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#126
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Jenrais wrote...

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

TL;DR: Day 1 DLC is fine, get over it. Multi-player is good but should be divorced from single-player. Campaign was amazing and truly moving. Ending was bad, but everyone screws up sometimes. Extended cut is a great gesture and makes me like Bioware a lot.



Because this was the first time Bioware screwed up sarcasm sarcasm


I don't see how that is a relevant point to anything I said. Spielberg has made more than one dud, but I still call him a great director.

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I don't have faith that they can make the same type of games that they made their name with. Not because they can't, but I don't think they'll take the needed time.

Two consecutive games have been rushed out. Complacency has taken over, they're living on their name and not the quality of their games now.

It's like when a mom & pop store becomes a chain and loses all the little things that made it stand out.

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
Shameless money grab, but at the same time if you know your audience, good business.

- Multiplayer
Don't play it.  Don't care as long as it doesn't take away from the SP experience.  Unfortunately in ME3 it did.  MP should have no link to the SP at all.  Tying the EMS to was absolutely ridiculous.

- Single player campaign
Started out bad in the prologue, the whole idea of "we've had scientists here for 30 years but just now we found these plans for a superweapon that can defeat the reapers, just in time." I found ridiculous.  The game peaked in the middle and then went back downhill after Thessia.

- ...the ending
Complete mess, I still wonder how they fumbled this badly.

- The unreleased Extended Cut

Not interested, the first time you play agame is always the best, especially when anticipating how a 5 year, 3 game trilogy is going to end for your character.  Can't get that moment back, can't act like the original ending didn't happen.

Modifié par Aaleel, 14 mai 2012 - 11:47 .


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Jamie9 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has been a huge event in BioWare's history. Arguably one of their most anticipated games since their inception, nobody could have foreseen what ended up happening.

I'll get to the point: What is your opinion on BioWare as of now?

How do you feel about:

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
- Multiplayer
- Single player campaign
- ...the ending
- The unreleased Extended Cut


Took 'em off my Pre-Order list and put them firmly into my "wait until reviews come out" list.

The former is now limited to "Valve" since Blizzard can't see beyod WoW for their inspiration.

The Day 1 DLC thing only bothers me if it was obvious it should be included in the game. After YouTubing all of Javik's material, I'm sort of torn on that. His dialogue injects some seriously interesting lore, but all he added was one more side-mission.

The Single Player campaign is par for the course. Some bits are extremely good (Tuchanka and Rannoch being the best, like the Suicide Mission and LotSB, or Ilos and Noveria), and some bits make me want to jam my finger into a wall socket. Most notably the upteen number of fetch-quests which don't serve any purpose at all aside from raising your EMS. No interesting missions specifically for them (you just happen to find them while on other missions), and it's not even difficult. Fly in, scan, play tag with the Reapers, run out.

The ending is a mess. It will always be a mess. They just plain done fudged up on that one, which is a pity.

I'm expecting the EC to be little more than a few text messages and maybe some cutscenes if we're lucky. I doubt it will change that much, and it certainly won't 'fix' much.

It's BioWare's reaction to the fan's reaction that really put me off. BioWare isn't famous for its relations department, but they always had an air of humble sensibility. They didn't apologize if they thought they were right. The whole "it's art" defense is one of the most idiotic defenses I've heard in a long time, and the whole debachle will go down as "How Not To Respond To Your Mistakes 101".

The Origins stuff is just annoying, even on the Xbox 360. Over my last play through, my EMS has actually been 0% several times because EA's servers didn't respond and timed out.

I'd say the series peaked in pure "awesomitude" at Ilos. That was bloody epic, and everything from meeting Vigil to the run to the Conduit played agonizingly good. Then LotSB probably matched the same level of sheer glee I had at playing it. The shuttle chase, the Shadowbroker's ship, the Paragon-Interrup Liara kiss complete with sparks in the background... those two missions alone are worth the price of entry.

Tuchanka and Rannoch are pretty close, with Tuchanka taking the lead for me, but they come too soon. The excitement I got from them didn't sustain me until Earth.

Speaking of which, Earth was completely forgettable. No vehicle sections, no bringing down Reapers with the help of the fleet, no gimmicks to break up the "fight - talk - speech - fight - talk - speech" pattern. There weren't even any surprise events. The Reapers never beamed through a building while Anderson was having tea with Shepard so they had to fight or run, I never lost any teammates (maybe?), nothing happens. There isn't any tension beyond the tension we're told we should feel about Earth. I keep thinking how kick ass it would be if I got to fly the Normandy around the battlefield during the fleet's arrival and take down one of the smaller Reapers, or how much I would've squeeled with glee if ALL of my companions stood with me for Hammer and I got to choose who did what like they did in ME2.

Nope. None o' that, and I mourn those potential moments because we have the ending we do.

So much potential they don't tap, and I know it's partly due to EA putting pressure on the team to release, so I sacrifice BioWare to prove that I can't support what EA's done.

#129
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Jamie9 wrote...

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes


Since an actual price increase is impossible, I strongly support alternative revenue streams like DLC. The only way to get AAA games for more niche markets is to either up the audience or the cost, and upping the audience leads to casual,watered down gameplay.

- Multiplayer


I don't play MP. No one will manage to convince me it did not steal SP resources. And it's currently impossible to get Shepard lives without it.

- Single player campaign


I thought it was really fun, pre Priority Earth. Then the Catalyst happened. ME was never about good plots, but damn if it didn't make you feel like an epic hero.

- ...the ending


:sick:

- The unreleased Extended Cut


We will all die in a deluge of nerdrage as nothing is changed.

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Neverwinter Night fans will remember Bioware knows how to make a good RPG they seem to have forgotten how to do this recently.

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OMG! Biowqare made Kotor and Baulder, they can write amazing dialouge, story driven RPGS that aren't cliche and also fun!

After ME2: Eh, Bioware, ME2 was...eh. Im sure you can do better.

After ME3/Day one DLC on disk/Ending: Yeah, No more Bioware ever.

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varteral6162 wrote...

Neverwinter Night fans will remember Bioware knows how to make a good RPG they seem to have forgotten how to do this recently.


I'm pretty sure Neverwinter fans remember the joke of an OC that game shipped with.

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SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

I'll sum it up like this, they turned me from this Fry:

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sorry to say...but yes

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In Exile wrote...

varteral6162 wrote...

Neverwinter Night fans will remember Bioware knows how to make a good RPG they seem to have forgotten how to do this recently.


I'm pretty sure Neverwinter fans remember the joke of an OC that game shipped with.


It had a campaign? I just thought it came pre-installed with one of tech demos from E3...

;-)


To be fair, they reclaimed themselves with the expansions.

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Skeptical Mode...Activate!!!

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In Exile wrote...

varteral6162 wrote...

Neverwinter Night fans will remember Bioware knows how to make a good RPG they seem to have forgotten how to do this recently.


I'm pretty sure Neverwinter fans remember the joke of an OC that game shipped with.


Man, I don't wanna say the vanilla game was trash but....

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Aaleel wrote...

I don't have faith that they can make the same type of games that they made their name with. Not because they can't, but I don't think they'll take the needed time.

Two consecutive games have been rushed out. Complacency has taken over, they're living on their name and not the quality of their games now.

It's like when a mom & pop store becomes a chain and loses all the little things that made it stand out.

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
Shameless money grab, but at the same time if you know your audience, good business.

- Multiplayer
Don't play it.  Don't care as long as it doesn't take away from the SP experience.  Unfortunately in ME3 it did.  MP should have no link to the SP at all.  Tying the EMS to was absolutely ridiculous.

- Single player campaign
Started out bad in the prologue, the whole idea of "we've had scientists here for 30 years but just now we found these plans for a superweapon that can defeat the reapers, just in time." I found ridiculous.  The game peaked in the middle and then went back downhill after Thessia.

- ...the ending
Complete mess, I still wonder how they fumbled this badly.

- The unreleased Extended Cut

Not interested, the first time you play agame is always the best, especially when anticipating how a 5 year, 3 game trilogy is going to end for your character.  Can't get that moment back, can't act like the original ending didn't happen.


This

Went from a must have to wth are they thinking ..oh thats right $$$$$

#139
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The last couple years have been really damaging to my opinion of BioWare.

I'll still consider the games they make, but I care much less about them overall, and a game that doesn't come from the Dragon Age team actually has to compete now to get me to pay full retail price.

I guess we'll see what the future brings.

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Mcfly616 wrote...

Long story, short......Bioware went from first to last on my favorite game developers


Bioware could do no wrong in my eyes....


But then the ridiculously vague and out of place ending

And the way they handled it(no comment, no explanation.....just artistic integrity)

And then, the derogatory statements about and towards the fans....straight from BW employees....

Pre-release false statements about what the game entails, and post-release lies



Oh.....and just to put the cherry on top:

"We'll have discussions about the ending when more people have had a chance to finish the game"....

That statement was made literally 2 months ago....pretty sure the majority has had the chance to beat it....

My biggest pet peave is that people do what they say they're gonna do.....well Bioware did the exact opposite, and continued to do so after the release of the game.....FAIL


This exactly!!! Well said

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I have really mixed feelings. In general I have really enjoyed their games, but ME3 has definitely made me reconsider.

1. Day 1 DLC- No problem with a DLC on the first day, except you really need this one to get a full understanding of things. I feel DLCs should be optional and enhance the game not define it.

2. MP- I don't have anything against it, except that they tied to the SP game. I personally don't enjoy but I don't care if other people do. I just don't see why I have to play it to get the "best" ending. And this is where I have lost respect for Bioware. They will not properly address the issue. First they ignored it, then they made one tweet saying their looking in to it, and then they ignored it again. They need to admit that they made a mistake and fix it.

3. SP- I liked some part and didn't like others. Nothing surprising there. Overall is was okay.

4. Ending- Don't like. If they had ended it after Anderson and TIM I would have been okay. But what we got just doesn't work.

5. EC- Reserving judgement. I am not impressed that Bioware decided to "clarify" thing for us because they view us as being too stupid to get their artistic vision. At least that's how their statement came across. If that is not what they meant they need a better PR department.

Modifié par historybrat, 15 mai 2012 - 12:30 .


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Double post. Sorry

Modifié par historybrat, 15 mai 2012 - 12:28 .


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I went from getting all my friends to play bioware games because I was such a fanboy to telling all my friends to never touch bioware games again.

From the greatness of ME1 and DAO to the decline in DAA, ME2, DA2 and now ME3 and its handling of it, I'm done pre-ordering anything that has bioware on it. I may still play their stuff, but I'm waiting for price drops and for gamer reviews, since ME3 has shown me how much the gaming industry stroke each other with kick backs.

So yes, my opinion of bioware has change irreversibly.

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It didn't change my opinion at all.
It just confirmed it.

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As of now, my opinion of BioWare is that they no longer make games I want to be involved with, nor do I want to reward them for putting out material below their par. Thus, I will no longer be purchasing their games, DLC, or associated merchandise.

Re: From Ashes, I'm a touch on the negative side of ambivalent. Day 1 DLC isn't inherently bad, but they way this particular one was done leaves a bad taste in my mouth, between the amount of content already on the disc and how much Javik adds to the game (contrast with Zaeed/Kasumi, whose missions were neat but really didn't [IIRC] have nay real impact on the rest of the game).

Re: Multiplayer: I was very skeptical, but in the end it's turned out to be entertaining. The black mark here is the repeated statements by BioWare that you wouldn't need to do anything other than the SP campaign to get "the best" ending, but you cannot access all the endings without doing MP or the other extra-game material. Dishonest at best.

Re: Single-player campaign: overall quite entertaining. WIth hindsight, though, I can see that it's quite linear, and some choices don't seem to make sense (like the Rachni are present whether you saved them or not). Many good emotional moments. A few other issues (underuse of charm/intimidate, for one).

Re: the ending: Makes our previous choices irrelevant. Makes a side theme of ME (synthetics vs. organics) into the main theme. No epilogue. No denouement. No character involvement. Just completely inappropriate and tone-deaf. Only aggravated by BioWare's responses since then - no one's tried to defend it with anything other than "artistic integrity", "we were happy with it", etc. Wouldn't have been as bad in a series that hadn't made such a point of player choice and consequence.

Re: Extended Cut: Based on the FAQ, it's not going to improve my opinion of the ending at all. Based upon the contradictory tweets by team members, I'm unsure. Based upon the paraphrases of an informal fan interview at a non-BioWare event (why has there been no official interview or discussion released?), I'm more confused. Based on what I know BioWare is capable of, I'm hanging around for a while, although I'm skeptical. If it doesn't bring the ending up to my expectations, then I refer you to my initial statement of my feelings about BioWare.

Or, more succinctly: ME3 wasn't great, although it was good with great moments. BioWare used to have my absolute trust - even if I didn't like a game, I could tell it was a good game, just not one for me. Now? No. No more. I am, as always, open to persuasion, but they don't seem interested in persuading me and keeping my business. So I'll be sure to not give it to them, and to make sure to discuss their behavior with my friends who are interested in purchasing their merchandise.

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Jamie9 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has been a huge event in BioWare's history. Arguably one of their most anticipated games since their inception, nobody could have foreseen what ended up happening.

I'll get to the point: What is your opinion on BioWare as of now?

How do you feel about:

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
- Multiplayer
- Single player campaign
- ...the ending
- The unreleased Extended Cut


my opinion of bioware as of now - proceed with caution.  no more automatic preorder.

opinion on "From Ashes" ?  should have been a part of game instead of being sold separately.  selling it separately if the game is purchased used?  is acceptable.
multiplayer.  best case scenarion - shoudln't have existed at all.  at a minimum - should affect single player in any way, shape, or form.
single player campain... where do I begin.  too many issues, rushed, too streamlined, too much auto dialogue, too much handwaving, too much "rule of cool" making characters look like incompetend idiots, cheese worthy of being candidate for mystery theater 3000.
the ending - the straw that broke the camel's back.
extended cut? - no set opinion until i play through it.  but not holding my breath for something amazing either.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 15 mai 2012 - 12:49 .


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Never again.First they sell me a broken game in Dragon Age 2.I had to quit playing it for several months until they solved the slowdown problem.In addition, countless bugs and glitches that turned me into an unwilling beta tester should have served as a warning.
And then Mass Effect 3.The preorder bonus was essentially useless.Then first day dlc that should have been an original part of the game and was designed to be integral to the full narrative.Then the lies regarding multiplayer.I don't play mp,never have, never will.That's another betrayal..Finally the ending which was awful.I own 9 Bioware games.I'm not a newcomer but never again will I preorder a Bioware game.Nor will I pay full price I will let several months pass by before forking over my hard earned cash.
And unlike the many fools, who have blinded themselves to the obvious,I don;t blame EA.It wasn't EA that designed the first day dlc when most of it was on the disc .EA didn't make me believe that I didn't have to play multiplayer in order to have Shepherd survive.EA didn't make the absurd endings.EA didn't give me crap preorder armor and the lousy argus rifle.And EA doesnt have me on standby for months waiting to see if they can rescue the endings from the debacle Bioware created.No more Bioware.Now YOU have to show Me I should spend my money on your products..

Modifié par dancarrero, 15 mai 2012 - 01:06 .


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I used to hold Bioware in such high regard. Now they disgust me.

And there's only one reason for this: the unbelievable arrogance they have shown over the last few months and the insults they have thrown at us. I'm only lurking to see how much lower than can go. I will lurk until the EC is out, watch it on Youtube, maybe keep an eye on Dragon Age 3 to see where they take the story. But that's it. I'm done being their customer.

Modifié par JL81, 15 mai 2012 - 01:10 .


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JL81 wrote...

I used to hold Bioware in such high regard. Now they disgust me.

And there's only one reason for this: the unbelievable arrogance they have shown over the last few months and the insults they have thrown at us. I'm only lurking to see how much lower than can go. I will lurk until the EC is out, watch it on Youtube, maybe keep an eye on Dragon Age 3 to see where they take the story. But that's it. I'm done being their customer.



I fail to see how they have "insulted" anybody.

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It hasn't changed my opinion of bioware, well actually it has just cemented my view that they're extremely talented in many ways, but it has changed my opinion of the industry they're a part of and symbolize. the ending message, "buy more dlc" couldn't have been more contrived, and I could not imagine something like that being placed at the end of ME1, or DAO for example. Corporate culture has influenced the game.