radical speculation.

[J RoD824]

General Skidog wrote...

J RoD824 wrote...

Pwillig wrote...

Quite simply, I don't trust them anymore and it will take years to regain that if they make quality releases, which is impossible due to EA.

And that's the real problem here. Sure, BioWare screwed up on this one, but most of the problems people are mentioning here can be attributed to EA. If BioWare had all the time they needed, ME3 I'm sure would have been much better. EA has killed or severely damaged some of my favorite series.

That's what you get for selling your soul to EA.

EA bought out VG Holdings Corp., which BioWare was under at the time. BioWare had no say about the deal whatsoever.

[sth88]

1. I don't particularly mind the fact that From Ashes was Day 1 DLC, although I think it was too expensive for the amount of content it provided. I purchased the CE for the record.

2. Multiplayer is decent. The core mechanics are fun, and even though there's only one mode, there's enough variety within that mode to satisfy me most of the time. Unfortunately the in-game store is frustrating, and there need to be a lot more maps in order to make up for the fact that there is only one game mode.

3. The single-player campaign (excluding the ending) is solid and a lot of fun. There are some very powerful, emotional scenes with beloved characters,and the story gives a sense of desperation and loss in the war while maintaining a sliver of hope that the Reapers can in fact be defeated. The combat is quite enjoyable, and a good evolution of the system used in ME2. I also appreciated the change they made to the moral alignment system that allows people to play paragade without being locked out of lots of dialogue choices. There are some cracks in the SP, though; the fact that there is no middle option is disappointing, and there are an overabundance of fetch quests. Furthermore, some of the major decisions you made in previous games are robbed of some of their weight; the fake rachni queen is a good example of this.

4. I hate the ending with every fiber of my being. It creates huge plot holes, rendering major plot points from previous games completely nonsensical. It betrays major themes of the series, like hope, triumph in the face of overwhelming odds, and the legitimacy of synthetic life. It shows characters like Shepard and Joker acting completely out of character. It's extremely vague in its explanation of what happens to the galaxy in the aftermath of the war. It does things that the developers said before the release of the game would not happen (such as railroading every player, regardless of choices made, into the same A, B, C endings). It tarnishes the replayability of all three games for me, and makes me wonder whether it would have been better if I had never discovered the Mass Effect franchise.

5. The unreleased Extended Cut sounds like a pile of garbage and a waste of everyone's time. The ending is fundamentally broken and needs to be completely replaced, but Bioware has stated that they are sticking with their "artistic vision" and not changing the ending at all. They are going to tack on extra scenes and dialogue in an attempt to plug some of the plot holes, but it doesn't sound like they are going to be rectifying the fact that they betrayed the major themes of the trilogy that people loved. It will be about as effective as sticking a clump of band-aids over a life-threating shotgun wound.

Modifié par sth88, 14 mai 2012 - 07:41 .

[jokey javik]

I believed bio ware to be the greatest story driven game play producer then this happened

" you get to go back to Noveria" no dialogue just shooting Cerberus soldiers may as well have played fire base white instead.

They needed one more year at least to make me3 be great but we get a short campaign with less squadmates no mako even though they are alliance standard issue and javik cost 800 ms points for some reason and they made eden prime look like the red headed step child of the eden prime in me1 not even any floating gas fuana or fuana in general in me3.

kirrahe had a face transplant that looked so much worse then he had looked before.

No decent galaxy exploring side missions that weren't cameos.

there is so much more without even hitting the ending.

to be honest I would not mind if they redid mass effect 3 entirely it did the trilogy no justice.

[Allen Spellwaver]

sth88 wrote...

1. I don't particularly the fact that From Ashes was Day 1 DLC, although I think it was too expensive for the amount of content it provided. I purchased the CE for the record.

2. Multiplayer is decent. The core mechanics are fun, and even though there's only one mode, there's enough variety within that mode to satisfy me most of the time. Unfortunately the in-game store is frustrating, and there need to be a lot more maps in order to make up for the fact that there is only one game mode.

3. The single-player campaign (excluding the ending) is solid and a lot of fun. There are some very powerful, emotional scenes with beloved characters,and the story gives a sense of desperation and loss in the war while maintaining a sliver of hope that the Reapers can in fact be defeated. The combat is quite enjoyable, and a good evolution of the system used in ME2. I also appreciated the change they made to the moral alignment system that allows people to play paragade without being locked out of lots of dialogue choices. There are some cracks in the SP, though; the fact that there is no middle option is disappointing, and there are an overabundance of fetch quests. Furthermore, some of the major decisions you made in previous games are robbed of some of their weight; the fake rachni queen is a good example of this.

4. I hate the ending with every fiber of my being. It creates huge plot holes, rendering major plot points from previous games completely nonsensical. It betrays major themes of the series, like hope, triumph in the face of overwhelming odds, and the legitimacy of synthetic life. It shows characters like Shepard and Joker acting completely out of character. It's extremely vague in its explanation of what happens to the galaxy in the aftermath of the war. It does things that the developers said before the release of the game would not happen (such as railroading every player, regardless of choices made, into the same A, B, C endings). It tarnishes the replayability of all three games for me, and makes me wonder whether it would have been better if I had never discovered the Mass Effect franchise.

5. The unreleased Extended Cut sounds like a pile of garbage and a waste of everyone's time. The ending is fundamentally broken and needs to be completely replaced, but Bioware has stated that they are sticking with their "artistic vision" and not changing the ending at all. They are going to tack on extra scenes and dialogue in an attempt to plug some of the plot holes, but it doesn't sound like they are going to be rectifying the fact that they betrayed the major themes of the trilogy that people loved. It will be about as effective as sticking a clump of band-aids over a life-threating shotgun wound.

There is no way to be disappointed on something that doesn't exist.

[Allen Spellwaver]

Sion1138 wrote...

I am not necessarily angry at them anymore, the old BioWare is dead and they've moved on to something different. As much as they would have me believe otherwise (or not), it's blatantly obvious. I don't like it but there's nothing to be done and I can't blame them for doing what they think is best.

There's still Bethesda.

bethesda？Are you serious?

[Jenrais]

Allen Spellwaver wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

I am not necessarily angry at them anymore, the old BioWare is dead and they've moved on to something different. As much as they would have me believe otherwise (or not), it's blatantly obvious. I don't like it but there's nothing to be done and I can't blame them for doing what they think is best.

There's still Bethesda.

bethesda？Are you serious?

What in gods name is the problem people have with Bethesda.

It's not like they charge you day One dlc or  repeat the same area a trillion times.

Or make an ending a monkey could have made better

[KotorEffect3]

Ok this crap where people are acting like ME 3 was a bad game has to stop. ME 3 is in fact a damn good game even if you didn't like the ending. And before some negativity nancy tries to bring up other aspects of the game those aren't enough to drag the game down, you suck to whoever is going to say that.