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[sistersafetypin]

Before ME3, when I thought about Bioware I got starry eyed and turned into a fangirl. Post ME3, the day 1 DLC [I had the CE ed, but still], the ending and the way the company has handled the fanbase during all this.....

Well, I actively encourage my friends to not buy Bioware or EA games

[paul165]

My opinion of Bioware is tainted not so much by the game (I have issues with significant areas of the game but Rannoch and Tuchanka would mean I would forgive them a lot - except you know it is all pointless with the ending).

However had I just had issues with the game I would have shrugged and happily ordered DA3 - which is saying something considering the issues DA2 had. The problem - what has made me definately ditch Generals and pre-ordering DA3 is the interaction with the consumers ie:

A) make knowingly false statements prior to release
get called on them
C) proceed to insult and belittle your consumers and ignore the issues.
D) continue to make false statements - the FAQ still states you can obtain all endings through SP where we all know you can't and have pointed it out to Bioware several times.

Most of the rest I could forgive - or at least forget but the contempt they show is not something I'm willing to financially support.

So yes my opinion of Bioware has changed as I can no longer trust any statement they make and if you can't trust the company you don't buy their stuff. Rather confused they don't get this basic principle of business - being an a**hole is fine providing you don't lie about it.

[Njald]

Yes. I thought they could manage despite the EA ownership. 
DA2, SWTOR and ME3 each took me one step further to realizing that the people creating games to be played and loved are no longer calling any shots. 
 
Bioware have no brandname worth to me at the moment. I will view any further products as sceptical as I view movie-licence games.

[selphiegirl]

I feel insulted and angry still.
From the lies we heard in every friggin' interview. Buying the Collector's Edition just to find out the only things I got that no one else would get was a patch, a robot dog that does nothing and an N7 hoodie for my Shep to wear. Then, there were the plot holes, that can only be explained as "space magic".
Being told my choices would matter, the reason why I have, god only knows, so many playthroughs of ME1 and ME2. Sweated over stupid little choices from the Rachni Queen to Kasumi and her boyfriends gray box, just to find out no, it never mattered.
The endings...good god...where the f*** were these so called "17 endings"? I got an ending and it was colored red, then blue and green.
Then, it was BioWare's response to the negative reaction the game got for it's ending. Pretty much saying that they thought "we were smarter than this and that we should've figured it out, you stupid entitled whiners." Yes, I'm happy to be told I am feeble minded because I didn't understand what the hell just happened, unless it is IT, but you writers are super cool and want us to "speculate" on this.
Maybe it was the plot holes and nothing that was said in the last ten minutes making any sense. Maybe it was Joker running away like a **** and I don't know why he is. Why is EDI alive and how the hell did Kaidan get on the ship?
It's been over two months and I am still mad with them and how things were handled and I don't trust them anymore.

[TiminatorT2000]

RukiaKuchki wrote... 

Second hand games do not make money for the developers. It may generate publicity, but not money. If money does not go back to developers, developers cut staff/resources and reduce output. Not so difficult to understand is it? If the game industry is doing so great, why are game sales the lowest in a decade? Why are so many studios being closed? Why have so many jobs been lost recently at Sega, THQ, Zipper to name but a few? Some companies are obviously making money, but many are failing terribly. Times are not good. Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.

 
-Publicity can generate money through actual sales, the fact you can sell your games means a lower barrier to entry which can generate sales.(I know I'm more willing to put 60$ down on a "risky" game when I know I could sell it later)

-Studios are being closed, and lower games sales are due to recession.Relative to other industries the gaming buisness is doing good.

RukiaKuchki wrote...  



You can hide behind semantics, but it is still theft. 

  

Theft is the removal  of a physical object from the owner, when stolen the orginal is removed,in piracy it is not. By basic defintions piracy is not theft, if you want you want you can call it theft but at the very least you have to admit it is different then normal theft.

RukiaKuchki wrote...  
You are just being wilfully silly to make a non-point. You do not need any of the additional content to have a complete experience. If you wish to extend your experience, then you have to pay for it. Like it or not, this is where gaming is going.

Nowhere in my text did it say you have no right to complain. But, if you choose to complain in a public forum, expect people in that public forum to call you out on it for being a silly billy.

  

-It's not nessacarily silly,  the Javic dlc is arguably not "additional content" it changes major parts of the game like the Liara scenes after Thessia.And it's pretty obvious they at least planned it to be part of the main game at the beginning(even if they didn't have the time because EA rushed them).

-Ok I'm fine with that, I'm just irrtated at people who act like complaining about dlc is somthing we shouldn't be allowed to do or somthing.

RukiaKuchki wrote...  

You are one of many that persists to (knowingly) misinterpret the concept of entitlement. Please refer to a dictionary for a definition and examples. Using the MacDonalds analogy, expecting my burger to be ready in 5 minutes is not entitlement - it is expectation. However, if I wanted an additional burger between those buns - and perhaps a slice of bacon - I would have to pay for it. I shouldn't get it for free just because it's sitting there waiting on the hotplate.

Entitlement with respect to social welfare, education and medical care are not comparable to entitlement with downloadable game content. Silly, silly comparison. Social welfare, education and medical care are not luxury items. They are necessities that you are fortunate enough to have access to. Games are luxury items. You do not need them, and you have no automatic right to have access to them.

  

-Who's arguing semantics now But ok I'll play your game
, first results on google.

en·ti·tle·ment[/i]/enˈtītlmənt/Noun:The fact of having a right to something.The amount to which a person has a right.Synonyms:right - title - warrant




Seems pretty applicable to my Mcdonalds to me."You feel the right to have ketchup included with you burger?Your just entitled.That's not how the world works!"


-The only reason these aren't considered Luxury's is because of entitlement

.Don't have money to pay for a doctor? Too bad live with your pancreatic cancer,that's how the world works.

Can't buy food for pay rent ?Too bad live under a bridge and go dumpster diving,that's how the world works.

Parent's can't afford basic education?Too bad teach yourself, that's how the world works.

At some points in history Healthcare,Food/Shelter,Education were all considered luxury's, not until entitled people demanded them as basic human rights did the first world receive them.

Modifié par TiminatorT2000, 16 mai 2012 - 02:50 .

[Kendar Fleetfoot]

selphiegirl wrote...

I feel insulted and angry still.
From the lies we heard in every friggin' interview. Buying the Collector's Edition just to find out the only things I got that no one else would get was a patch, a robot dog that does nothing and an N7 hoodie for my Shep to wear. Then, there were the plot holes, that can only be explained as "space magic".
Being told my choices would matter, the reason why I have, god only knows, so many playthroughs of ME1 and ME2. Sweated over stupid little choices from the Rachni Queen to Kasumi and her boyfriends gray box, just to find out no, it never mattered.
The endings...good god...where the f*** were these so called "17 endings"? I got an ending and it was colored red, then blue and green.
Then, it was BioWare's response to the negative reaction the game got for it's ending. Pretty much saying that they thought "we were smarter than this and that we should've figured it out, you stupid entitled whiners." Yes, I'm happy to be told I am feeble minded because I didn't understand what the hell just happened, unless it is IT, but you writers are super cool and want us to "speculate" on this.
Maybe it was the plot holes and nothing that was said in the last ten minutes making any sense. Maybe it was Joker running away like a **** and I don't know why he is. Why is EDI alive and how the hell did Kaidan get on the ship?
It's been over two months and I am still mad with them and how things were handled and I don't trust them anymore.

Well said, this is a perfect summation of my own feelings

[wombat_stalker]

Day 1 paid DLC was bad, but not deal breaking.
Character import being broken was bad, but not deal breaking.
Ending fiasco was bad, but not deal breaking.

But when you put these three bad things, all relating to a different aspect of a product, in the SAME product... yeah. Didn't walk away from this with a high opinion of Bioware.

[Kendar Fleetfoot]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I'll get to the point: What is your opinion on BioWare as of now?

Overall still reasonably positive. But some things are troubling me. Not enough that I'll ignore their future games, but I might have to consider whether I preorder or wait for reviews.

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
Blatantly ripped from the main game to get a bit more money from customers. I posted more in detail about this in another thread recently, but in my opinion, Javik is not an optional character. His insight into Prothean history and culture is essential.

- Multiplayer
I have not played it, on principle. The fact that it is linked to singleplayer and affects the content we can see in singleplayer disgusts me. Bioware's lack of REAL information (eg, give us more details than "we're investigating") about what they're doing on this issue is disrespectful. I am worried about how this "feature" will be implemented in future games.

- Single player campaign (first 99%)
Pretty much everything I hoped for. Yes there were some minor issues, but I can overlook them because no game is perfect. But the story and characters were epic and emotional, the combat was intense and cinematic. It was almost the perfect conclusion to my favourite game series.

- ...the ending
Horrible. We've all discussed this to death several times over already, but ... Introducing a new character that changes the entire plot with 5 minutes to go, and then not really explaining anything properly, is just bad writing. Not giving any closure to the companions that we've adventured with for 80+ hours is disappointing. There were huge plot holes regarding the Normandy and the Relays. Our war assets didn't really count for anything.

The most confusing thing is how Bioware could stumble so badly so near the end. Logically you'd think that either they'd have nailed those last few minutes as well, or the entire game would have been bad/average. Its almost like they outsourced the ending to a different company that never played Mass Effect before.

- The unreleased Extended Cut[
I remain hopeful that this will fix my concerns. However my concerns are different from some other people's concerns. For example I don't actually mind the 3 choices we got. The cinematics should have been different. But I'm okay with the idea behind destroy/control/synthesis. I also don't have my heart set on the IT. I would be pleased if they did it (because it would automatically erase all my concerns as if they never happened in a way that makes sense with Mass Effect lore) but I don't honestly believe it was planned. So I expect that whatever actually happens with the EC, there will still be a firestorm on the forums because they can't please everyone.

Well said

[Kendar Fleetfoot]

I didn't play ME1 till late 2008 and only because I wanted to play ME2 on the recommendation of a friend. I had never been a sci fi game player but had played all the Bioware games in the Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights and Baldurs Gate series. I loved ME1 even though I sucked at combat for the first play through and I raced on to ME2 which I also thought was great. I then played DA:O and thought it was absolutely brilliant and bought DA2 immediately upon release and this was my first disappointment from Bioware.

What was great was the dev's owned the issues and in the DLC addressed some of it.

To say I couldn't wait for ME3 is a complete understatement EB stuffed up my delivery and I can tell you there were some pretty pissed off words exchanged but nothing compared to the anger and frustration at the games ending.

ME3 I think as has been stated by many is a 95% perfect game and deserving of its 75 or whatever perfect score reviews however the ending again as has been stated by others is just so frustrating for me having invested so much emotionally into charachters I genuinely cared about especially my myriad of Shepard's.

Where am I going with this?? I have been a loyal Bioware fan since BG but to include an ending like that, to give so little attention to LI's in ME3 (except maybe Tali), to waste time on and expect me to play Multiplayer and to then call me a whiner for not liking their ending and being vocal about it, that seriously lowered my view of Bioware. The very same company that actively encourages its fan base to be vocal belittling people who genuinely care enough abut their games to voice their opinions!!!! Not cool man.

I will still look forward to DA3 as I hope/believe that the dev's their genuinely learnt from DA2 however ME3 + I will be sitting on the sidelines and not pre-ordering which I have done for every other Bioware game since that was possible.

[Lookout1390]

That they have completely surrendered all power to EA, and they are but a shell of what they used to be.

[The Milky Waver]

*sees Bioware's name during ME2*
http://t1.gstatic.co...x3o7f7UlivC2row


*sees Bioware's name after ME3 endings*
http://t0.gstatic.co...Pe1LrEgp7K5BYnf

[robertm2]

Bioware has gone from my most loved developer to nothing but a distant memory that i might buy used games from now and again.

[Varus Praetor]

Jamie9 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has been a huge event in BioWare's history. Arguably one of their most anticipated games since their inception, nobody could have foreseen what ended up happening.

I'll get to the point: What is your opinion on BioWare as of now?

How do you feel about:

- Day 1 DLC: From Ashes
- Multiplayer
- Single player campaign
- ...the ending
- The unreleased Extended Cut

Disagree strongly.  ANYONE who saw the ending prior to release should have been able to forsee what happened.  Either feedback was discouraged or not solicited, or feedback was ignored, but no one will ever convince me that everyone at BW watched starbrat contradict central themes to the entire trilogy and go "wow, that's good stuff.  The fans are going to love this!"

Having said all that, yes, my opinion of BW has dropped considerably since DA2.  Whether this is complely the influence of EA or not is irrelevant.  BW as the property of EA is reality.  The only way out is for BW to fall into such disgrace that they are disolved completely.  Hopefully that doesn't happen.

[StevenG_CT]

Honestly when I think of Bioware today I can't help but think of what happened to Sierra Entertainment / Sierra On-Line in the late 90's. Sierra also had a long legacy of excellent games. Then they were bought out by an investment company. Almost immediately the quality of their games decreased dramatically. After the buyout several beloved franchises were either killed off (Space Quest), reduced to cash-grab shovelware (Leisure Suit Larry), or had installments pushed out the door only partly finished (King's Quest, Quest for Glory).

Seems like something similar is happening at Bioware these days. Let's hope that things progress better in Bioware's case as everyone on the development side of Sierra ultimately got layed-off after CUC finished strangling the life out of the company.

[Dominator24]

The ME3 as a whole wasn't a bad game BUT day 1 dlc prothean, if you don't play multi you won't see Shepard lives scene AND THE ENDING.
After DA2 now this for me means that Bioware from preorder/pre-purchase blind company became
ANY other company, no more preorders from me. Now they have to work if they want to sell anything to me.