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[KnightofPhoenix]

Nialos wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ouch, poor girl.
Or maybe the Maker decided to take another bride, you never know.

Well. At least he's connecting with his people... right?

Yea of course. Only that they always end up being females, with pretty voices. I think he has a voice fetish  

[Skellimancer]

Well at least one of the romancable characters actually cared about the player.

[Nialos]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nialos wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ouch, poor girl.
Or maybe the Maker decided to take another bride, you never know.

Well. At least he's connecting with his people... right?

Yea of course. Only that they always end up being females, with pretty voices. I think he has a voice fetish  

Ah, yes. It seems not even divine creators can truly be without fetishes. ...I wonder if Andraste was a redhead, too.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Skellimancer wrote...

Well at least one of the romancable characters actually cared about the player.

Morrigan cared, she just put her duty above her love.

[Skellimancer]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Well at least one of the romancable characters actually cared about the player.

Morrigan cared, she just put her duty above her love.

Duty? She didn't exactly go off to war.. she just used the player and threw him away when she got what she wanted.

[marshalleck]

Skellimancer wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Well at least one of the romancable characters actually cared about the player.

Morrigan cared, she just put her duty above her love.

Duty? She didn't exactly go off to war.. she just used the player and threw him away when she got what she wanted.

Nobody ever said duty has to be altruistic.

[PMorgan18]

Maybe its not sucide maybe the maker will raise the PC from the grave and maybe all of Leliana's vision are true.  That would be a way that boiware would allow "dead" characters be in the next game.

[The Angry One]

PMorgan18 wrote...

Maybe its not sucide maybe the maker will raise the PC from the grave and maybe all of Leliana's vision are true.  That would be a way that boiware would allow "dead" characters be in the next game.

Yes and maybe aliens from Zeta Reticuli kidnapped Leliana and plan to resurrect the PC with their positron reconsitutor 4000.

[PMorgan18]

The Angry One wrote...

PMorgan18 wrote...

Maybe its not sucide maybe the maker will raise the PC from the grave and maybe all of Leliana's vision are true.  That would be a way that bioware would allow "dead" characters be in the next game.

Yes and maybe aliens from Zeta Reticuli kidnapped Leliana and plan to resurrect the PC with their positron reconsitutor 4000.

That would be very bad.  You are resurrected but you don't have Leliana.

[Korva]

To each their own, but I honestly can't imagine how someone suffering from severe pain (be it psychological or physical) could be called romantic or beautiful. My warrior would want those she left behind to be happy and do something good with the lives she saved. Like Oghren:

"Oghren accepted a position as a general in the army of Ferelden, the first dwarf ever promoted so high, and eventually both sobered up and married. When his first daughter was born, Oghren held her in her arms and wept -- and named her after the friend who had changed his life so long ago."

THAT is beautiful, and moved me to happy tears. And I didn't even like Oghren much before that epilogue and his farewell at the city gates.

Regarding whether it's "plausible" Leliana would kill herself ... While I think many people could be brought to the brink of suicide, or beyond, in the wrong circumstances, it did surprise me. It's not like Leliana is a naive little flower, given her old life as a bard and what she went through after Marjolaine betrayed her. On the other hand, she is a very "romantic" person ... So I could see it happen, I guess.

Midnight Reyn wrote...

But I agree that any potential resurrection style rebirth like  'oh, hey look - your character was ressurected by the Maker' would not sit well with those who did choose the sacrific option, as it cheapens the choice and lessens the impact of the ending.

To say the least. Dead is dead, no cheaparse retcons or copouts. I loved the choice of the ultimate sacrifice, grim as it is, and nothing would be worse than having a future product start on the premise that this ending was never actually an option, or that the dead Warden suddenly did a Jesus and popped out of her fancy tomb at Weisshaupt as good as new.

Modifié par Korva, 09 décembre 2009 - 05:19 .

[GammaRayJim]

In one of my play throughs I let Marjolaine live and at the end Leliana decided to go back to Orlais to look for her to finish things. I did not romance her but I asked if she wanted me to come along to help she said no it was something she had to do for herself.

As for the suicide thing maybe the Maker just meant that they would be reunited when it was her time as many people of faith usually say to help ease the pain when we loose a loved one. Hers was just a definite promise from the Maker himself or just another of her delusions either way I am sure it brought her some comfort.

[Bullets McDeath]

It could be reference to suicide (never occured to me) or a possible ressurrection, I always took it to mean that she had one of her "visions" that shows the character at the Maker's side, instead of having his soul obliterated like Grey Wardens who kill the Archdemon are supposed to.

[Original182]

My first impression is that it's suicide. But the way it's worded leaves room for some form of resurrection. Or maybe some way for Leliana to "talk" to the Grey Warden's spirit, but no more.

[The Angry One]

I suppose it's fortunate that Leliana doesn't recieve visions where the Maker tells her to strap explosives to herself and run into the Denerim marketplace.

[Null]

Yeah I chose to die...leaving Leliana behind. Her ending made me a sad panda but I couldn't allow Alistair to throw himself at the Archdemon after all the work my character put forth to put him on the throne.



Ok well secretly I wanted to have tea and biscuits with the Maker.



Seriously though I'd rather have Leliana forget about the PC and move on with her life, she seems strong enough to do that...but your character must have made an extreme impression on her throughout the journey.

[ToJKa1]

I think that that "vision" of hers was just her mind playing tricks on her, telling herself a lie she wants to believe. Other than her sealing herself to the tomb of the Warden, there's no way for them to be together again. And that would be so way beyond the line of "creepy" it's not even funny.

[Varenus Luckmann]

The Angry One wrote...
I suppose it's fortunate that Leliana doesn't recieve visions where the Maker tells her to strap explosives to herself and run into the Denerim marketplace.

That's be so awesome.

On a more serious level, I really hoped that Dragon Age would've taken a wider step (or a step at all) away from our contemporary western morality and explored more amibigious realms. Even if it ended up including Qunari suicide bombers.

[Varenus Luckmann]

ToJKa1 wrote...
I think that that "vision" of hers was just her mind playing tricks on her, telling herself a lie she wants to believe. Other than her sealing herself to the tomb of the Warden, there's no way for them to be together again. And that would be so way beyond the line of "creepy" it's not even funny.

How do you know? Maybe there are both with the Maker, now? 

[Varenus Luckmann]

Korva wrote...

To each their own, but I honestly can't imagine how someone suffering from severe pain (be it psychological or physical) could be called romantic or beautiful. My warrior would want those she left behind to be happy and do something good with the lives she saved. Like Oghren:

"Oghren accepted a position as a general in the army of Ferelden, the first dwarf ever promoted so high, and eventually both sobered up and married. When his first daughter was born, Oghren held her in her arms and wept -- and named her after the friend who had changed his life so long ago."

THAT is beautiful, and moved me to happy tears. And I didn't even like Oghren much before that epilogue and his farewell at the city gates.

[...]

I loved that epilogue. I did find it somewhat unfitting, though, because me and Oghren were never close. At all.

[Null]

ToJKa1 wrote...

I think that that "vision" of hers was just her mind playing tricks on her, telling herself a lie she wants to believe. Other than her sealing herself to the tomb of the Warden, there's no way for them to be together again. And that would be so way beyond the line of "creepy" it's not even funny.

I don't find that creepy at all but I'm weird that way. I could see the Dog doing that though. Wonder what happened to him if you chose the sacrifice.

Modifié par Mueller86, 10 décembre 2009 - 12:15 .

[ToJKa1]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
How do you know? Maybe there are both with the Maker, now? 

That would be nice, but it is stated in the game that both the Archdemon's and the Grey Warden's souls get destroyed, which would make that impossible.

[Null]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
How do you know? Maybe there are both with the Maker, now? 

That would be nice, but it is stated in the game that both the Archdemon's and the Grey Warden's souls get destroyed, which would make that impossible.

Oh man, that makes it even sadder. I'm holding out hope that pieces of the Warden's soul didn't get destroyed and we can collect it in the sequel so he/she can get their final rest. Won't happen though.

[Dunhart]

Mueller86 wrote...

ToJKa1 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
How do you know? Maybe there are both with the Maker, now? 

That would be nice, but it is stated in the game that both the Archdemon's and the Grey Warden's souls get destroyed, which would make that impossible.

Oh man, that makes it even sadder. I'm holding out hope that pieces of the Warden's soul didn't get destroyed and we can collect it in the sequel so he/she can get their final rest. Won't happen though.

Speaking of which, how do the Gray Wardens know their souls are literally destroyed in such a way? 

[Curlain]

I think it's assumed but I'm not sure it's clearly stated, it's possible it just means said Grey Warden's death, rather then annihilation, who knows (mabye Leliana's right and she will be re-united with the Warden in the Fade). Then again, mabye not

[Korva]

I have no problems believing Leliana's first "vision" -- if not as a sign from the maker, then as a combination of two magnificent coincidences (Blight nightmare plus dead rosebush blooming). That post-sacrifice one does sound like the product of a grieving mind, though, especially if the bit about the Warden's soul being destroyed is true. However, Leliana would not know about that catch, since it's one of the big Grey Warden secrets.

Actually, how do the Wardens know? Thedas does seem to have ghosts of restless dead, but otherwise no proof one way or another about an afterlife. So it's not like they can take a census in the afterlife and see aha, Garahel and the other three Wardens (now four) who killed an archdemon ain't here so they must have been utterly destroyed.

And Dog has no epilogue at all. Given how he was my almost constant companion since the early moments of the origin, that was really sad.